Yo,
I am in the process of dialing in all of the 2011 SE bikes.

What I am looking for here is to have an open forum of sorts for suggestions on spec changes, geometry changes, colors, etc. for all bikes in the SE line. I will review this post almost daily for new info & feedback.

I am going to Asia in about a week. Some of our 2011 bikes will be confirmed within a month & others in two months. Lets try to keep this thread positive. But of course I am open to constructive criticism!

So lets here it: What do you want to see in the 2011 SE bikes?

Thanks, yo.

-Todd Lyons

I'd like the 26" Quad looptail offered as a frame/fork in team colors (light blue frame and brown forks).

Keep up the good work and thanks for asking us!

I'd like to see unstamped Landing Gears come back.

I will post this request here, too TL since you asked.

Retro looptail FLOVAL FLYER! This has to happen soon. A glaring ommission from the retro line-up.

I think the OM should go back to being chro-mo since the 26" PK is now the aluminum option in that size.

Don't get me wrong because I love the retros, but go back to only having one retro model per model year, and rotate it. Make them "special" again.

Not a fan of "Copies" either. No use for 1" threaded forks in todays racing/riding. Keep the parts modern/retro.


Doug

I second the Captain. The Floval is way overdue. And if you go 4130 on the OM, chrome it. Oh yah, and a sunshine cruiser too

I second the request for a 26" Quadangle frameset. Non-stamped threadless Landing Gear forks? Why not?

Give me a job!!!!

seriously, shorten the rear end on the Floval, maybe 14.5-15",21.5 tt 74degree ha, 71 sa. normal headset

any more advice just ask

+1 on the 4130 OM. I definately will buy one if you make it. It think alot of the retro buyers (read; old guys like me) would like the feel of a 4130 OM with a shortish rear triangle. I also would be willing to pay more for chrome.

Also, a padded retro saddle shaped kinda like the old ones in suede! SE blue, Brown, Tan, Black etc... I like the Blitz saddles. The bottle opener is cool.

A matching suede padset with chrome snaps would be really cool.

On the retro bikes, it maybe cool to make paint schemes to replicate specific bikes SE racers used BITD. How cool to have a PK Ripper that looks like the one that P.K. is using in the magazine. Maybe get their input as well. You may do this already but just my opinion.

I think its awsome that you ask what people want. Keep up the good work.

Dan

I think retro dark brown or SE blue snap pads would be off the hook!!! Also....retro number plates with old school colors.

Retro FLOVAL FLYER!!!!!

Todd, a pit quad. That would be killer.

Is this the same thread? Or a different one?

Anyway, I think a modern Quad, representing the original STR-1 would be a good idea.

What haven't you done?

I would like to see one in brown/ Root beer style. Instead of gold accents everywhere, we need show chrome like the famous Black Kappa and Nomura.

CHROME DECALS. Brown SE retro seat. I'll leave the gold chainring, headset and seatclamp up to you.

We need some good chrome hoops like bitd.

Wish List...
1. Ball Burnished Big Ripper.
2. Chrome 26" Quad or OM,
3. Give the Captain his Floval, he's got to be one of your most loyal customers..
4. It looks like the pads for the new handle bars don't really fit... they look small? redo the pads to go the full length of the wider bars.
5. Lots more Retros! Keep them looking old school... I will keep buying.

6... You don't have anything to do with this... but it's my wish list... Some one make remake the colored Snake Belly tires!

i want a Quadangle with 20 inch TT with a slammed rear chain stay of like 13.25.
head tube angle of 75 deg.

the rear is too long for me.

in yellow or royal or navy blue.

Please!

A few other suggestions on the chro-mo OM. Try and bring back the older look of the OM. Smaller tubing and having the seatstays connect at the top tube just past the seattube. Right now, the OM's are dressed retro, but don't have many characteristics of the classic OM's.

This next idea has been posted on other forums, and it isn't mine, but I like it.

How about a limited line of "Legends of SE" tribute bikes.

Retro versions of classic SE riders on the past bikes. Especially ones that won titles or have iconic photo's of them.

Stu's STR-1

Perry Kramer's PK.

