Really Shawn...you really think that frame is deserving of a "restoration"? Man oh man, you dont get it do you?

Well. I just spent a good chunk of time reading this whole thread. I laughed, I cried, I had a darn good time. Still, I feel cheated in some way. Who has the frame NOW?

Funny how like-minded people all involved in the same hobby (that's why I suggest they are *or should be* like-minded) can see things from so many angles. It's a great piece of history none-the-less.

It was good to see Boone on here. It was good to hear from Stu and Scot. It was good to see not much hatred spread around too. Happy Holidays to all!

n2o

I get it!!!

I always hear:

Jeff, why don't you hang on Vintage or race anymore?


I give you this thread!

^^^ +eleventybillion^^^

Haha, I was just thinking the same thing.

has anyone heard from Jamie Tobin ...since his expidition to Hutch Lake? I sure hope the "HUTCH LAKE MONSTER" didnt get him....if so I want to be the first one to say

RIP Twin top bunkbed wetter!

What JA Miller said, except nobody ever asks me where I've been.

Brian...
Yeah, typical of how you seem to have twisted stuff in this thread.
I don't claim to "know so much about" you....frankly you don't excite me enough to do any homework either. I never addressed YOU, but if you want to claim the title of "intraweb flapper"...go ahead.
My statement, if you care to actually READ my words...is about spirit. The spirit of this site, and the internet in general. Dude, BMX is a LUXURY last time I checked. So, how about showing some GOOD CHEER, and ENJOYING the sport, and this hobby that SHOULD be bringing a lot of JOY. This DUMPING on people, and baring of fangs is what runs some of the greats off of this site, and to a greater degree, cool people off the internet forum trip overall.
"WHY stay on here and argue with some dude named Brian Hays when I could be out ACTUALLY RIDING my bike?" becomes the question. Well, the answer is pretty flippin' obvious, and that's why I haven't responded til now...I have been RIDING my bikes.
SO, buddy....why don't you just kick it down a notch or two, and ENJOY yourself here instead of PUFFING up and goin' cowboy on people?
It would make the place a LOT more enjoyable.
Or, you could just sit there, keep playing expert, and alienate everyone else on this site, and watch as people start igonoring you, and even more people just quit posting on the site in general. Notice there hasn't been a whole lot of traffic lately?
Think about it.

I wish you the best in the new year, and hope you can actually read what I said in CONSTRUCTIVE way...I think you have a lot to add here.

I'm not sure what there is to get? (I guess I'll pass that off as the unfortunate degeneration of this thread).

I don't mean restored in the sense that it should be stripped and painted. I mean restored to it's last ridden state, it's more significant as a complete bike than it is as a frame - provided it's restored correctly.

I would leave the frame as-is and build it up with the correct era (preferably non-NOS) parts - based on one of the photos that show Stu on that bike (if that is the bike - that seems to be in debate).

JT has built up these kinds of bike in the past as replica restos - but I wouldn't touch the frame in this case, because it's not a replica - it's the real thing (supposedly).

At fear of joining the negative, I want to post what Scot said when I asked him about this Thursday.

He said the didn't have enough weld area on STR1 under BB shell frames. So they tried one frame that went under AND had tubes over the shell. The goal was to get more weld area. He said the frame didn't work as the shell warped and they couldnt't install cups.

30+ years is a long time ago and a great deal of life has past. I'm sure I personal blur my comments unintentionally.

I think you're right Ben0r. Cornfeds rendition of the added loops above the BB looks like what they were talking about, not looped over instead of going under. Makes sense and looks like something worth trying at the time.

Great bike, great people, great thread here. Dont ruin it with a bunch of hate.

Happy holidays everybody

18 pages and I'm not sure what to think of it all.

It's obviously one of the first STR-1's built. It doesn't need documentation because the frame is documention of itself. The problem is how do you repaint the frame and retain it's self evidence that it's an original. The answer is you can't.

Last year I built a snow Bike frame in the quad angle spirit.

Curbdestroyer, that bike is awesome!!! Is that frame custom made?

