Hi, does anyone know where I could find a short section of 1" aluminium tubing please to repair my floval? And has anyone carried out this repair before?
I'm expecting to have to find the right size (1" OD 13/16" ID) ally tube, cut it so it fits the cracked area nicely, and take it to a TIG welder.
Any advice, discussion, tips etc would be appreciated. Cheers!
Downlowmatt@hotmail.com
Full Version: Repairing cracked PK/floval seat tube
Mux doesen't want to play BMX anymore but you might want to shoot him an E-mail
Cheers 26"r do you have his email address please?
is alliant doing this sort of repair at all?
Here's my problem.... can anyone help with a solution please? As I said, I can do the work, just need a couple of inches of the damn tube!
Hello Check it out.
There is no way to repair that part.If you have some one repair it.
They will not only ruin the exisiting weld work .It will not come out right.
1st if you were able to get a piece fitted and welded on it would be considered a butt joint and is very weak.
It will break the same way it broke before only faster.
How in the world do you think it broke in the first place.
You have to consider that originally it was at its strongest point and still snapped.
The frame is already heat treat as we speak.When you weld on it is will lower the treating number say rock well 60 to like rockwell 30 or less because you do not have the capabilities to lower the temp properly.
It has to do with ISO THERMAL DIAGRAMS on a specific metal. Possibly to technical for you but if you want to understand then you could do some research on it .
Very available.
Here is your best bet.The area you want to repair is not as bad as some of the frames like such FMF ,RACE INC, etc all having the same problems from what I have seen in the past.
All you need to do is clean up the area flush for a clean look but do not remove any weld work. Then below the two immediate welds not on the welds but the seat post tube drill a tiny hole tap it and use a set screw to hold the post.
That is how My self and all my buddies use to fix the problem without ruining the frame.
Then later on if you were to embark on some new technology to fix that area plagued many aluminum frame owners from the 70's to now you could weld up the tiny hole finish it smooth so you wil never notice it.
Another way that is very costly but can be done but the strength is about 50 % it to butt joint it with a 1/16" to 1/8" gap have it welded in a vacumm chamber purged with argon and perform a hot pass for full penetration with a precision solid bar turned on the lathe so all the weld does not fall in and keeps the same diameter for the post.
Once the weld work is completed grind the weld off the outside and finish smooth.
What you will have is a finished product better than what SE could do even if you sent it back.
It will hold and even pass inspection but COST IS THE BIGGEST FACTOR AND YOU NEED TO FIND A KILLER TIG welder not just some welding shop who performs weld work with all forms of welding. cost estimated is 50 bucks to turn down the soild bar 3 hours of weld and chamber vaccumm with a full bottle of argon about 150 bucks since your welding in an inert atmosphere zero oxygen. grind work approx 50 bucks.Basically 250 - 300 bucks.
It can be done.It is like speed it cost money so how fast do you want to go. Well Weld work cost moneyhow proper do you want it.High school weld work or what.I hope this post helps you out.Personally I would just drill a tiny 1/8 " or 1/4 " hole it will suffice guaranteed
There is no way to repair that part.If you have some one repair it.
They will not only ruin the exisiting weld work .It will not come out right.
1st if you were able to get a piece fitted and welded on it would be considered a butt joint and is very weak.
It will break the same way it broke before only faster.
How in the world do you think it broke in the first place.
You have to consider that originally it was at its strongest point and still snapped.
The frame is already heat treat as we speak.When you weld on it is will lower the treating number say rock well 60 to like rockwell 30 or less because you do not have the capabilities to lower the temp properly.
It has to do with ISO THERMAL DIAGRAMS on a specific metal. Possibly to technical for you but if you want to understand then you could do some research on it .
Very available.
Here is your best bet.The area you want to repair is not as bad as some of the frames like such FMF ,RACE INC, etc all having the same problems from what I have seen in the past.
All you need to do is clean up the area flush for a clean look but do not remove any weld work. Then below the two immediate welds not on the welds but the seat post tube drill a tiny hole tap it and use a set screw to hold the post.
That is how My self and all my buddies use to fix the problem without ruining the frame.
Then later on if you were to embark on some new technology to fix that area plagued many aluminum frame owners from the 70's to now you could weld up the tiny hole finish it smooth so you wil never notice it.