Scot's OM.

Mike Buff's PK.

These could be the answer to some of the boutique bikes being offered. Something that speaks to the OS BMXer, not a trend follower. Make them available in limited numbers much like the DC PK 30th anniversary bike, but offered to select SE dealers instead of fashion stores.

If you ask me, the idea has legs. What do you retro SE fanatics think?

****EDIT****

OOPS, didn't notice Dan Thrift went there, too. Anyway, cool idea!

I would like to add that the TEAM ripper frames have got to be some of the most gorgeous frames produced in the history of BMX. I don't own one yet.

I saw a Black Team Ripper with some really nice photos and it's easily one of, if not the most, exotic looking frame I have ever seen. Brilliant.

Who is responsible for that design?

I hope they never go away.

Build something like this:-







or equip it like this to go up against the Redline Flight:-



DINGO

Looptail FLOVAL FLYER! Like i asked last time.

And bring us some cool retro pants, the modern style pants are unbelievable ugly. Ask the guys from JT to make new JT Camo pants to go along with tribute bikes.

Bring back the SE WING THING arm bands! I bet you could get the fixie crowd to wear these!

Seriously.... I dig the 700c bikes, they look fun to ride and I like the bmx flavors.

Some ideas on P & A

Bring back old school Layback seatposts in 27.2mm.

Swept back bar options for the Stout and 700c bikes. I am switching out my girlfriends Lager's bullhorns for these for more of a cruisin' feel. SS/29er mtbers are doing this now these days also.

Flip flop hub on the Stout so people can run "dinglespeed".

+1 on bringing back bottle opener on padded seats, or somewhere else on the bike.

SE bash/chainwheel guards

Good idea.

The tribute bikes are a great idea. A Toby Henderson quad, Stu STR, etc.
I have Toby's camo quad frame pad in my mom's basement.

On the camo pants.


How about a digital "camouflage" or "Digiflage" wrap pattern?

"Digiflage" padsets as well, possibly

How about cutting a check for that idea?

Bring back the aluminum Quad race frame! Please!

While you're at it shorten the top tube to 21" and the chainstays to like 14.5".

I totally want to race a quad but I don't want it to weigh like 5lbs. That and I know it sounds dumb but I just don't feel right on a 21.25" top tube. On the other hand a 20.5" TT is to short. Crazy I know.

Oh yeah, make it black with chrome/SE blue decals. That'd be sweet!

Hey, I've got a crazy busy weekend goin' on right now. But I will reply to most all comments & suggestions at the end of the weekend. Thanks! And keep the feedback comin'!

Todd, I agree with Nemo on the looptail floval but whatever you do you please give us a chro-mo OM Flyer, in the original SE baby blue.

I agree with the looptail floval flyer requests... Make it happen!!

I would definitely like to see a steel OM Looptail, but how about with mtb spacing to run gears on the rear. I think this was called the enduro. Would make for a cool retro dirt jumper.

Since this is just for the retro not the newschool bikes (which is another topic), I completely agree on a 24" Floval Flyer Looptail.
Something around 21.5" - 21.75" TT for the "older" guys would be nice.
I promise you Todd, i´d sell my actual newschool cruiser and race that Looptail Floval in our national series. Why not?

There´s only one thing i´d like you to reconsider. The colors!
Yeah i know tastes are different, but...
Dear Wildman, some of this year´s combos are really just over the top. I mean these wrap-colors... i still can´t decide which one is more fugly, the metal or the dollars.
Also imo you can not go with gold and brown /w babyblue highlights on the PK Looptail. Mixing metallic and plain glossy colors is just a no-go. At least in that combination.
Leave Frame and fork the same color or, if you can´t withstand (lol), do the forks either neutral black or white or chrome.
Keep it more classic like the 29" Big Ripper or the 26" OM in yellow. Both Quad Looptails 24" and 20" succeeded too.
Less is sometimes more. But i guess it´s hard to stay gentle if you´re a Wildman. lol

Yet Todd you´re the man, doing a great job. And thanks for asking us and giving us the opportunity to be a part of the creative process. Props to you from Germany.

