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That's a system propping up something in the flail mode. That's GT giving me a full factory ride because its AA riders need competition. That's a ton of money chasing after a dime.


Elvis I need a commitment form from you for the 2010 season or the deal is off....lol

NBL...."Lead, Follow or get out of the way!"

It is kind of funny the histrionics thrown up by the Hitler statement. Having good ideas does not mean you are a good person, or even that you protray youself as good, or even tolerable. This thread was about Schmick... and not the merging of sanctions, or the end of the world, or whatever else people decided to belabor.
It is interesting to me that people ignore that what Snicker posted on here was incindiary, crass, rude, beligerent, insulting, etc, etc... and still say, hey, he makes good points, listen to him. I didn't agree with alot of his points. So to me, they were NOT good points. I also did agree with alot of his views. That doesn't equal out the disdain I hold for his posting methods.

for the more drama prone, I didn't postulate that Schick was like Hitler, or anything of the sort. That was the name that just popped into my head as an example of someone intelligent, who "had good points", but who's despicable actions and viewpoints obliterated any consideration of any of his views or parts of his life that were good, both in thought or deed. If you guys have a problem with that, sorry. I don't and never will subscribe to the thought that certain things are off-limits to general public debate because of perception.

As far as the whole Elvis post.... I agree on some levels, but I also disagree. I see problems with the veiwpoint, expecially if you are coming from another view. Bondtraders post alluded to some of the views I wold be talking about... but I don't know... I don't feel like getting into it. Typing wears on me... I find myself getting more and more intollerant of it. Hence the plethora of typing erros and grammar errors. I dont care anymore... lol.

Well Said Nate. It never ceases to amaze me that One guy posts constant beligerence and since it is pointed at one group the asses on here wish the worse for he's a hero and his beligerence should be embraced...nevermind the offensiveness is the real problem not the point to which you may agree/disagree. In fact, if you say he's rude some will say you only think that because you don't agree with him and your offended? Not because he's trolling? And to those "Geniouses" I say you expect to be taken as credible? LOLOL!!! Seriously, its not his point of view that was offensive, it was his offensiveness that was offensive. To not see that is caused by your BMX Political ideolog which blinds you completely. Probably cause your'e so full of crap that the brown in your eyes is actually the crap fill level sight glass and you can't see past that.

But if Nate says Hitler and punch and whatever OMG the crap just sprayed the room. That was offensive and Horrible. Please, go play you're Us Vs. Them crapola drama on another fiddle.

If It weren't the internet and someone were to step into my space and constantly belittle and insult me, even after I told them I didn't appreciate it, asked them to go away, did everything I could to try and stop it but they refused to show enough respect for me to stop, it would definitely come to blows and for many of you that wouldn't be any different. Seriously get off your high horse and be dramatic somewhere else.

So call me the bad guy, That's right, I'll defend Nate, If you can defend Schmick you have no reason to cast one stone at me.

It's weird, Elvis used to be bisanctional and Schmick used to be critical of the ABA too.

It's kinda like when we were enemies with Iran, and then with Iraq and now back to Iran again.

You hang around long enough and you see some interesting stuff.

I like bikes. I always have.

Case in point for Schick/woody merging viewpoints: I think homosexuality is wrong. (please, no debating/argument/etc... I am just saying this is my view). So did Snicerdoodle. but.... he went it in a way in the Cafe that made me cringe... calling them names, being offensive in the extreme, using vulgar language. It was not cool in any way shape or form. Though our views merged... His view were displayed in an atrociouis manner. Hence, when he applied this same manner to things we disagreed with, whether religion, or sanctions, I am supposed to "jsut listen to him, he has good points"? Right.

Insulting, rude people are a huge problem for me.
Saying that the way I portray myself is the same as the way someone like smcik portrayed themselves is a huge problem for me.


Consistently harping on an individual that was banned for his behavior on here, NOT his views, and telling those of us that thought he was an idiot that he made sense and should be listened too, and raising him up like he is some martyr to the restrictive status-quo seekers is wearing a little thin.

bottom line, the guy acted like an idiot on this board. He was subsequently banned for it, though he came back and continued to act like an idiot with other screennames. Period. good riddance.

I stand by my statements. End of discussion for me.

Yeah, 'cause Hitler, that's pure LOL there -- a laugh riot. Only on teh Internets would somebody make a Hitler comparison and wonder what all the fuss was about (Holocaust LOL).