Another way that is very costly but can be done but the strength is about 50 % it to butt joint it with a 1/16" to 1/8" gap have it welded in a vacumm chamber purged with argon and perform a hot pass for full penetration with a precision solid bar turned on the lathe so all the weld does not fall in and keeps the same diameter for the post.
Once the weld work is completed grind the weld off the outside and finish smooth.
What you will have is a finished product better than what SE could do even if you sent it back.
It will hold and even pass inspection but COST IS THE BIGGEST FACTOR AND YOU NEED TO FIND A KILLER TIG welder not just some welding shop who performs weld work with all forms of welding. cost estimated is 50 bucks to turn down the soild bar 3 hours of weld and chamber vaccumm with a full bottle of argon about 150 bucks since your welding in an inert atmosphere zero oxygen. grind work approx 50 bucks.Basically 250 - 300 bucks.
It can be done.It is like speed it cost money so how fast do you want to go. Well Weld work cost moneyhow proper do you want it.High school weld work or what.I hope this post helps you out.Personally I would just drill a tiny 1/8 " or 1/4 " hole it will suffice guaranteed
I have done this type of repair at least a dozen times. These are not great shots but you can see the repair is flawless when completed polished or powder coated.
I have the tubing I can make it happen...
hotrod1ga@aol.com
[ May 25, 2004, 04:11 AM: Message edited by: Rod Miles ]
I have the tubing I can make it happen...
hotrod1ga@aol.com
[ May 25, 2004, 04:11 AM: Message edited by: Rod Miles ]
bless you Rod Miles.
Rod Miles...he makes it (re)happen.
[ May 25, 2004, 04:18 AM: Message edited by: pgringo aka P.hilip K.elso ]
Rod Miles...he makes it (re)happen.
[ May 25, 2004, 04:18 AM: Message edited by: pgringo aka P.hilip K.elso ]
Whoa.... a couple of days since I checked on here and I've got some great replies. Thanks guys. Rod Miles... I'll be in touch! Cheers.
quote:Hate to break it to ya Rod but JoMac says it cant be done so give it up...and quit lying about the dozen or so times you've done it before. LOL.
There is no way to repair that part.If you have some one repair it.
They will not only ruin the exisiting weld work .It will not come out right.
Nice work Rod!
Rodney, hope you can make Rockford, thinking of you, your dad and family. Please email me direct, have a project similar to above for you.
Beautiful! Too bad it can't be done.
Nice repair...YGM
Nice
hey matt, i should be able to get that fixed for you, but seeing as it cant be done please disregard my comments....lol
seriously if you need any help and you cant get it done by yourself then gimme a mail
graeme
seriously if you need any help and you cant get it done by yourself then gimme a mail
graeme
I am positive that you cannot do a repair such as that...
Yes you can see the repair.
And rod sees it also.
I do not wear glasses.
Matts frame broke right above the weld HAZ area so he would have to cut into a perfectly good weld doing that is just wrong. Considered ruined but for talk purposes as we are discussing here possibly OK
.If it is not your frame guys on the sideline GOOD JOB GOOD job.
See where Iam coming from.
In fact the people here on the forums will pay the extra 100 200 300 extra for an untouched frame and many can vouch for that.
Regardless how the repair looks.
In essence it is ruined.
Definition of ruined. As per dictionary .The cause of such destruction E.G.:A single flaw is the ruin of a diamond. What is a flawed diamond VVS1 VVS2 etc.What is flawless. IF. Help me out here diamond people
In matts case his frame is AN SE PK RIPPER LOOP tail WHICh is what it looks like. Amongst VINTAGE BMX croWD a DIAMOND.
A perfectly good weld just the material was busted above the weld. But if repaired the extent ROD WILL take it Will ruin the weld, heat treating,and originality etc of the frame. Considered RUINED look it up.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THE WELD.
PK ripped READ again RUINED weld work .You better believe it.NOTHING WRONG WITH THE WELD WORK.cutting into it grinding it touching it a no no
Where the tope tube shines and meets the seat tube it is right there but vague.But I we the forums does not see the extent of the damage before the shot.So even though ROD repaired that frame I havent seen if the repair was a damage = to matts.
On top of that, the cost rod will charge ain't worth it unless he can do it for 125 or less and powder coated.
