I like this, it gives me warm fuzzies!

The 2nd gen master numbers have a date , so no big mystery with these , but the gen1 freestyler , 1st gen master/sport do not hold dates in the serial number, unless the numbers are logged to dates elsewhere ,which i doubt would excist now .I dont know if anyone has any theory on the double letters either ?
We know the T is Torker .
We know the end letter F is for freestyler on the gen 1 and 1st gen master and the 1st gen sport ends with HS which i can only think can be Haro sport .
examples from my frames.......

Gen 1 freestyler TMM 2527 F
1st gen master TFF 4309 F
1st gen Sport TDD 0196 HS
2nd gen master T10845931 (oct 1984)

Dan are you collecting these numbers for your own records or trying to establish something from these serial numbers ??

Both, I am going to try to figure out by the numbers, production, if we can get enough. And i'm just courious!

Cool Dan , I wouln't mind a copy of the results if you don't mind , Moose is going to be your biggest help as i think he has a load of the UK gen1 numbers , and there is quiet a few over here , but i wouldn't think there is too many 1st gen master and sport numbers to be had .
We need BOB HARO on here i think ...............

Sure no problem Jay! Anything for you my friend!
Dan

Thats it? Come on there has to be more! Are these really trhat rare?

oooh I'll get mine on here as well...

I've got a few to add when I get time. Get a hold of the Torker collectors in the BMX section. They have been looking at the letters longer then anyone and may know who could figure it out. All the Torkers I have had also shared the same prefix.
Torker Serial #'s I've had were:
TSS 4698 O
TWW 6804
HT 3029
Freestylers:
TNN 2283 F
TKK 3339 F
1st gen masters
THH 3982 F
THH 3924 F

Hi all

Another survivor for recording -

T07844754M

Torker built, July 1984, Build Number 4754, Master

If you look at the current gen 2's listed the date and build numbers make sense with mine being July (earliest) and also lowest build number.

What date did they change from Gen 1 to Gen 2 Master or did they run both at the same time?

J.

John Davis should have a # for you too

DansHaros, I will try to help, I have been born and raised on haros from the begining. Remember when the Haro came out in the very begining it was just a frame and fork only T-torker F-frame F-fork sometimes they did do things simple and if my mind wasn't so old (ruff 80's) I think they started all the 1st gen. at 4000 not 0000. Let me do some checking.
Later Hot Dog
I would be interested in looking at your list you compiled.

Here are the Freestyler Serial #s so far:
TSS 1118 F
TSS 1141 F
TSS 1163 F
TRR 1354 F
TOO 1515 F
TPP 1748 F
TPP 1749 F
TOO 1973 F
TOO 2009 F
TOO 2090 F
TNN 2283 F
TNN 2347 F
TSS 2357 F
TNN 2366 F
TMM 2527 F
TMM 2684 F
TKK 3050 F
TKK 3339 F
TJJ 3483 F

it kinda looked like they started backwards with the alphabet but that quite doesn't work out

Moose, no offense taken. I had some stuff somewhere and I looked and looked, I'll try again tonight, after my child goes to sleep.
Thanks DansHaros for posting those numbers, I'll try dig more into the alphabet numbers.
Oh DansHaros and Moose are you going to Rockford?

This probably won't be too much help, but I had a Freestyler, not sure of the alphabet code, but the numbers were 0882 F

Don't forget mine. TSS 0001 F


86EK

In your wettest, John! Oh yea i'm going to Rockford!

I have heard sometime around September '82 for the freestyler. Not sure about the Master & Sports. I would Guess summer '84, thats when they started advertising them.

[ March 28, 2006, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: DansHaros ]

I was the first to add my #M J 113529 (I don't know what this means)that is on the bottom of my BB cup. Inside my right dropout was # T II 3882 F.

I thought you'd get a kick out of that Dan. lol.

Still debating on the Rockford or the latter.

86EK

Here's my theory along with possible (rough) production numbers. Slow to begin with - then increased because of demand - tailing off near the introduction of the Master - then the Master in small numbers to begin with - introduction of the Sport - switch to 2nd Gen of Master/Sport July/August '84?

It's only my opinion based on the numbers I've collected. There do appear to be anomilies, but these need to be confirmed (TOO 1515 F I suspect may be TQQ 1515 F)

Sep TZZ 0000-0100
Oct TYY 0100-0200
Nov TXX 0200-0300
Dec TWW 0300-0400
Jan TVV 0400-0600
Feb TUU 0600-0800
Mar TTT 0800-1000
Apr TSS 1000-1200
May TRR 1200-1400
Jun TQQ 1400-1600
Jul TPP 1600-1800
Aug TOO 1800-2100
Sep TNN 2100-2400
Oct TMM 2400-2700
Nov TLL 2700-3000
Dec TKK 3000-3400
Jan TJJ 3400-3800
Feb TII 3800-3900
Fabrication of Master Started
Mar THH 3900-4000
Apr TGG 4000-4200
May TFF 4200-4400
Fabrication of Sport Started
Jun TEE
Jul TDD

The only thing I think is odd is that I would have thought that more than 4000 Freestylers would have been made?

I don't think so Moose. Therory sounds solid! If we can get some help from any Torker guys that might help! Do you think there were that many 1st Gen Masters made?

Does anyone know of any US made sports besides Jays'?

have a freestyler, have to dig it up for the number.

I think that makes more sense then anything I've heard yet Moose. At one time there was a factory Torker person lurking the BMX board. I have contacted a few Torker collectors but haven't got a reply yet. You may be able to confirm this by getting the # from the one Haney has. He still has the box, so maybe there could be a date somewhere on that to match up. Even if you can find an origanal owner of one that knows when it was purchased it might confirm it.
-Chip

Wow, you guys are like CSI for VBMX. Really cool digging.

86EK

TRR1399F bought here in town, have to check with owner of shop, see if he kept any records.

I've had it confirmed that TOO 1515 F is in fact TQQ 1515 F

Now, who's is this TSS 2357 F?

[ March 29, 2006, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: Moose ]

This is looking very promising , nice work .
As with the quistion as when the master was released , I know that Bill Curtin,with his connections with Haro Had a original invoice , when the master was released . I'm trying to get this info right now .

Cool! This is getting interesting!

Don't know if you have this number , TKK 3148 F .

Just found it on Ebay.

freestyler TTT 1041 F

Rosco, thats the earliest thus far! Check it out post #400, A Pro Member!