Keithandstef
Jul 2 2004, 03:18 PM
I bought a set of Bullseye 36 hole (new ones I think) and had them laced to a set of Ukai's. The front is totally sweet, but the rear seems to have a bit of play between the spindle and the bearings. Once installed, if I tap the wheel from the side I can feel some wobble. I can feel it just hold ing the wheel as well. It almost seems like the spindle is too loose betwen the bearings. Makes a bit of noise when spinning too. The bearings feel fine when I just twist them without the spindle in there (althoug a bit tight I must say). Any thoughts on this? I've tried snugging-up the cuffs on each side, but it dosn't do much. Thanks.
Keithandstef
Jul 2 2004, 03:20 PM
The play is very very minor, but it's there. Did I get some weird mix of new school spindle and old school bearings. I bought these from Mux some time ago.
My front Bullseys hub does the same thing.......
suggestions?
Keithandstef
Jul 2 2004, 04:01 PM
Hey Hal. I'll trade you my rear rattler for your rear non-rattler. Then we'll both have a matching set! Back to reality. I have the front wheel on my bike and all set-up with the front brake, so I don't want to take it apart to compare front to rear (and possibly diagnose the rattle issue). Just too lazy, and I fear I may mess-up the front in the process. I'd love to hear someone's take on what could be causing this play. Should I try a different spindle??
Terrorabbleone
Jul 2 2004, 04:05 PM
If I remember right, you gotta file the axle just slightly so that the axle is all the way in the lock collars.
MUxster
Jul 2 2004, 04:28 PM
Bullseye Hubs are supposed to have a little play in between the collars. You should never tighten them up really tight. You'll wear the bearings out.
they should never make any noise though. If so you have too much play in them.
Mux
Keithandstef
Jul 2 2004, 04:39 PM
Hey Mux. Thanks for posting. I really think the play in mine is between the spindle and the bearings. The fit seems snug when I push the spindle through, but there is some play between the two metals. This is what creates the rattle I'm talking about. It can't be seen, just felt. Mybe I'm being over-critical, but the front spins like a champ, and has no such play. Odd that Hal's are just the opposite. Hmmm. Still searching for the answer. I pride myself on having rides that look and feel good. I can't live with a loose tail end.
Keithandstef
Jul 2 2004, 04:41 PM
I'm going to give T1's suggestion a go. That sounds logical. And probably a good thing to do even if it isn't the cause of my problem.
Terrorabbleone
Jul 2 2004, 05:20 PM
quote:
Bullseye Hubs are supposed to have a little play in between the collars.
Is it just me, or does this sound completly asinine, why build a hub to be loose intentionally? I could think of cheaper ways to have a loose hub.
Make sure the spacer between the bearings has no play or that will blow up the bearings eventually after getting everything snug how it should be.
TNT peacemaker hubs are in a way, the same as bullseye hubs, yet, they dont have play.
BenOr
Jul 2 2004, 05:51 PM
Roger is a very nice guy! and Bullseye hubs are great OS hubs. However, I laced set for a new bike and had the same issue. I could not get them right (meaning no rattles) nor to my liking.
My Profiles are excellent if only a tad bit tight. The best hubs I've had are cheapo Sun hubs from their prebuilt wheels (Super Stock). Cheap, Smooth and no rattles.
EMPI
Jul 2 2004, 08:14 PM
hey muxster, how's my 28h bullseyes comming along ? =)
mr coasterbrake
Jul 2 2004, 10:38 PM
keithandstef-
if you remove the axle does it look as though the outer surface was turned/filed down kinda crudely (rather than being totally smooth)? i got some last year like that (from roger) and they have a bit of play in the bearings, the axle being a bit too small for the bearing (no, it's not the intented end-to-end play that prevents side-loading). mine aren't very noticeable when riding, but you can certainly feel it with the wheel off. you can rattle the axle straight up and down in the bearing.
buzooti
Jul 2 2004, 11:20 PM
I had the same issue with a bullseye front hub. I drove me mad.
buzooti
Jul 2 2004, 11:21 PM
I ordered new collars, new bearings...I finally gave up.
Terrorabbleone
Jul 2 2004, 11:34 PM
New collars and bearings wont fix the problem, what causes the problem is the axle being a hair too long, because then you push the collars on all the way and tighten them down but you wont get all the slop out unless the axle sticks out past the end of the collars and then it wouldnt sit in the dropouts right most likely, so this is how I would go fixing this problem. File down the axle just slightly, then put the collars back on the axle but dont tighten down the allen bolt for the collars, put the wheel in the dropouts and tighten it up somewhat, not tight as you would have it for riding, but get it decently snugged up, then tighten down the allen bolts for the collars and that should remove all the slop if the axle has been filed down enough.
Keithandstef
Jul 3 2004, 06:33 AM
Exactly right Mr. Coasterbrake. The rear axel ends are not totally straight across. Sort of odd looking really. But mine do not potrude out beyond the collars. With the wife still asleep, I just tried T1's approach, whereby I put the wheel on snug, loosened the collars on both sides, and then retightened them to make sure they were flush. The wobble is now slightly reduced, but not totally gone. If I try another axel is there a chance it will fit more securely within the bearings? That's the only thing that really could be causing this I think. It's just a tini-tiny bit too thin?? Just as you said Coasterbreak, the spindle wobbles up and down within the spindle hole.
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