I hear no figures.I have stated figures.I hear send it to me with an email address.IS he afraid to quote a price cause it is high.
I also said it was never impossible.I listed an alternative that would cost approx 250 bucks
I said it would be ruined.The heat treating has diminished period.
I also know that ROD did not heat treat the frame and I do not even have to ask.
If the repair is just as good AS NEW then Iam to assume that you BILL would pay TOP DOLLAR for MATTS FRAME since it is a loop tail when given the choice between the two repaired and NON repaired.
I love how you guys like to stretch everything like it is all good and dandy unless it is the other way around you being the buyer or asking advice from other members here like hey I want to buy a frame a repaired PK or a flawless one.Your reply what is the difference about 150. Response pay the extra 150. think Iam lying then you would be lying to your self who ever thinks that.
When you want good stuff it has to be flawless.
SUMMARY
Heat treating
weld work
prep work
finish work
coating work
MORE THAN 2 HOURS TOTAL Of WORK.
ROD displaying his skills should know what he is worth.the average welder out there charges 60-70 bucks an hour.Being that rod views himself as being above average by saying he can tackle the job and you guys backing him what do you think he would charge the average bloke for a repair like so.I said approx 250 -300 for the repair approx 3 hours start to finish
Less than 150 bucks start to finish I doubt that
Less than 200 bucks again start to finish I doubt it
As a low cost prove me wrong so rod will do it for 50 BUCKS one time only I can guarantee it possibly happening.
My situation was like so for MATT.Better to leave the frame alone as in matts case than to rework it.The frame is not bad at all from the many aluminum frame I have seen and others have seen. A lot of frames break into the weld area.Be it small or large.If that is the case then yes ROD can enter the picture and do his magic.most guys would sell the frame to another individual and put the funds to an OG frame.When you repair the frame and you are the buyer instantly when you ask about repair work red lights pop up and the seller is justifying how the repair is good as new from here to timbuktu.I would rather have MATTs frame over the one that rod repaired anyday between the two.At least you know the extent of the damage.
MATT my advice don't let anyone mess with it you will regret it.The frame is not as bad to cut into it. Iam not even doing the work or getting anything out of it other than saving a member from making a mistake.Those weld on your frame are not even effected.The frame rod reworked guaranteed busted into the frames weld work so it was like what the F might as well go for it cause the weld needs repairing anyway. JUST MY 2 cents and that is just that nothing more.AND BILL if you do not want to get into a P match then what is up with the stalking of me and telling me otherwise.Iam not chasing you down watching your every move and ready to fire off comments.I think you want to get into the match you claim you do not want to get into.But you keep claiming you do not want to get into it but you ever where I go proves otherwise.
And rod sees it also.
I do not wear glasses.
Matts frame broke right above the weld HAZ area so he would have to cut into a perfectly good weld doing that is just wrong. Considered ruined but for talk purposes as we are discussing here possibly OK
.If it is not your frame guys on the sideline GOOD JOB GOOD job.
See where Iam coming from.
In fact the people here on the forums will pay the extra 100 200 300 extra for an untouched frame and many can vouch for that.
Regardless how the repair looks.
In essence it is ruined.
Definition of ruined. As per dictionary .The cause of such destruction E.G.:A single flaw is the ruin of a diamond. What is a flawed diamond VVS1 VVS2 etc.What is flawless. IF. Help me out here diamond people
In matts case his frame is AN SE PK RIPPER LOOP tail WHICh is what it looks like. Amongst VINTAGE BMX croWD a DIAMOND.
A perfectly good weld just the material was busted above the weld. But if repaired the extent ROD WILL take it Will ruin the weld, heat treating,and originality etc of the frame. Considered RUINED look it up.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THE WELD.
PK ripped READ again RUINED weld work .You better believe it.NOTHING WRONG WITH THE WELD WORK.cutting into it grinding it touching it a no no
Where the tope tube shines and meets the seat tube it is right there but vague.But I we the forums does not see the extent of the damage before the shot.So even though ROD repaired that frame I havent seen if the repair was a damage = to matts.
On top of that, the cost rod will charge ain't worth it unless he can do it for 125 or less and powder coated.
I hear no figures.I have stated figures.I hear send it to me with an email address.IS he afraid to quote a price cause it is high.