The right/wrong of a given poster's manner is a given if that poster's been banned, so I'm not seeing the need to rehash. You don't like the guy? Whatever. Him hacking into the board would be another in a series of weird chapters.

Reminds me of an old song... "First I was a hippy, then I was a stock broker, now I am a hippy again.."

Brian

Oh, I've got nothing against NBL-brand BMX. I mean whatever, it's all good when the gate drops.

I got a problem with this meandering logic used to maintain a two sanction world when the one sanction appear unable to dump water out of its boot with directions on the heel, which would be merely absurd, were it not that this live action Kabuki comedy is pulling craptons of money out of the sport every year, which would be merely macabre, but the logic people use to justify this situation is just amazing.

Hundreds of thousands a year, and people want to sweat a points system. It's like we need better helmets.

I've said it a hundred times, and I'll say it 100 more: BMXers are BMX's worst enemy.

We don't need better helmets... Just less of them... Helmets interfere with Darwinism...

Brian

You're being deliberately obtuse. Don't be. Nobody is LOLing over the Holocaust. You kow that, I know that.
Rehash is as it is. I don't like the online persona of the guy. Again, people keep coming back to his arguments and rehashing them, and inferring that I don't like him for his views. Hogwash. If you don't see it, you are blind, or just not reading the posts.

I must say, him hacking in here would be awesome. Now that would be LOL>

So just from the standpoint of a BMX consumer, what am I supposed to do, stop spending money with the NBL? Suppose I think the NBL offers a product I enjoy and that is convenient to my location. Are you saying that I should keep the big picture in mind and stop spending my money with the NBL?

On the other hand, if the "meandering logic" paragraph was directed at the NBL administration, then I don't really know enough about the logic being used to make a reasonable comment.

I know.

Spend your money where you want, but at least acknowledge the two-sanction system is sucking money out of the sport. If there were one sanction, it wouldn't matter regarding your membership:convenience. At least acknowledge the sport could be structured better in North America for the betterment of the sport itself.

This "we need to the comp" model overlooks some glaring inefficiencies in a shrinking market, as bondtrader pointed out a market that's shrinking due to these inefficiencies.

Instead we got a couple of hundred thou a year, or more, out on insurance, now close to $50K out in lawyer's fees, and heavens knows how much in two organizations doing essentially the same administrative thing!

Wait, this is new: Because the two sanctions split ridership, national sponsorship has to decide first, if one sanction or the other best presents the eyeballs it's looking for, and second, if it wants to make an investment into a split group. So now the sponsor has to spend money in research to decide if BMX is worth the trouble.

Want to know why there's less national brand in BMX racing? There you are. Want to know what big-line national consumer brand sponsors bring? Television. Want to know what television brings? Money. And money? Head count at the local.

And none of this is happening because people are freaking out over the number of motos needed to transfer, or the points structure, or Sunday morning practice, or who they like, or who they don't like, yadda yadda yadda.

Right now BMX has the ability with the Olympics to present itself in a way it hasn't had since when it was a hot new fad. This train, however, is leaving the station because of tribalism. I've ridden both sanctions, it don't matter, what matters is one sanction coming together out of this thing. That one of the sanctions seems to be having a tough time pulling it together, coupled with the opportunity, coupled with the opportunity lost while we continue with Plan A, is why it's time for a single sanction.

Wow. Him hacking in here would be AWESOME? OOOOOOOOOOK.

Kinda like saying "so and so burglarized your bike shop last night? That's AWESOME!"

To quote "Clear and Present Danger"

"Jack...computer theft is a very serious crime."

M

ah... but it would add to the legend that is schmick. Awesome is not a necessarilly good word, you know. One can be awe-inspiring in how bad one truly can be. Or ignorant. Or whatever.

That would be just a whole nother platform of crazy.

Since my kid is a card carrying NBL member from Hendersonville BMX and he has a FOS badge on his Formula's head tube I would campaign for Schmick, hummm ... think on it, he is witty, analytical, great with stats, the fella is smart, and he can be aggressive when he needs to be .... sounds like he could actually have something to offer in a leadership role there.

Does the U.S. have the most riders and are we the only country with two sanctions?

