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Its cool to see pictures of these frames and already one mocked up. Looks good guys cant wait to post my pictures. Hope TL is pulling strings and getting dave his frames
If I may ask, how many frames did retrodave order? We all knew, because TL posted it on here, that the first 50 were scheduled to arrive this week, with the remaining to arrrive about a month later. Did everyone think retrodave was gonna get ALL of that first 50? Half? Quarter?
I think it's only fair that if the allotment is 5 per shop (my SE dealer only ordered 3), that those shops that ordered early get first shot at their 5. My SE dealer ordered them as soon as I found out about them, and I tend to stay on top of things when it comes to SE. Did retrodave not get any yet or just his first 5?
What strings does retrodave need to pull? If you ask me, if the allotment is 5, and he is getting more than that, strings have already been pulled.
My SE dealer still has one, you can PM me and I'll give you his info if any of you are impatient. But, remember, first come first served. I believe he has #20 if anyone cares.
I guess all threads regarding a retro reissue need some sort of drama. As soon as I hear people say "I paid so and so and didn't get my frame" I'll chalk it up to kids just complaing that they weren't first on the block to get the new toy. I understand people's frustration, but that's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket.
I think it's only fair that if the allotment is 5 per shop (my SE dealer only ordered 3), that those shops that ordered early get first shot at their 5. My SE dealer ordered them as soon as I found out about them, and I tend to stay on top of things when it comes to SE. Did retrodave not get any yet or just his first 5?
What strings does retrodave need to pull? If you ask me, if the allotment is 5, and he is getting more than that, strings have already been pulled.
My SE dealer still has one, you can PM me and I'll give you his info if any of you are impatient. But, remember, first come first served. I believe he has #20 if anyone cares.
I guess all threads regarding a retro reissue need some sort of drama. As soon as I hear people say "I paid so and so and didn't get my frame" I'll chalk it up to kids just complaing that they weren't first on the block to get the new toy. I understand people's frustration, but that's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket.
to tell you the truth capt i dont know the exact # of frames ordered by dave but i do know from reading this whole thread and posting here also that dave and TL where a bit closer in comunication than the local bike shop as i think dave even released the drawings for TL. I guess i Should just keep my mouth shut as usual dont want this turning into a FMF flyer post or a STR post. As for Paying Yeah I did pay for my frame from retro Dave I paid as soon as they where released No sooner Because of previous threads read. As for time frame doesnt matter to me when i get the frame Cant ride it in -4 degree weather LOL.
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Capt...I'm not upset at anyone. Just a little perplexed.
Hey Capt.
Glad to hear you picked yours up.
John didn't sound like you were..
That you were just picking up the Floval.
Glad to hear you picked yours up.
John didn't sound like you were..
That you were just picking up the Floval.
Yeah, I wasn't sure either, but after seeing it, I couldn't go home without it. It was either paying off a debt owed, or picking up the frame, so...
Besides, John gave me a deal I couldn't refuse.
Where from WI are you from,and how do you know John? You aren't the guy from H-D are ya?
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Besides, John gave me a deal I couldn't refuse.
Where from WI are you from,and how do you know John? You aren't the guy from H-D are ya?
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I meet John a few years ago..When they first started carrying SE..
I live in Hartford...Nope not the H-D guy.
I picked mine up Thursday.
I live in Hartford...Nope not the H-D guy.
I picked mine up Thursday.
Got #19 on Friday. I kind of wish I didn't buy the fork but oh well. Very happy with the quality of the frame. I think my Redline retro is lighter than this thing. I'm still going to try to race it though.
Dean
Dean
if anyone is not going to use their blue landing gear from retro dave i am interested. just wanted to put the word out since it pertains just to this bike
If anybody did not get a chance to get one, I think I will have an extra frame and fork and some goodies to go with it.
Woody@calamarco.com
Woody@calamarco.com
Woody, i just sent you a e-mail. let me know.
Ron Coleman
Ron Coleman
Love that BMX build on the completes page!
Here is a true BITD image if anyone needs it for inspiration on the build.
Our very own Sprinter:
Here is a true BITD image if anyone needs it for inspiration on the build.