I also said it was never impossible.I listed an alternative that would cost approx 250 bucks
I said it would be ruined.The heat treating has diminished period.
I also know that ROD did not heat treat the frame and I do not even have to ask.
If the repair is just as good AS NEW then Iam to assume that you BILL would pay TOP DOLLAR for MATTS FRAME since it is a loop tail when given the choice between the two repaired and NON repaired.
I love how you guys like to stretch everything like it is all good and dandy unless it is the other way around you being the buyer or asking advice from other members here like hey I want to buy a frame a repaired PK or a flawless one.Your reply what is the difference about 150. Response pay the extra 150. think Iam lying then you would be lying to your self who ever thinks that.
When you want good stuff it has to be flawless.
SUMMARY
Heat treating
weld work
prep work
finish work
coating work
MORE THAN 2 HOURS TOTAL Of WORK.
ROD displaying his skills should know what he is worth.the average welder out there charges 60-70 bucks an hour.Being that rod views himself as being above average by saying he can tackle the job and you guys backing him what do you think he would charge the average bloke for a repair like so.I said approx 250 -300 for the repair approx 3 hours start to finish
Less than 150 bucks start to finish I doubt that
Less than 200 bucks again start to finish I doubt it
As a low cost prove me wrong so rod will do it for 50 BUCKS one time only I can guarantee it possibly happening.
My situation was like so for MATT.Better to leave the frame alone as in matts case than to rework it.The frame is not bad at all from the many aluminum frame I have seen and others have seen. A lot of frames break into the weld area.Be it small or large.If that is the case then yes ROD can enter the picture and do his magic.most guys would sell the frame to another individual and put the funds to an OG frame.When you repair the frame and you are the buyer instantly when you ask about repair work red lights pop up and the seller is justifying how the repair is good as new from here to timbuktu.I would rather have MATTs frame over the one that rod repaired anyday between the two.At least you know the extent of the damage.
MATT my advice don't let anyone mess with it you will regret it.The frame is not as bad to cut into it. Iam not even doing the work or getting anything out of it other than saving a member from making a mistake.Those weld on your frame are not even effected.The frame rod reworked guaranteed busted into the frames weld work so it was like what the F might as well go for it cause the weld needs repairing anyway. JUST MY 2 cents and that is just that nothing more.AND BILL if you do not want to get into a P match then what is up with the stalking of me and telling me otherwise.Iam not chasing you down watching your every move and ready to fire off comments.I think you want to get into the match you claim you do not want to get into.But you keep claiming you do not want to get into it but you ever where I go proves otherwise.
Matt I guess you have to ask yourself and possible tell everybody your intentions of the frame.There is a lot of this or that. Again Nobody talks then when I speak everybody wants in. Grass is always greener on the other side
Actually, I know of two frames that had the entire seat mast replaced.
The old post can be milled out, grind off the old weld, weld in a new tube carefuly matching the old weld and then re-heat-treating the frame.
How do I know this? I am currently having a frame done that is broken just like Matts'. It is not costing a Kings ranson either..
As far as you being paranoid of me stalking. I own the site, its my business to see what is going on in every forum.
remember....a falsehood becomes truth to the next guy who reads your post if its not corrected.
You saying it cannot be done and the guy throws out a frame is is repairable.
[ May 25, 2004, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: Bill Curtin ]
The old post can be milled out, grind off the old weld, weld in a new tube carefuly matching the old weld and then re-heat-treating the frame.
How do I know this? I am currently having a frame done that is broken just like Matts'. It is not costing a Kings ranson either..
As far as you being paranoid of me stalking. I own the site, its my business to see what is going on in every forum.
remember....a falsehood becomes truth to the next guy who reads your post if its not corrected.
You saying it cannot be done and the guy throws out a frame is is repairable.
[ May 25, 2004, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: Bill Curtin ]
From the last couple posts of Macintosh I would now like to ask him the lottery numbers so I can bet the oppisite, and become a multi millionaire!
damn i was so sure i could get that fixed, oh well i live and learn
graeme
graeme
Dude your amazing they said it couldnt be done and here you go ahead and do it! Great job !
Rod, nice looking fix. YGM.
I recently came accross a looptail with the same problem. I'd like to fix it, and put together a "stand queen" not a jumping bike. With that being said and reading all the info in this thread, I'm fixin' it.