Yeah, and let's give Hugo Chavez a vote in the US Senate...he's all of that but not wittyin a funny way, (No FOS sticker either I'm guessing) Oh and he's one of the US's biggest critics too, yeah, maybe he has some ideas that are in our best interest too. (I would have chosen Hitler but its been done too death, especially in this thread. Besides, He's so 1940s... )

All joking aside, Why disrespect the people who actually like the NBL with a trash Idea like that? Besides, we know you're an ABA BMX ideolog, no disrespect and its okay to be a BMX politician if thats what you choose Heck, you make a lot of good things happen because you are that person. Your track speaks for itself, the Sanction War in SC was def cool, But you have to realize that since you are a one sanction guy, and that one sanction you would prefer is ABA, I wouldn't really look at your proposal to put Scmick on the NBL board as anything different than the pervebial fox guarding the hen house.

Actually...over on NEWS, his first and only interaction with me he said he'd like to "drown my ugly face."

For the record.

Now that's fowl. Tim is cooler than sno-cones served by a hot track mom too....Now, that's cool!

Seriously, Tim's Contributions: I can't really explain this like it deserves to be but I'll try. He's the guy you really hope is showing up to announce the race. He's not doing it for money, just love of the sport. Heck, he shows at a local or national/regional, gets some gates and facilitates the show. Clearly he just loves doing it and he gives you absolute professionalism You da Man Tim!!

Schmick insults people who disagree with his BMX ideology...

You do the math.

Man that Hitler, never fails to crack a smile, aye? Funny funny stuff.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Yet ironically, I heard somewhere that he really bombed as a comedian so he decided on a career change as an evil genocidal dictator bent on ruling the world instead....I always heard that most comedians were really just angry little men inside, go figure.

Show me a link to a post where he actually said that and then I'll believe it. For the record.

Al, I have never said anything against NBL kids, NBL Races, or NBL Tracks. If they have fun and run good programs that is great, kudos from me are given, that is what this is about. For the record, I like free enterprise, and I love competition man. I look at it like this, a simple analogy ...

Say there is a new kind of desert out there. For kicks sake, lets say ice cream just now hit the market. There are only 2 brands being sold, this keeps prices honest. A good thing right? Both brand A and brand B are good tasting, but brand B has issues because their packaging sux and so it gets freezer burn, goes stale, and then gets those icky ice crystals all in it. Well the average consumer does not know this when they buy brand B ice cream, all they know is they have bought ice cream period, and now have an issue, so they call the home office of brand B. Nobody answers the phone, so they leave a voice mail. The customer never gets a response. They are now turned off from buying ice cream all together. They don't even wanna try brand A, now they just don't like ice cream. They are gonna go buy cake next time at the store, not ice cream.

OK, so what did that have to do with BMX? John, my son, got a membership at brand B BMX. He never got his brand B card, never got a copy of his brand B magazine. He went to the brand B website, it was about useless, it was slow and it froze up. So, he called brand B on the phone instead, he got hold of someone there at brand B's Head Quarters who told him it would all be taken care of ASAP. It never ever was..... Now, imagine had he been a newbie to the sport, and not my 17X kid, he would have walked away from BMX. My brand A track 30 minutes away would have never had a chance with him. He and his parents as newbies would have just gone off and found some other activity like soccer to play because in their mind BMX sux.

That is why I care Al. It has nothing to do with ABA vs. NBL. It has to do with paying for a service and not getting what you pay for, versus getting your moneys worth and having a good experience with customer service. It has to do with brand B keeping up their part of the bargain so parents and kids come back and at least want to try my brand A of ice cream, because I work dang hard to deliver day in day out. The NBL TO's out there bust their tail too man, and I can tell ya, it is not them failing. It is their leadership that is. Their leadership is leaving them out there in the cold on the limb all by themselves. I feel so sorry for those dedicated men and women week in, week out giving their all and then being put in a position of having to explain less product, less service, for more money. That is absolutely nutz in todays economy man.

Does Schmick have issues with the delivery of his points, yeah maybe, but it is because he is frustrated by the touchy feely intangibles that the NBL loyalist like Nate throw out as a counter to a perfectly valid point. When the man nails point A, B, and C to the wall, and then Nate expounds that it does not matter just because it is warm and fuzzy and he likes it that way. It defies logic. That is not to say NBL loyalist don't have a right to love the intangible. And, I guess that is cool if you really want the status quo, but if you want this thing to grow, the kids need brand A BMX put in front of them. They deserve the service and professionalism of brand A. I get depressed when time and again I hear from TO's and membership that brand B does not live up to its part of the bargain. It is disheartening

There is an old racing adage ..... lead, follow, or get outta the way, and that is honestly sorta where I am with all this. It is just time for the NBL to figure out how to get outta the way if they ain't gonna figure out how to lead. Someone with a mind for facts, figures, stats, and an in your face attitude that believes in accountability may be what the NBL could use now. Being all political and nice has not worked has it? Honestly bubba think about it.