For being a "sensitive" guy "euro", I find your avatar, "from" quote and signature quite disturbing.

And this is coming from someone with one of these tattooed on his arm...



Tread lightly indeed....

I would like to request a chromo OM with the seatstays welded in front of the seat tube, like BITD. And offer a 26" fork with V-brake bosses for us greybeards who like to do old-school endos and nose-wheelies. Thank you for your prompt attention to these matters!

Two of my favorite SE retro's so far. LOVE the color schemes.



Back of the number plate on the Quad...



I'm thinking of doing a 2010 24" Quad in a similiar color scheme minus the blue anno.

Mmmmmmmmmmm retro Floval's rock!



... and plates too!

Now i get it Nemo, you are a Deutschland Fan! This color combo looks somehow familiar to me. lol

I wasn´t sure about your last post, since there´s a lot of pi$$-taking about Germans here on Vintage ( cracks me up all the time lol). That always makes me a bit suspicious when it comes to "German issues". But some nice guy helped me out and explained it to me. So all is good.
The title "sensitive guy (tread lightly)" was given to me by Elvis. Guess why. lol

On the bikes:
Yeah, one 24" Floval Looptail like your OM would be pretty good for me. Why not.
I personally would change the yellow tires into black Micro Knobbys, change the seat, put on my Saints and beloved S&M bars and then hit the races. All could be so easy...

Not just a "fan" euro, but German blood flows in my veins. I'm very proud of my heritage. I wasn't kidding about the Eagle tattoo. I had it done a few months ago as a tribute to my father who always insisted on flying the German flag WITH the Eagle right along side "Old Glory".

I plan on having the town crests of Essen and Gelsenkirchen done next. The home towns of my parents.

Now, enough of that. Back to the topic at hand.

Paul, wouldn't that retro Floval rock even more if it had a looptail rearend and traditional headtube gusset? Hell ya!

Todd, it gotta happen soon!

since retro is all over SE why not a DB IV

Mr. Lyons -

The biggest mistake SE Racing ever made was selling out to the huge Chinese conglomerate that foots your bills to China and Philly ever few weeks. I would never buy a Chinese made Bike period. I was in SE Racing's factory in 1990 and I met the Devitt guy, that father and son team that purchased the company from Scott Beithupt. That said, my advise is bring SE Racing, or the BMX side back to USA. Then, and only then will you have the old school following again.

This is my unbiased opinion.

Funny. Sounds kinda biased to me.

...sez "Oldschool" Ray. Proud owner of a new Nissan.
Man, this isn´t constructive at all, but just bigmouthed hypocritical crap. The same crap you and a few other of the old school spread all over here on Vintage. You did the same in the other thread about Betcher´s new Haro frames.
Get over it. You can´t turn back the clock.

I mean, just answer me one question. What is the issue here?
Is it about the jobs or are you concerned about the quality? Or is it just somehow wounded vanity?
Really, explain me. I don´t get this whole Made in the USA thing. This whine just doesn´t sound very self-confident to me.

Hey, first of all, thanks for all of the suggestions & direction. My response here is gonna be quite lengthy, but for sure it will informative for all of you. I have skowered a few forum threads & below are some questions & a bunch of feedback for you guys:


1. Should we put a Euro BB on the Big Ripper? And what about the BB on the OM Flyer? Change to Euro?

2. Should we change the OM Flyer frame from the current alloy version to Cr-Mo?

3. I doubt we will offer the 26” OM or the 26” Quad Loop as framesets as I do not think that there is enough demand. What do ya think?

4. Should we keep the big cushion style seats on the OM Flyers & Big Ripper? Or change to something smaller?

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And now for my comments on your guys’ feedback:


-Please feel free to give feedback on all bikes in the SE line.

-The 2010 24” 26” & 29” retro bikes have bars that are modeled after original SE Power Wing Cruiser bars (28” x 7”) And the 2010 20” retro bikes have bars modeled after the normal original Power Wing bar (28.5”x 8.25”). These will be available in late winter in our aftermarket program separately.

-The handlebar pads on the production bikes are over an inch wider than they were on the ’09 bikes.