Our very own Sprinter:
that is a great picture
If anyone needs a fork I still have a few of the older Landing Gear forks in Chrome w/two holes in the dropouts. Comes w/Landing Gear decals. $100 shipped.
I can tell you S/E is giving no special treatment on these frames. We are one of S/E`s largest dealers and we did not get any of the first 50 even though I tried! They are sending them out to dealers who ordered first which is only fair. I will throw in a few extra S/E schwag items when I get the frames out to those who ordered from me. Randy
Just received this from Todd Lyons regarding the second shipment of the final 200 frames:
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quote:
We expect them here to our warehosuse in about a month. Pass it on. Thanks.
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After seeing the dropouts in person and weight of the frame, I'm going with the Supercross Bottema retro forks. Who else is going with a non-SE fork?
Dean
Dean
PS-Summary from Todd Lyon emails:
The frames are made in a plant that only makes frames.
The forks are made in a completely different facility, hence the difference in quality.
He will contact the engineers for that facility regarding QC.
I tried to sway him to have Standard's Illinois facility produce the Landing Gear....he liked the suggestion but doubted the reality. he he he
SE makes very little profit from individual frame sets, I think we should feel very lucky they let this retro vintage project fly.
And he wants pics of those new Quad projects, send em on over to him! tlyons@sebikes.com
Cheers!
The frames are made in a plant that only makes frames.
The forks are made in a completely different facility, hence the difference in quality.
He will contact the engineers for that facility regarding QC.
I tried to sway him to have Standard's Illinois facility produce the Landing Gear....he liked the suggestion but doubted the reality. he he he
SE makes very little profit from individual frame sets, I think we should feel very lucky they let this retro vintage project fly.
And he wants pics of those new Quad projects, send em on over to him! tlyons@sebikes.com
Cheers!
Hey, just post em up on the thread in this Retro New School section & I'll peep 'em there.
I'm stoked on all the good feedback from you guys& the good & vibes about our new retro projects. Thanks, guys. See, the "new" SE ain't all that bad...
I'm stoked on all the good feedback from you guys& the good & vibes about our new retro projects. Thanks, guys. See, the "new" SE ain't all that bad...
I can't believe all the complaining about numbers, are you buyin em because you like em, or because of the future value they may hold? Build em & ride em, they aren't 25 years old.
I'm with the Owl on this one.
When I get mine I'm RIDING it.
It's not gonna get sold down the road, Ebayed, or hung on the wall.
My boy will get it from me when they pry my cold dead crotch off of it - sorry for the visual guys
When I get mine I'm RIDING it.
It's not gonna get sold down the road, Ebayed, or hung on the wall.
My boy will get it from me when they pry my cold dead crotch off of it - sorry for the visual guys
I am with ya on #'s owl but anytime there is a short run of 250, frames in this case and there is in this case 10000 or so people on this site alone not counting visiters and people that found out from Interbike and other places #'s come into play some want to ride them some want to show them If Se changed the quad design and didnt limit the run to 250 frames then #'s wouldnt mean squat I myself and gonna ride this thing HARRRDDDD then i will post a picture of it
I plan to ride mine as well.
So Todd, now that the logistics are out of the way, could you provide a bit of technical background about how the engineers figured out how to re-engineer this frame?
Were there any concerns about design, strength, structural integrity?
Did they have to come up with any innovative design techniques to get this thing produced?
On the old frames people would report the BB would flex under pressure. I notice the new one has some flex too, but it seems logical since that would keep something else from stress cracking.
Just curious about some "frame design" history on this particular project. (Oh to be a mechanical technophile)
Were there any concerns about design, strength, structural integrity?
Did they have to come up with any innovative design techniques to get this thing produced?
On the old frames people would report the BB would flex under pressure. I notice the new one has some flex too, but it seems logical since that would keep something else from stress cracking.
Just curious about some "frame design" history on this particular project. (Oh to be a mechanical technophile)
I love ridin' my old school and retro bikes to the local skatepark , just to see the reaction.
That will be the first place I ride mine once it's done, and if it EVER GETS WARM HERE!!