I'll believe Tim at face value, but that's just me. For the record.

And BTW the ABA ain't perfect either. I admit that freely and they hear it from me every so often. Heck I had to get Curtin to throw stuff at John the other day to get him to do something little, but it did get done..

edited my salty language

Oh and the Hitler thing is just wrong. Don't care who he is or how ticked off ya got. Comparing a man on a freakin' message board to a maniac that killed 6 million plus is just out there. Shalom.

Warren, I really don't dispute your Brand A Brand B analogy. I think its a matter of time but hey, let it take its course.

Besides, ll this talk of the money blah blah blah..Its their money, their sanction....yes I get it but really its theirs. I tend to be suspicious of people who want to take control of "it all" in the name of its good for "all of us". There's usually some underlying greed in there somewhere. Sorry, maybe its because I grew up street smart but seriously, nobody coming from this angle is The "BMX Jesus" here to save the racing masses. There is an agenda. I can't shake that gut feeling. Also, I trust a victory thru a battle of free enterprise more than a psyops campaign. If its a blood ath let it e bloody, the victory is pure and free of dissention within the ranks.

Perhaps that's the US Paratrooper Infantry that's been ingrained in my soul as well...never surrender while you still have the means to fight. Bad as things look, they're still fighting.

Heck, I mostly agree with Schmick on a lot of things but seriously the delivery doesn't cut it. You can't expect respect from those who you give no respect. I know its a joke really but seriously, that is why Schmick on the NBL board is an absurd idea. That is the crux of my position in this thread really.

Warren, I really don't dispute your Brand A Brand B analogy. I think its a matter of time but hey, let it take its course.

Besides, all this talk of the money blah blah blah..Its their money, their sanction....yes I get it but really its theirs. I tend to be suspicious of people who want to take control of "it all" in the name of its good for "all of us". There's usually some underlying greed in there somewhere. Sorry, maybe its because I grew up street smart but seriously, nobody coming from this angle is The "BMX Jesus" here to save the racing masses. There is an agenda. I can't shake that gut feeling. Also, I am more apt to trust a victory thru a battle of free enterprise more than a psyops campaign. If its a blood bath then let it get bloody, the victory is pure and free of dissention within the ranks.

Perhaps that's the US Paratrooper Infantry that's been ingrained in my soul as well...never surrender while you still have the means to fight. Bad as things look, they're still fighting, hence they have the means.

Heck, I mostly agree with Schmick on a lot of things but seriously the delivery doesn't cut it. You can't expect respect from those who you don't respect. I know its a joke really but seriously, that is why Schmick on the NBL board is an absurd idea. That is the crux of my position in this thread really.

I would really like to know if the U.S. has the most riders and are they the country with two sanctions?

+1

I am a BMX realist, NOT a NBL loyalist. I have thrown the NBL under the bus more than a few times, and got yelled at by Tedesco and Erma for it... and I told 'em to their face what is up.
Eh. I just deleted a whole paragraph or two of something that really has me wadded right now dealing with some members of the NBL. I don't think those who were wronged want it aired... so I deleted it.
BUT, this has nothinng to do with the point being discussed. I think. Personal grievances, disagreements with NBL policies, points, Elvis' whole 2 sanction argument, etc.... all this gets lumped together in some sanction war.

I am willing to see E's point on the money being wasted on insurance. I get that. And a good way to keep those greedy insurance people from getting more of our money... i am all for that. The rest of the argument, don't necessarily agree on. There are two different models of BMX going on, and some do like those "intangibles". Choice in that respect IS good.
for over 20 years the NBL system WAS NOT a failed business model, as some on here are proposing. Most of my BMX life, the NBL was viable, growing, and ran smoothly, minus the personal differences here and there, along with minor policy changes that people didn't like. Much like the ABA.
Here in the last 5 years, somehow things have gotten screwed up. People lost sight of what mattered in pursuit of a dream that ws admirable, and a great boon to BMX, but not at the expense of the core program. Then wierd decisions that baffle the mind started being made... and now look where we are. The program itself is still viable, fun, it IS BMX, just NBL bmx. The decision making, and the political part right now is the problem.
I am racing that BMX that I like racing. I will pay roughly the same prices I have always payed... and not that much more than if I raced ABA. I will ride and race the venues that make the most sense for me financially and economically. All this internet drama is just that.