Bill, who is doing you seat mast swap, and do you mind me asking what it is going to cost?
I recently came accross a looptail with the same problem. I'd like to fix it, and put together a "stand queen" not a jumping bike. With that being said and reading all the info in this thread, I'm fixin' it.
Bill, who is doing you seat mast swap, and do you mind me asking what it is going to cost?
I am using Alliant Bicycles aka SE Racing of old.
While Apple is on a rant, The DG pitbike that is in the museum had a trashed headtube. Someone had welded the headset into it because it was flared badly.
I bought the frame knowing it was repaired. I could not tell how it was done and later found out.
The head tube was completely replaced. The gussets were carefully ground off, the head tube was milled off the frame, the downtube/toptubes were cleaned up to remove weld and a new headtube was welded on. Afterwards, the gussets were welded back on with attention to matching the new welds to the old welds.
If you were not told about the repair, you'd never know. An aluminum frame can be repaired
Here is a cool link on aluminum repair. If they can repair an automobile aluminum rim, they certainly can do a bicycleframe.
http://www.alcotec.com/atras.htm
Despite Johnny Appleseeds rant about Matts frame being trash, it can be fixed by a competent welder and it doesn't have to cost a million dollars.
[ May 25, 2004, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: Bill Curtin ]
While Apple is on a rant, The DG pitbike that is in the museum had a trashed headtube. Someone had welded the headset into it because it was flared badly.
I bought the frame knowing it was repaired. I could not tell how it was done and later found out.
The head tube was completely replaced. The gussets were carefully ground off, the head tube was milled off the frame, the downtube/toptubes were cleaned up to remove weld and a new headtube was welded on. Afterwards, the gussets were welded back on with attention to matching the new welds to the old welds.
If you were not told about the repair, you'd never know. An aluminum frame can be repaired
Here is a cool link on aluminum repair. If they can repair an automobile aluminum rim, they certainly can do a bicycleframe.
http://www.alcotec.com/atras.htm
Despite Johnny Appleseeds rant about Matts frame being trash, it can be fixed by a competent welder and it doesn't have to cost a million dollars.
[ May 25, 2004, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: Bill Curtin ]
quote:I would like to ask him something as well.
From the last couple posts of Macintosh I would now like to ask him the lottery numbers so I can bet the oppisite, and become a multi millionaire!
SHUT UP!
QUICK someone save that poor cat!!!
Bill,
Will Alliant do it for anyone (i.e. me) or do you have to know someone?
Will Alliant do it for anyone (i.e. me) or do you have to know someone?
email me...
Thanks, you got mail.
Ball park cost to repair a broken seat tube mast is $75 to $125.
I think "MOST" of you know I will not break ya with my repair costs. Now If you send me a frame that has 10 coats of paint or 5 lbs. of weld that I have to remove I charge extra, YES.....lol
How can I do top quality, detailed repair work like this at a low price? I do it in my garage at my house.
I have been in BMX for over 30 years, a welder and fabrication for over 20 years and I do this because I love it plain and simple.....
If all goes right my powder coating will be up and running within a month.
I will not post any more on this topic. Keep your eyes peeled I have spoken to Bill and hope to have a banner and web page up soon
<-------------------------Over there!!!
I think "MOST" of you know I will not break ya with my repair costs. Now If you send me a frame that has 10 coats of paint or 5 lbs. of weld that I have to remove I charge extra, YES.....lol
How can I do top quality, detailed repair work like this at a low price? I do it in my garage at my house.
I have been in BMX for over 30 years, a welder and fabrication for over 20 years and I do this because I love it plain and simple.....
If all goes right my powder coating will be up and running within a month.
I will not post any more on this topic. Keep your eyes peeled I have spoken to Bill and hope to have a banner and web page up soon
<-------------------------Over there!!!
Hey this thread has gone off the hook! Thanks for all the interest it has been great reading the advice offered.
From my humble viewpoint it seems that apple is taking a perfectionist view and Rod a realistic one (no offence meant!). To be honest with you I dont intend using my floval too much once it is restored. It wont be a show queen (there arent really any oldschool shows here in the UK) but I already have a couple of 24's which are riders and I would feel guilty if I were to re-snap a repaired rare frame.