That will be the first place I ride mine once it's done, and if it EVER GETS WARM HERE!!
Had mine in the LBS over the weekend, some ramp riders came in. Their first reaction was that it was some type of new flatland bike, then they were very curious about it. A little BMX history lesson ensued.....and I learned they are too cool for brakes on their own bikes. Oh, these kids nowadays!
I'm also with the Owl on the number thing. Number, schmumber. It'd be cool to get an early one, but who cares? I'm going to race this bike, not sit at home polishing the freakin' serial number.
I just want mine to come in...trying to get the final bits sorted out so I can set it up. I'm going to put a less expensive wheelset on it than I originally planned, then save up for a $550 set w/ Ti spokes, Profile cassettes, and Bombshell rims. I'll probably get those goin' this summer.
I'd just like to have it for the opening day at my local track next month--plus the Reedley national.
I just want mine to come in...trying to get the final bits sorted out so I can set it up. I'm going to put a less expensive wheelset on it than I originally planned, then save up for a $550 set w/ Ti spokes, Profile cassettes, and Bombshell rims. I'll probably get those goin' this summer.
I'd just like to have it for the opening day at my local track next month--plus the Reedley national.
Once I get mine built I'm going to drill the holes in the fork dropouts it was supposed to have in the first place and bolt it on the wall by them.
Dean
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Dean
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I got my frame yesterday, number 40... Not that the number really means anything to me, I'll never sell or trade this one.
I have yet to build it, but after talking to BridgeCityBikes on the phone last night, and recalling what I remember my old looptail feeling like racing it... I hope I am wrong but...
I think some of you planning on racing this bike, are going to be sorely disappointed. The original looptail had a tremendous amount of flex at the bottom bracket. To the point that when you did a two pedal start on the gate, and looked at the bottom bracket, you could quite visibly see it flexing side to side, every time you put a little torque on the pedals.
I've read people say they couldn't race Tuff Wheels, too much flex. LOL Well if you notice the BITD pic of me that BridgeCityBikes posted, you will notice not only did I have a looptail Quadangle, but had Tuff Wheels too!!! The frame flexed way more than the wheels ever did.
I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade, and I'm not saying this new frame will be the same. But it is however based on the same design, with similar diameter tubing, and it's longer, which possibly could translate to more flex.
BridgeCityBikes mentioned on the phone that he noticed some flex at the bottom bracket on the new frame, I told him I was not surprised. As much as I truly love SE Racing and the Quadangle design in particular, the bottom bracket flex is what made me stop racing my original looptail Quad.
If the new frame flexes anything like the original, with all the racers being used to the ultra stiff aluminum frames, I think some people are gonna freak when they ride the new Quad.
Now having said all that, I can't wait to get mine built to ride it!!! Race it? Not likely. I'll probably race a newer P.K. or Quad. Who knows I may race it once or twice for old time sake, but with today's tracks, there is a reason frame designs have evolved.
Just my 2 cents - Tim
P.S. to Todd Lyons - you should of seen me opening my frame, I must of looked like a little kid on Christmas morning! As BridgeCityBikes told me in an e-mail, re-united with my first true love, on Valentine's Day no less! LOL - THANKS for making this project a reality!!!
I have yet to build it, but after talking to BridgeCityBikes on the phone last night, and recalling what I remember my old looptail feeling like racing it... I hope I am wrong but...
I think some of you planning on racing this bike, are going to be sorely disappointed. The original looptail had a tremendous amount of flex at the bottom bracket. To the point that when you did a two pedal start on the gate, and looked at the bottom bracket, you could quite visibly see it flexing side to side, every time you put a little torque on the pedals.
I've read people say they couldn't race Tuff Wheels, too much flex. LOL Well if you notice the BITD pic of me that BridgeCityBikes posted, you will notice not only did I have a looptail Quadangle, but had Tuff Wheels too!!! The frame flexed way more than the wheels ever did.
I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade, and I'm not saying this new frame will be the same. But it is however based on the same design, with similar diameter tubing, and it's longer, which possibly could translate to more flex.