Warren, PM sent.

Best,
Al Ferri

Perhaps it is a bit harsh but this goes back to the old addage "make your bed and lay in it". If you don't wish to be judged unfairly by a group of your peers then perhaps you shouldn't treat them unfairly to begin with. That said, if you started it and counter measures escalate, you asked for it. It may not be accurate and to that I'll agree, but Its hardly unjust. No crocodile tears or the worlds smallest violin playing "My Heart Bleeds For You" here.

Think about this, you smack a snake with a small stick, no serious damage to the snake but now the snake is P.O.ed and it bites you. Seems unfair that Rattler just pumped your veins full of hemotoxin? Afterall, all you wanted to do was sting it, scare it and laugh at it a little bit, no harm, right? Wrong. Too bad, should have respected the snake and left it alone....No The comparison is not too harsh, only innaccurate at best.

Riddler - I did not agree with Schmick on alot of things, his name calling, rudeness, or whatever one may want to call it. And other times I did agree with his facts, and sensible ideas that suggested a solution and not just tearing something down for the sake of it. So I am neither friend nor detractor. I am someone who can consider, evaluate, and then form an opinion.

One of the things I believe you mentioned in this thread was his name calling. well allow me to coin the phrase you used of the pot calling the kettle black as I see you have called me a 'drama queen'. I did indeed read every post and until I mentioned the fact of the comparison of hitler, it was not mentioned. So i ask you, did you read it and if so where am I late? Unless of course you are refering to when someone posted if you use the name hitler in an argument you have already loss. In which case I did not and do not qualify that.

You Sir are a ParaTrooper, I am a Marine (btw i went through jump school at your lovely Ft Benning). I can assure you that there is nothing about me either drama or queen.

I inquired to as what good ideas did the cowardly criminal have, to which I was given no response by either you or the originator. I include you this time as it seemd in one of your replies in this thread you repeated the sentiment of sorts. Although I do not think it was intentional. At the least I seriously hope that it wasnt.

Nonetheless, can you not see the irony in people getiing all worked up over what Schmick says, but these same people wont even bat an eye when someone says hitler had some good ideas.

In closing I say to you, that while our opinions may differ i will respect you enough not to resort to name calling and to take time to consider your point. And although late, I say to you also Happy and blessed Veterans day to you my Brother in Arms. Because thanks to Vets like yourself and I, all people - you, Schmick, and even myself can voice our opinions, And have a right to be heard openly and honestly. without fear of critizism or ridicule or name calling. You know, the things that you said that you disliked Schmick doing. BE well, be Blessed, be BMX'd

Utmost, First Happy Veterans Day (belated). I hope you had a nice time. I ran into a guy who retired a few yrs after mine had started...and now I'm retired. That meant a lot, he was someone who taught me something that was valueable. lso, I will say you are too kind if you use the words lovely and Ft. Benning in the same sentence. LOL! Anyway I only spent the first 12yrs in the Army. The last 8yrs were Air Force but that's another story.

Next, I'm sorry about the drama queen thing but seriously. a little more attention to detail will reveal to you that people already expressed outrage/concern/disdain in posts #3 #4 #7#8 #9 #17 #18. Number 17 or 18 was Thumperpilot who basically mentioned Eurohero's post and the nature of Nate, His was more of a nuetral position. Don't fault him for that, he's an ABA Employee, makes good business sense not to touch this one...Really he's good people. Read these posts and you will understand you are not the first and only person up until that point to be appalled. They just didn't post dramatic angr face emoticans and yell at people for ignoring it. If you read these above mentioned posts and still don't believe it, then all I can say is test your reading and comprehension skills. That said you were calling people out for ignoring it and that was a false assasination of teir character...a little dramatic don't you think? I certainly do.