Like many of you guys out there, I enjoy finding the parts to build a bike at reasonable prices and carrying out as much work as I can myself, but when things get super tech and I havent got the equipment and/or skills I get specialist advice, find the right person to do the work, and once all the parts come together, build up the bike myself.
I managed to find the floval at what I think was a fair price, knowing I have some work to do to get it on the road, and have found some good parts already (I've changed the stamped forks in the pohotos for some non-stamped ones actually).
Again I'd like to say thanks for your advice so far. I've included some pics of the work I've already done (basic stuff but still rewarding and fun). And thats what its all about - building and riding bikes and having a laugh doing it!
From my humble viewpoint it seems that apple is taking a perfectionist view and Rod a realistic one (no offence meant!). To be honest with you I dont intend using my floval too much once it is restored. It wont be a show queen (there arent really any oldschool shows here in the UK) but I already have a couple of 24's which are riders and I would feel guilty if I were to re-snap a repaired rare frame.
Like many of you guys out there, I enjoy finding the parts to build a bike at reasonable prices and carrying out as much work as I can myself, but when things get super tech and I havent got the equipment and/or skills I get specialist advice, find the right person to do the work, and once all the parts come together, build up the bike myself.
I managed to find the floval at what I think was a fair price, knowing I have some work to do to get it on the road, and have found some good parts already (I've changed the stamped forks in the pohotos for some non-stamped ones actually).
Again I'd like to say thanks for your advice so far. I've included some pics of the work I've already done (basic stuff but still rewarding and fun). And thats what its all about - building and riding bikes and having a laugh doing it!
Cool down lowmatt has spoke.And now I see where he is coming from.
Perfection is not necessary so everybody knows like my self where he is at.
For 75 -125 to repair.I believe that is a rocking deal. Matt since a trailer queen is not the road your going to take ,I'd go for it if the shipping back and forth insured with repair cost is low enough for you.
Rod my hat is off to you and your work for the low price offering and have no beefs never did just questioned the repair in comparison worse or equal to.My asking should not offend either.I believe it didn't also.
Bill No beefs here.Its just kinda of funny that where I go to make a simple statement it is all drama like nobody has lives.Do these people have lives or what.
A simple thread no one answered again drawn out to three pages with the sidelines yelling.
You know what I mean.
And for everybody out there who can't read. You better read my thread AGAIN cause no where in there did I say it was IMPOSSIBLE.I like how everybody puts words in my mouth then the next guy runs with it. I listed an alternative which means it is repairable whether my way is right or not does not matter.
What matters is that I gave an alternative that caters to the fact that it is REPAIRABLE.
For the sideline people If you don't want to hear me say anything then stick to another thread .
Use creativity and create your own drama.
I think that it is pretty pathetic that you feed off the very guy me you dislike for drama after work.
Pretty much tells me that you have no lives ,I mean you sit in front of your computer waiting for me to respond. I can create enough action on my own.
Perfection is not necessary so everybody knows like my self where he is at.
For 75 -125 to repair.I believe that is a rocking deal. Matt since a trailer queen is not the road your going to take ,I'd go for it if the shipping back and forth insured with repair cost is low enough for you.
Rod my hat is off to you and your work for the low price offering and have no beefs never did just questioned the repair in comparison worse or equal to.My asking should not offend either.I believe it didn't also.
Bill No beefs here.Its just kinda of funny that where I go to make a simple statement it is all drama like nobody has lives.Do these people have lives or what.
A simple thread no one answered again drawn out to three pages with the sidelines yelling.
You know what I mean.
And for everybody out there who can't read. You better read my thread AGAIN cause no where in there did I say it was IMPOSSIBLE.I like how everybody puts words in my mouth then the next guy runs with it. I listed an alternative which means it is repairable whether my way is right or not does not matter.
What matters is that I gave an alternative that caters to the fact that it is REPAIRABLE.
For the sideline people If you don't want to hear me say anything then stick to another thread .
Use creativity and create your own drama.
I think that it is pretty pathetic that you feed off the very guy me you dislike for drama after work.
Pretty much tells me that you have no lives ,I mean you sit in front of your computer waiting for me to respond. I can create enough action on my own.
quote:Did you write the below? Nobody puting any words there.
You better read my thread AGAIN cause no where in there did I say it was IMPOSSIBLE.
quote:
There is no way to repair that part. If you have some one repair it.