-The market is not really there if we put super high-end parts (like Bullseye hubs, Profile cranks, Paul brakes, etc.) on bikes.

-We have close-up pics of most all bikes on the SE website. Some of your guys’ requests have already been addressed on the 2010 bikes.

-Most all of the 2010 SE line will be available in January.

-I can’t add another retro bike into the line for 2011. So the retro Floval will have to wait another year at least.

-The 26” Quad Loop will stay in the line & most likely not be a DC bike & will have a more traditional color. But I will tell ya. I have been riding the 2010 yellow DC 26” Quad & everyone loves it.

-Retro # plates will come with most all of the 2010 retro bikes. And we will continue to place them with the 2011 bikes.

-Most of our new P&A parts will be available in March or so.

-New SE jerseys are getting designed soon.

-We are not going to get into the sidehack business. And Hyper already has them coming into Wal-Marts around the country.

-We’re gonna keep our retro bikes “retro.” Meaning with new-school threadless headsets & V-brakes. Not completely old-school with 1” head tubes & caliper brakes.

-We may be able to do colorways that are the same as some of the old-school legends that rode for SE. But making them as official signature models is another story as some of the guys have direct ties to other bike companies now. But I will look into it.

-We have no plans on making unstamped Landing Gear forks.

-The 26” PK Loop (the 2010 Hundreds bike) is not in the plans for 2011.

-All of the 2010 race frames have been modified & are all about 25% lighter than the ’09 frames.

-We do sell our P&A direct from our website on this link: http://shop.advancedsports.com/SE_P_A_s/29.htm -A lot of new product will be listed in few months.

-A 16” Quad Loop is on the table for one of these years. But probably not for 2011.

-The 29” Quad Loop is still on the “one of these years” list as well. We did have 3 that were made last year. Two of them are in my garage. ;-)

-We had plans for the 24” Quad Loop to be chrome last year. But with all of the intricate welds, it was not easy to get a good chrome job. So we had to scrap the idea of chrome for any of the Quad Loops.

-We won’t be making any race pants as we’re a bike company. Not in the race pant business.

-The 20” Quad Team frame was not a great seller for us. That’s why we discontinued it.

-All of the 2010 Landing Gear forks (on stock bikes & aftermarket) are lighter than before.

-The pink-ish red ano was a problem on some parts that we have had. But we are on it & it won’t happen again.

-For 2011, we are only doing one color option for each retro bike.

-There is not enough of a demand for a Jr cruiser. So we won’t be making on this coming year.

****That’s it for now. Let’s keep it rollin’!

T.L.

1, no.
2, if you do a PK 26 alum, the OM should be cr-mo.
3, if there's not enough demand, buy a complete, trick it out your own way.
4, I like the cushion seat, for cruising.

I was talking about the Ripper Team. There was a quad team?

Ripper team needs to stay. Who designed it?

My vote would be an American BB on the 4130 OM. I like the look of flat black one piece cranks with snowflake style sprocket. Thats just me.

Offering framesets raw or unfinished may make them more feasible (sp?) and the folks that want just a frameset usually want to make their own custom.

My opinion on the seats is to go back to a more old school size and shape. Kinda like the old Kashimax MX seats. But even the new style "Flyer" seat would be cool in suede.

Tires: Some tires with a Comp II style tread would be cool, especially in colors. I'm not complaining about the K-Rads but it would look a little more old school and it think wear better than the Comp III style. I know that would be tricky to get a tire mfg to do that on the scale you would need but I thought I'd throw it out there. Offering them aftermarket may open up new customers that can't afford a complete but want to dress up their older bike.

Thanks for asking.

Dan

How do all you guys feel that almost everything now is manufactured in China? Are any of you aware that China holds the most expensive loan (USA) of any nation in history of the world? Do you know how much we are in debt to China? And what if China stops making all our toys? Then what?

I say a big thumbs down that SE Racing is owned by a foreign entitity.

Mr. Lyons, although I like you, a funny guy and you live life like I do, I don't agree that using Facebook as a means to drum up business. However, if my livelyhood came from a company I worked for and they told me to make a lot of publicity, I might do the same. Publicity (wild pics) equals advertising equals $$$.