As for Your Question about Hitler I don't know of good ideas unless the Volkswagon counts, but its too miniscule an idea for me to care about really. I'd like to credit him for the military machine that Germany had, they were certainly an enemy worthy of respect for their battlefield prowess. Unfortunately I don't credit Hitler, I credit his Generals for building this force. You will have to ask WoodyBMX about the good Ideas...I took it as sarcasm but that's just me. My references were comparison to being a crappy person and quite honestly exaggerated and "busting chops"...If you tell me its no laughing matter in the name of political correctness well heck, I'm laughing, don't expect me to run for office anytime soon.

As for differing opinions no issues here. see it all the time on this board and certainly in life. Easy to deal with. It is the delivery as mentioned earlier. As for the right to express ideas freely, freedom of speech no problem with that, just know that chances are if you go around expressing your ideas freely and they differ from someone elses, then you need to expect the people you who oppose your thoughts to exercise their freedom of speech in counter to your freely expressed ideas. A debate, afterall, they have the same freedom of speech. Now Express those thoughts in a deliberately hostile/offensive manner and insight a riot or whatever, don't be surprised if you're charged with insighting a riot. If you think your rights are being trampled then get a lawyer. The bottom line to that is simple, While you do have the right to freedom of speech, it doesn't necessarily mean you have the right to be free of the consequences of your speech...If you offend people, don't expect them to elect you as their leader may be one of the least of consequences. Also don't be surprised if they retaliate with an escalated response (They might call you Hitler).

As for "The Irony" of people getting worked up over Hitler Vs Schmick, read the above mentioned posts and you'll see they were worked up before you. I was the one who will tell you didn't get worked up. My thoughts are that if you provoke people and their response is an escalated retort to yours (i.e. Schmick gets compared to Hitler) Then he shouldn't have provoked it. Read a few posts above this one and see what I said about taunting a snake and getting snake bitten...Be responsible be accountable. That being said people were appalled at Schmick Being called Hitler. While I did not and/do not call him Hitler "I" for one am not appalled and DO NOT apologize for not being appalled. I strongly view this as Schmick bringing this onto himself and its the price of doing "Schmick-like" business. Let Schmick be accountable for the outrage he stirs in his victims heart. That being said, I'm accountable for not caring that someone compares him to Hitler and refuse to display shock, Dismay and outrage because for every action is a reaction...If anyone thinks this is unfair of me then throw me to the wolves.

Its getting late, not sure if I answered everything but gave it my best before bed. In closing True I may not agree with you on everything either, but you do have my respect.

Take care.

V/r,
Al Ferri

He was instrumental in creating the Autobahn.

Just sayin'.

Points well expressed and taken even more so.
You have just made my list of the people who I look forward to meeting at a National one day because they're cool. There's also another list too hee hee hee .
Anyway, have a good one and thanks for the enlightenment - James "The Snoop" Williams

I look forward to meeting you James!

I get sick of reading about him beating the subject into the ground about the nbl, one of the reasons i left news alone. not only does he hate the nbl he hates rookies anyont that dont agree with him . He is a turd that needs to be flushed.
He needs to get over the girl that broke his heart!! AND MOVE ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+1

This stuff is starting to remind of two gangs going at it. All this yelling and screaming that your gang is better, while the rest of the neighborhood wonders what is wrong with you frickin morons? I am so tired of all this gang related activity such as tagging cars and bikes and what not with your gangs stickers, and one gang impeding on another gangs turf. It just sickens me! Lets stop this before the first aba nbl drive by takes place. The 2010 bloods(nbl) vs. crips(aba)

+2

Agreed, that guy infects just about every BMX racing forum around. News became unreadable, same thing almost happened here. To tell the TRUTH there is even a smaller forum that I really enjoyed reading thats under attack with an assumed name but same old spew. There are plenty of things I don't like but I don't feel the need to constantly rant and rave about it.

I've taken some time away from BMX the last few months to do some other things when I start checking the forums again same crap. Maybe I should check back again in a few months.

Pretty much what I've been saying all along. Just tired of hearing the crap slinging to the NBL, and lets not even get into the one sanction Kumbaya Psyops campaign....The arrogance of thinking somebody should just give up what they rightfully own without a fight is most entertaining of all. But really, stop acting so entitled to have it. If you want it fight for the market share.

Heck, We say its in the name of making the sport bigger, yeah whatever. The arrogance of this position changed my mine, I like it small and cult like. So what now? How do you motivate tose of us who are turned against the commercialization move? Ironically I'm not even sure if I'll even end up at another NBL race because of their BS but seriously this one sanction arrogance is a huge turn off. Chances are you'll find me at more ABA races as of lately than NBL...So with that said don't put me on one side or the other.

