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Vonderahe
Nov 18 2009, 09:56 PM

Have a great evening everyone!
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I thought you were going to bed.....
bmxmom1995
Nov 18 2009, 09:56 PM
WOW !
Deanna
Nov 18 2009, 09:58 PM
Ha-Ha Lisa,
I keep changing directions. I have the day off tomorrow so it's all good.
MeredithJL
Nov 18 2009, 09:58 PM
QUOTE (Deanna @ Nov 18 2009, 10:44 PM) *
Merideth, (sp: Meredith)
Thanks for pointing that out. Keep digging. sarcastic_hand.gif You are also pretty consistant (sp: consistent) in not knowing the facts as you proved once again. Why are you so intrigued about what I have to say? Afterall (run on: After all)you said yourself you had to go back to past threads I posted about to realize I said nothing like you protrayed (sp: portrayed) me to have said. Do yourself a favor (grammar: insert semicolon here) if your (grammar...AGAIN: you're)continuing to get worked up about what I say and delete aka befriend (incorrect context) me on here too. Oh (grammar: insert comma here) and have a great life. sarcastic_blum.gif


I'm not particularly intrigued by anything you say because it's you saying it, but I can't help it: I'm Irish and I'm a New Yorker. And I'm an NBL racer. So either I go out and get myself arrested, or I stay home and address your inherent lack of grace and full-on inability to NOT respond.

We need to talk about your spelling and grammar again....I've corrected the above for you in order that you may print it out and use it as a reference for future attacks.

Now. Put down those Cheeto's and give it another try! And best of luck with that Hall of Fame nomination...again...next year....You'll get there! Sooner or later, they'll HAVE to let you in!

Edited to include additional corrections of original post....;D
MIKEKW
Nov 18 2009, 10:01 PM
and the hits just keep on coming popcorm1.gif
The Riddler Al-F
Nov 18 2009, 10:04 PM
Shoot it only took a couple hundred posts for this thing to get good huh?

Girlfight girlfight girlfightgirlfight!!!!!


popcorm1.gif

EDIT: I forgot to say "Schmick". Gotta keep this thing right you know...
lumpy
Nov 18 2009, 10:07 PM
Hmm... If the best you can do is go after grammar and spelling errors, then your Internet Kung-Fu surely needs much work...

Now, let us meditate on that...

Oooommmmmm.... Oooooommmmmm

Brian
Deanna
Nov 18 2009, 10:13 PM
QUOTE
I'm not particularly intrigued by anything you say because it's you saying it, but I can't help it: I'm Irish and I'm a New Yorker. And I'm an NBL racer. So either I go out and get myself arrested, or I stay home and address your inherent lack of grace and full-on inability to NOT respond.


Whatever you say MERIDETH. I'm Irish too. Not a New Yorker but we are both proving this to be the thread to view tonight. I'm guessing Mike's not happy and may lock it soon but you must be used to that by now giving your history on here.

Sorry about this Mike but I didn't start the mud slinging and obviously have to have the last word like anybody with my Irish heritiage.

Snackbar, can you please pass the chips?
MeredithJL
Nov 18 2009, 10:14 PM
QUOTE (lumpy @ Nov 18 2009, 11:07 PM) *
Hmm... If the best you can do is go after grammar and spelling errors, then your Internet Kung-Fu surely needs much work...

Now, let us meditate on that...

Oooommmmmm.... Oooooommmmmm

Brian


It's not the best by a long shot. You just got here late. But hey: I don't want to impede the great progress that's been made in your thread. I know there are still a lot of hairs left to be split and ego's waiting to be self-inflated, so I'll just let myself out the back door...That is where you want us NBL racers to enter and exit, am I right?? sun_bespectacled.gif
D-C
Nov 18 2009, 10:18 PM
guess you'll have to wait a few more days D, me arms aint long enough
lumpy
Nov 18 2009, 10:20 PM
I have read the thread... Most of your shots that you started with were weak. Only then after Deanna shot holes in those did you resort to going after spelling and grammar...

Sorry sweetie, but if you go back to the beginning of this thread, you will clearly see it isn't mine...

Brian
obsessive
Nov 18 2009, 10:46 PM
did you just call her "sweetie"? Oh no you didn't!!!!
Kevin Harlow
Nov 18 2009, 10:59 PM
Okay,

But who's voting for Schmick???????????????????
bighead
Nov 19 2009, 04:17 AM
QUOTE (Elvis @ Nov 18 2009, 08:28 PM) *
Nice post D.