I'll exit the conversation now, because it's evident that people only read what they want, then jump to conclusions.

I'm not saying it should be repainted, I wouldn't touch the frame - and it does need documentation if it's claimed that this was Stu's bike - it's obvious it's an early prototype, which has a certain value sans documentation without the claim to provenance.

Jeez, no wonder I don't post here much any more - you guys can have your little world.

Over and thankfully out.

I say scrap this thread and start a new one about curbdestroyers' cool azz Quad MTB!!!

Shawn, don't bum-out....things can be read oddly. We get it, you, as I think...the bike should be build ERA CORRECT with killer, NOS parts. Any other suggestion, is well, just that. Who cares? Not our bike, not our problem. BUT, and interesting topic nonetheless.
So, fuggedaboudit...pull up a stump, and keep chewin' the fat.
Yeah, about that QUAD MTB.....
GAWDANG!!! That is one SWEET ride, Hoss!! What's the scoop?

I was just offering my opinion. It wasn't directed, or in response to anyone in particular, but as the thread as a whole. After 18 pages I'm not sure who said what.

You can't please everybody, and that doesn't make any one decision right or wrong. Every person has thier own way of doing things. Some national no.1 riders have good form; some national no.1 riders have good style. Either way they were, or are National no.1 riders.

It all depends on why your buying it. Outside the Old School BMX conciousness it's not worth much, . . . definately not 10,000. The frame material now would cost you about $75, + Plus the builders time . . . The balance of the $10,000 is your imagination. What's the reason for making that part of your imagination tangable?

No Rights, No wrongs, . . . it just is.

I built it myself from straight guage 4130. It weights about 5.5 Lbs. I thought it would be more, but that's what I remember the scale saying.

It's brazed like the schwinn stings, and not Tig welded.

I wanted to have the looptail, and have the downtubes go under the BB like the STR-1, but it's a MTB, with DISC brakes, so I had to S-bend both chain stays. The chainstay by themselves were hard enough to bend . . . Identical . . . , let alone involving them supporting a BB, and on the other end then loop them into the seat stays . . . with a conduit bender.

The frame was a real pain to build, but in the end worth it. The frame cost me about $75 in material, and about 40 . . . err 60 hours to build. It's probably the cheapest frame at the trails, but it's the one that always get the attention, especially from the people who know what a quad-angle is. . . . most people now a days on the trail don't know what a Quad-angle is, and just think I'm trying to be different, or weird . . . Oh well.

Oh yea and I forgot. I ride to work everyday, so this was planned and built to use 3" wide tires for snow. The hard thing to do was thread the chainstays. leaving enough granny gear clearance, then leaving enough crank clearance, tire clearance, then have them set to add a disc mount. Stability was the first concern. I was thinking about building one to race with shorter chainstays, Those are about 18" long to give stability, and tire clearance. 70 degree head tube angle, 74 seat angle . . . because that's the way I like it. 23" top tube, 17" seat tube. 11-1/2" BB height for low center of gravity.

More pictures on my blog, over to the left is a link call snow bike (mtb). Click on the archive on 2008 and you can see the build from tubes, brazing, and finally paint.

. . . and that's all I'm going to say because this thread is not about my frame.

Wow. That STR-1 is so awesome looking. I was hoping Kappa could pull off the repops, but it never happened. I'm glad my Quadzilla is brown, though. I hope it ages as gracefully as that frame.

What would you guys do with the frame if you purchased it? I know many feel it should be left unbuilt, but I would want to build it up in the era correct parts - nothing NOS. Black astabula cranks, rattraps, suede mongoose seat, shimano hubs. Nothing top shelf. All of Stu's bikes looked bullet-proof and affordable during his SE daze. I doubt I would ever ride it, though. That bugger would be for looking at, but that's about the only bike I could ever imagine garnering that status.

JP

P.S. - That's a rad frame Curbdestroyer! I'll take one of those for $75. Heck! I'll even pay ya' $150!

JP

Just wanted to be able to compare the pix.