I'm becoming equally dissapointed. The choices are becoming clear to me. On one hand I can choose incompetent management...self explainatory, on the other arrogant entitlement.

Let me ask you this, if One sanctioners feel it is their entitled right to take over, how do you think they will treat you if/when they do? I'm not feeling that Utopia is nestled in one sanction. Think about it. Same folks thrash one sanction and all of a sudden bring you a one sanction Kumbaya proposal like the BMX Massiah in hopes of owning the whole kit and kabootle? Seriously, no trust here for that one.

Yep, time to ride MTB and be secluded in the wood line for a while, no sanctioned races/groups just ride and take a winter break. Let BMX kill itself with two brands of stupidity.

This is why Soccer will continue to prevail.

False analogy, Internets hyperbole alarm. If there's "arrogance," as you state, it's because you're attributing it, not that it's there.

We got hard numbers to support your incompetence, the rest is just some more chip-on-shoulder stuff that's keeping things from moving forward.

In fact, against my earlier, I'll add that the people who simply will stop at nothing to support the current two-sanction system are bad for BMX.

Yeah, that's what I said. You're willing to spend craptons of money every year because you like a rulebook. Way to go.

No, not false analogy, just the truth. The One Sanctioners don'town all of the assets ,its not their business if another sanction wants to exists in a society that allows freedom of monopolization. It sure isn't the One sanctioner's business what the other one decides to do with their own money as in not yours. so too bad about wanting what's theirs...again, not yours to do with what you want to do with it. To think that is your entitled right is arrogant.

For whoever says its the rulebook then sure whatever. That's the silly part I never said it was the rulebook, its about having that choice. its about not trusting people who talk bad of one sanction for years and then all of a sudden say "give up, let us take it over". and change demeanor from Being asolutely "Us vs. Them" to "Kumbaya United Brotherly Love as Long as you give up what you own to us" Yeah, not about a rulebook at all in that one, just a strong gut feeling that says its not very good idea to trust this. Seriously, to go from Disgust with a group to look at said group and say "I can help, my motive are pure, just give up all of your assets is funny...especially after the Hostile takeover attempt that failed 4-5 yrs ago...Sure, it wasn't hostile..whatever, That's why The NBL Had a civil settlement to stop it, Oh but we didn't hear about how that set the ABA back $$....The Evil Darol Carr thwarted that attempt as well.

Yep, I don't trust it, yep you'll say I want a rulebook and a special gate and not aknowledge that for some feelings of distrust are inadequately addressed in this venture...In fact its abeter idea to keep be-littling those who distrust by saying its "Only" about the rulebook, when its not, Yep, To sell an Idea don't listen to the prospect's true objections, just fixate on smokescreen objections and belittle the prospect...interesting sales technique.

Oh, I'm sure you'll say this lawsuit that prevented the ABA from Buying out the NBL against their will never happened...Okay, whatever blah, blah, blah talking head speak...

Seriously, You have my real objections and I'm certain that others have that same concern for trust, So please overcome stop chasing smoke screen objections like a rulebook and address the real one...why should we trust such a moove...which is different from the benefits of insurance $. I can't spell out anymore clear than that.

Anyway congratulations Schmick! You won. Several pages nearing 100 posts on a thread about you even after being banned. Yes I had my part in that big time...again Congratulations, I'm sure you're lurking.

Schmick doesnt know anything about the NBL. He has some good points about things in BMX. Plus him being on a board, I dont know if he would know how to work with other people. If he had a bettter understanding Of howthe NBL worked he could maybe contribute. In the end we shouldn't be building his ego by riducluos posts like this.

+1

It would be like Obama going to the GOP

From Schmick


My first proposal would be to let the west coast tracks go to the ABA, the NBL is shooting itsself in the foot by trying to have a satelite west coast program. They have a base support area and thats on the east coast and in the mid east. They need to make those programs stronger, bring those track directors together and train them to toe the party line and give them not just the umbrella of the NBL but the know how to help their programs grow. Then they need to start working their way west with the next state directly to the west, not jump the whole center of the country because they want to get to the west coast, that removes their credibility. To be National you have to pertain to the whole nation not just the east coast, mid east and a slight sprinkling on the west coast.


Just saying