So, I'm thinking, maybe we're looking at this all wrong. It's not what's wrong, what's different, what's in conflict. It's what's right, what's shared and what's in commonality.

I know I let myself slip into the "your sanction sucks mode," and maybe others in this thread have as well. I regret it, as it keeps anything useful from happening. That's not productive and counter to the goals of a growth strategy for the sport. It's not the exclusion, it's the inclusion, in other words.

/joke
For example, some of y'all are idiots. There should be room for idiots in this brighter tomorrow.
/joke

But seriously folks: It's not what's wrong, it's what can be more right. It's not like we're that far apart on anything, after all. And with that, I'm thinking the conflict in this thing is the less positive don't see a compelling reason to/for change. (Which, I'll admit, is befuddling given the numbers.)

I'm just throwing it out there, it's not like teh Internets is a good place to work out the details of something like this after all. It takes adults face-to-face to get into the hard issues we keep bringing up.

But look, we're all BMX. BMX isn't that different regardless of whose database it's on. I'm saying there's more common than uncommon ground, yes?


Decent post Elvis. I am a optomist though, not one of the "less positive". I liked what the NBL used to be and enjoy the current race set-up and racing 3 motos and so forth. Knowing the people I know and keeping in the loop, I feel that the NBL is getting turned around and can get going in the right direction.

Does that mean that if the ABA were the only sanction that I would continue to work to make bmx grow and take part in it ? Darn straight!

This thread got WAAAAAAY out of hand!
bighead
Nov 19 2009, 04:24 AM
QUOTE (Ken Pliska @ Nov 18 2009, 10:29 PM) *
I have been around BMX racing since the mid 1970s and I cannot remember a time that NBL was the dominant sanction. Seriously, in many of these NBL v ABA debates, many of the NBL faithful toss this around as fact. The only times I really did not pay attention to BMX racing was in the very early 1990s when I was driving race cars, raising my young kids and working non-stop in my business. Honestly, did I miss something back then?



Mid to late 80's and maybe early 90's because of the ABA reorganization after backruptcy. Just about all the tracks on the east coast switched over to NBL in the mid 80's due to the bankruptcy. Sorry......just a little history to go along with the drama.... popcorm1.gif
OLDSMARBMX
Nov 19 2009, 05:37 AM
QUOTE (Deanna @ Nov 18 2009, 10:55 PM) *
She's older and I don't race NBL Brian. Besides she's too worried about me taking her out. Me being the dirty rider that I am and all that. diablo.gif



Only you Snackbar, Only you. drinks.gif



Love that snackbar nickname!


John
sandbagger4life
Nov 19 2009, 05:51 AM
QUOTE (MeredithJL @ Nov 18 2009, 09:58 PM) *
Put down those Cheeto's and give it another try!


Why are you hating on Cheeto's?
OLDSMARBMX
Nov 19 2009, 06:13 AM
QUOTE (sandbagger4life @ Nov 19 2009, 06:51 AM) *
Why are you hating on Cheeto's?



I could possibly see the puffys but not the chunchy!


John
MikeCarruth
Nov 19 2009, 07:09 AM
The puff is a perfect analogy for this thread. Read all 11 pages! It's guaranteed to have your MENSA card revoked!
FNSRACING
Nov 19 2009, 07:26 AM
QUOTE (Kevin Harlow @ Nov 18 2009, 10:59 PM) *
Okay,

But who's voting for Schmick???????????????????


this is turning to be one of the longest rants about nothing, why do we still discuss the one we dont talk about ( the only one i know that has been removed from this playground) ask yourself why
he was removed and why this thread keeps going.
If the girls are going to fight can it be a tickle fight ! LOL
bmxnews123452
Nov 19 2009, 11:17 AM
dang picture didnt work.
Bill Hayden
Nov 19 2009, 11:31 AM
Looks like we are headed for this

JW
Nov 19 2009, 12:50 PM
QUOTE
why do we still discuss the one we dont talk about ( the only one i know that has been removed from this playground)


Don't kid yourself, plenty of others have been removed.

Laughing about this thread last night with Jeremy, then he had to explain the whole thing to VanKammen...

Haven't all of the NBL folks been telling Schmick to do something positive for bmx? Like join the NBL, and work towards building the program?
What better way to prove that he could (or not) be positive for the NBL, than to put him in a place to actually help get things done.

QUOTE
Okay,
But who's voting for Schmick???????????????????


I'm not NBL, only because the ABA is what's going on in So CA., but I'd vote for Schmick, if I could, of course...