They will not only ruin the exisiting weld work .It will not come out right.
[ May 26, 2004, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: Bill Curtin ]
Sounds like he is into the preservation of early BMX bicycles... I love it... not to get rich but to restore or preserve...
I really like what you are doing Rod. I will be sending you pics soon.
I really like what you are doing Rod. I will be sending you pics soon.
Rod,
Just resent you pics of my PK. I sent them last week, but my hard drive crashed, so if you replied I didn't get it. Look forward to hearing from you.
Mike
Just resent you pics of my PK. I sent them last week, but my hard drive crashed, so if you replied I didn't get it. Look forward to hearing from you.
Mike
Very impressive work Rod.
But, please tell, why was the CBR all hacked up? And if the last photo is an after picture why is there no sign of welding? Doesn't look like new chrome?
But, please tell, why was the CBR all hacked up? And if the last photo is an after picture why is there no sign of welding? Doesn't look like new chrome?
It can be fixed. You would have grind down the existing welds, manufacture a short section of seat mast, and reweld trying to match the original look as much as possible.There is this myth that a weld are not as strong as the surrounding metal but eveery time I've seen a tube/weld failure it's been right next to the weld, not on it. I've had cast aluminum engine cases welded up and modified with machined aluminum plate with no loss in strength. As for the heat treatment issue the point is moot because over the years the frame has work-hardened, which is why it broke in the first place. Get it repaired by a competent frame builder and put a really long seatpost in it. You need to find someone who is a bit of a craftsman , almost an artist, rather than your run-of-the-mill fabricator.
The Cook Bros was damaged from my understanding and was turned into a Pit bike
The last photo is the after picture and with the quality of Rod's work, I dare you to find the welds...
What you are seeing is a polished tube before plating.
[ June 01, 2004, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: Bill Curtin ]
The last photo is the after picture and with the quality of Rod's work, I dare you to find the welds...
What you are seeing is a polished tube before plating.
[ June 01, 2004, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: Bill Curtin ]
hey down low, cool that you got in touch with my bud, you wont be disapointed
graeme
p.s. this frame can not be fixed and it will never look good
graeme
p.s. this frame can not be fixed and it will never look good
My latest PK Repair but remember it can't be done...
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1090085263.tmp[/img]
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1090085263.tmp[/img]
After.....
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1090536282.tmp[/img]
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1089620979.tmp[/img]
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1089798499.tmp[/img]
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1090561839.tmp[/img]
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1090489786.tmp[/img]
Mike Munger enjoy.......
Rod Miles
Indy BMX 77'-84'
hotrod1ga@aol.com
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1090536282.tmp[/img]
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1089620979.tmp[/img]
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1089798499.tmp[/img]
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1090561839.tmp[/img]
[img]http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/fd_webformex_1090489786.tmp[/img]
Mike Munger enjoy.......
Rod Miles
Indy BMX 77'-84'
hotrod1ga@aol.com
Wow Rod, that is a clean job - respect!
After speaking to Graeme, he has a friend up in the North East of England who has been an ally worker and welder all his life. I have decided (for postage cost reasons more than anything else!) to send the frame up to him. I'll keep you guys informed of progress!!
After speaking to Graeme, he has a friend up in the North East of England who has been an ally worker and welder all his life. I have decided (for postage cost reasons more than anything else!) to send the frame up to him. I'll keep you guys informed of progress!!
Just a reminder, if repair work is needed, email me for your free quote....
hotrod1ga@aol.com
Thank you!
Rodney Miles
hotrod1ga@aol.com
Thank you!
Rodney Miles
hey rod are you using cool camera tricks there, cause we both know that that seat tube could never be fixed
you do some very cool repair work my friend. did you see the after pics of the repaired frame that started this thread. not that it could ever be repaired that is
graeme
you do some very cool repair work my friend. did you see the after pics of the repaired frame that started this thread. not that it could ever be repaired that is
graeme
Rod made my Changa show perfect to what it is. No one better in my opinion!
Rod man, you are just too much!
You are most definately good at what you do.
I just wish I had those skills. That would be more fun to me then building up the bike.
You rock!
Iceman
You are most definately good at what you do.
I just wish I had those skills. That would be more fun to me then building up the bike.
You rock!
Iceman
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