QUOTE (JJR @ Dec 3 2009, 12:56 AM)
I've a same 79 nickel frame like shown here.
With flattened area for the chain in the back.
So......then it's a frame used for a Supergoose bike bitd?
If i keep the nickel then it's a Supergoose and when I paint it in candy blue it will become a Team Mongoose?
Or did i misunderstood?
If your frame looks just like the one I posted, is actual Nickel, has one hole in the brake bridge, the flattened right seat stay and has no remanence of any Candy Red or Blue inside the head tube or bottom bracket, it is more than likely a first version Supergoose. What is the serial number? That will surely help too. You can check it out against Waza's master list.
From what I understand, there is no actual difference in materials or geometry between the first Teams (late '77-'78) and Supergoose ('79) frames. However, there are differences between those two models afterwards...
Nickel vs. Chrome...
This is where it get's tricky... Many people mistake Nickel for Chrome and vice versa. Nickel will always take on a different patina than Chrome after it ages, but when it's new or protected from the elements (from being coated for example) it can be hard to tell.
The best way to tell is to compare a known sample of Chrome against the suspected Nickel part, preferably a freshly polished area of the suspected Nickel. Also, using certain lighting you can sometimes see that Chrome gives off a slight bluish tint, where Nickel will give off a slight Golden tint or hue.
It has long been debated as to whether or not any Teams were Candy Apple Red or Candy Blue translucent epoxy over Nickel
The general consensus seems to be that the Team frames were always Chrome
under the Candy finishes. Also, because Chrome is such a poor surface for epoxy to adhere to, that finish was quite delicate and tended not to last. This is why we see so many people trying to "recreate" that OG finish on these vintage Team frames.
If this general consensus is correct, Candy translucent epoxy over Nickel on a Supergoose surely would not make it a Team.
Anyhow, I am far from an expert, I'm only reporting what I've been told and read about.
From what I've seen recently, some of the Aussie guys should know the definitive answer on this one.
Waza certainly needs to chime in on this... Pretty sure he'd know for certain and he may even have some old schematics or factory papers/information to verify.