However, personally, I use FB as a way to connect with old friends, not a way to draw attention to myself, or a company I might work for, but then again I am self-employed.

Today, it seems like everyone wants their 5 minutes of fame and people will do anything to achieve this. Example: Stupid ballon family in Colorado. And reality shows! Disqusting! Seems like the sicker and stupider you are the more attention you get. Not me! I won't sell myself out for a dollar!

Ray, stop being a know it all troll.

The dude is asking US what we want-directly. I've seen you around on other sites and all you do is ***** moan and complain.

I don't care what you do for a living, I totally agree with you on domestic production issues, so does everyone here.

Pick a time and a place, the time isn't now and the place is in a PM.

Who's looking for attention again?

Who was it that said "Everyone has a price" and "There is a sucker born every minute."

Pretty sure they were Americans.

It's easy to say NEVER when it ain't ever been offered.

Take a look around. America is all about capitalism. Almost every American endeavor past or present has been about money. The feedom to make, keep, and spend it the way we want.

We've now reaped what we've sown. Buy low, sell high-words to live by, right? You own a business. You know. Don't pretend to be better than anyone because you are doing it all your own way. How many "deals" have you made to make rent, or payroll from month to month. Where do your customers get their paychecks from? Do they work for "Chinese conglomerates"?

Money is money, right? Hypocrite.

Ray you've already made a name for yourself on the bmx boards as a jackhole. You also said you were leaving and never posting on V again. That makes you a lying jackhole. Your opinion here is unwanted as is your participation.
Go back to scamming charities out of their monies, freakin loser!

1. I would keep the BB the same on both.
2. Change to Cr-Mo for OM... you need a Cruiser in Cr-Mo
3. don't know.
4. PLEASE change The Seat, there is nothing retro about the big seat to me... to me the best seat around is the now gone RetroBMX seat. make a seat like that, it's perfect for a cruiser, super comfortable... and has a real old school look. and yes keep the lightning bolt



1. Should we put a Euro BB on the Big Ripper? And what about the BB on the OM Flyer? Change to Euro?

2. Should we change the OM Flyer frame from the current alloy version to Cr-Mo?

3. I doubt we will offer the 26” OM or the 26” Quad Loop as framesets as I do not think that there is enough demand. What do ya think?

4. Should we keep the big cushion style seats on the OM Flyers & Big Ripper? Or change to something smaller?

Todd, I have 4 requests for the SE Retros...

1) Please make the next collab bike with a company that has something to do with a BMX clothing company that actually cares about BMX. While I understand the reason for the Crooks, and the Hundreds bikes, I feel it is just wrong that SEs awesome legacy is being turned into a "Trendwhore" flavor of the month. (Yes I know that word is strong but that is truly how I feel.)

2)Can we move to integrated headsets instead of a cupped headset? Now I know I can hear the purists raising their torches and spears but hear me out. Everyone I have had this discussion with keeps getting Internal headsets mixed up with the integrated. ("I hate the look of those big popcan headtubes!!!") I have yet to meet anyone who has used an integrated headset that will ever go back to a cupped one. They work great are way less maintenance and dont have the "popcan" headtube look.

3) In the spirit of point #2 I would also like to see the move to Mid or Spanish BB. The retros are supposed to be about the look of yesteryear with todays tech. If you went mid BB the look would not change and again it is way easier to deal with.

4) THis one I do not expect to get but you asked... Could we get a PK with 990 mounts? Why? Well there are those of us that want a PK retro for a trails or a freestyle bike (yes I know the PK is aluminium and frankly PKs were "THE" freestyle frasme before we had fresstyle frames) and just arent fans of V-brakes. perhaps offer it as an option?

Thanks for listening. I know I have bben critical on the collab bikes and using the PK ripper name on the Fixie (BLECH!!!!!). While I still feel the same it does not change my respect for what you have accomplished or the fact that you come on here and actually listen to us. Could ya please just keep the PK Ripper name off of anymore non bmx bikes?