BridgeCityBikes mentioned on the phone that he noticed some flex at the bottom bracket on the new frame, I told him I was not surprised. As much as I truly love SE Racing and the Quadangle design in particular, the bottom bracket flex is what made me stop racing my original looptail Quad.
If the new frame flexes anything like the original, with all the racers being used to the ultra stiff aluminum frames, I think some people are gonna freak when they ride the new Quad.
Now having said all that, I can't wait to get mine built to ride it!!! Race it? Not likely. I'll probably race a newer P.K. or Quad. Who knows I may race it once or twice for old time sake, but with today's tracks, there is a reason frame designs have evolved.
Just my 2 cents - Tim
P.S. to Todd Lyons - you should of seen me opening my frame, I must of looked like a little kid on Christmas morning! As BridgeCityBikes told me in an e-mail, re-united with my first true love, on Valentine's Day no less! LOL - THANKS for making this project a reality!!!
I'm with ya Sprinter. I finished mine last night and rode it this morning. Just riding around I noticed lots of flex. I have 48s on it so it's not the wheels. While riding up a mild incline, as the pedal approached 6 o' clock, the frame would flex. I expected to so no big deal. I feel the same as you do about racing it. Definitely not going to be my primary race bike but hugely cool none the less. Also, I noticed a slightly lazy (kicked out) headtube angle. I don't know what it's supposed to be but it lazier than all of my bikes. Still looks bad as H E double hockey sticks!
Dean
Dean
Correct me if I'm wrong, but am I right that the seatstays aren't welded to the seat tube as they pass by it???? That would make it even more flexy... Should've welded it there.
"I can't wait to get mine so I can complain about a lack of welds and how flexy it is"...
Tummier - That was funny!! SF is a great place to ride. I used to live in Noe Valley. I miss ridin around there...
hell yeah i want one also =D
Deans, show us some pics!
quote:Yeah I kinda freaked when I saw that. Of course it's been over 25 years since I had my old looptail, but I am fairly certain it was welded in that area. I mentioned that to BCB in our phone conversation. He thought maybe it was NOT welded there to allow the flex so there would not be anything cracking in that area. Definitely a surprise to me.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but am I right that the seatstays aren't welded to the seat tube as they pass by it???? That would make it even more flexy... Should've welded it there.
OK now that this is done and over, and everybody is happy like Tummler415, where are the P.K. Rippers???
sprinter - you are correct when you thought you were fairly certain about the seatstays being welded to the seat tube. the originals were. a couple pages back i mentioned this, and asked TL the reason for this, he may not have seen the post. i guess when i build mine up, i'll just take it easy on her.
Does anyone have one of these "early" frames for sale??
n2o - several have been on eBay already, Albe's had some, I ordered mine from Dan's Comp Saturday night, it was here Wednesday.
The Australian SE distributor is getting their batch of frames next week and I've got my name on one of them. I don't care how flexy it is I'm racing it ...Hey can anyone confirm the seat post diameter - is it 27.2mm?
Nope, 25.4mm on the seatpost size.
Dear Diary time,
I've been sneaking off to stare at the frame quite frequently the past few days.
Flex or no flex, it's cool as HECK to look at.
Gonna be a blast for street riding this summer!
Thanks again Todd Lyons, but I bet you are getting tired of hearing that.
I've been sneaking off to stare at the frame quite frequently the past few days.
Flex or no flex, it's cool as HECK to look at.
Gonna be a blast for street riding this summer!
Thanks again Todd Lyons, but I bet you are getting tired of hearing that.
25.4mm seatpost? HUH?
Todd Lyons from Page 8:
Todd Lyons from Page 8:
quote:You mean it's not 27.2?
Here's a bit of tech info:
American BB, 1-1/8 threadless headset, v-brake mounts, 27.2 seatposts.
I'll bet that's for the PK which is aluminum. All of my cromo bikes lately have been 25.4 and aluminums have been 27.2
yes, I think you're right woody...
25.4 for sure. I bought a brand spankin new dk seat post for the quad build.
I started putting together mine last night, 25.4 mm for sure, because along with bridgecity, I've used a brand new DK post.
Pics in the other thread coming soon...
Pics in the other thread coming soon...
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