JW
F.O.S.
ReedRothchild
Nov 19 2009, 01:04 PM
QUOTE (lumpy @ Nov 18 2009, 09:47 PM) *
Who's taking the bets on the Deanna vs. Meredith gruge race?

Brian



I would like some odds before I place my bet
wacko2.gif but I'm in on that action
OLDSMARBMX
Nov 19 2009, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (Bill Hayden @ Nov 19 2009, 12:31 PM) *
Looks like we are headed for this




That's how they take care of things here in FL.


John
FNSRACING
Nov 19 2009, 02:07 PM
QUOTE (JW @ Nov 19 2009, 12:50 PM) *
Don't kid yourself, plenty of others have been removed.

Laughing about this thread last night with Jeremy, then he had to explain the whole thing to VanKammen...

Haven't all of the NBL folks been telling Schmick to do something positive for bmx? Like join the NBL, and work towards building the program?
What better way to prove that he could (or not) be positive for the NBL, than to put him in a place to actually help get things done.



I'm not NBL, only because the ABA is what's going on in So CA., but I'd vote for Schmick, if I could, of course...

JW
F.O.S.

I read a lot of the crap he put on the news page it not just the nbl but other crap , he wants to fix the problem then step up to the plate and stop bashing everything from rookies, nag#, plates ECT
nothing positive ever
shortdog
Nov 19 2009, 02:10 PM
Isn't this Schmick guy banned, or did I miss something?

He must've really ruffled some feathers for a thread to be over 200 replies over a person that's not even on the board! He's a popular individual! ohmy.gif
Deanna
Nov 19 2009, 02:41 PM
In the beginning years of Vintage we used to have the Thread of the Year award. I am voting this one to be it. Nothing else compares.

NBL/ABA Drama.
Clips are mentioned.
Schmick get his own thread and a challenge to go for a seat on the NBL Board.
and something that has never been reached before on Vintage in my time. Girl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl Fight.

Yeah, you get the picture..... Did I mention there was a Girl Fight?!? drinks.gif

I really need to start playing more Rugby to get my aggression out... angel.png
Todd E
Nov 19 2009, 02:46 PM
The ABA national schedule is to airports what the NBL national schedule is to interstates. It's all good no matter if your seat is a mile high enroute or if your seat is exit after exit enroute.

Elvis' thread where he mentioned trimming his nose hairs is the thread of the year. biggrin.gif
JW
Nov 19 2009, 02:48 PM
QUOTE
stop bashing everything from rookies, nag#, plates ECT


Schmick's never bashed rookies. National plates for rookies, yes, but then again, he's not the only one to do so.
OLDSMARBMX
Nov 19 2009, 02:51 PM
QUOTE (Deanna @ Nov 19 2009, 03:41 PM) *
In the beginning years of Vintage we used to have the Thread of the Year award. I am voting this one to be it. Nothing else compares.

NBL/ABA Drama.
Clips are mentioned.
Schmick get his own thread and a challenge to go for a seat on the NBL Board.
and something that has never been reached before on Vintage in my time. Girl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl Fight.

Yeah, you get the picture..... Did I mention there was a Girl Fight?!? drinks.gif

I really need to start playing more Rugby to get my aggression out... angel.png


How about the Cheetos and snackbar stuff that was great!


John
WABBIT
Nov 19 2009, 02:52 PM
let him run .hes a smart guy . a little hard to take for some but hear him out . what im not understanding is whats so bad about nbl? its growing in ga. aba has 2 tracks wtf.i like both . i hope both do well
BS
Nov 19 2009, 03:40 PM
QUOTE (JW @ Nov 19 2009, 12:48 PM) *
Schmick's never bashed rookies.

...but if he did I hope he would use this:
BigJeff
Nov 19 2009, 03:57 PM
Schmick has the right to voice his outlook on racing and the ABA vs NBL stuff......................If the system in the NBL was better we wouldn't have Novice and Rookie fighting about racing Nationals..........All my input in this matter is in reference to the National level racing only.....I'm out BigJeff
bmxnews123452
Nov 19 2009, 04:00 PM
QUOTE (Deanna @ Nov 19 2009, 03:41 PM) *
In the beginning years of Vintage we used to have the Thread of the Year award. I am voting this one to be it. Nothing else compares.

NBL/ABA Drama.
Clips are mentioned.
Schmick get his own thread and a challenge to go for a seat on the NBL Board.
and something that has never been reached before on Vintage in my time. Girl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl Fight.

Yeah, you get the picture..... Did I mention there was a Girl Fight?!? drinks.gif

I really need to start playing more Rugby to get my aggression out... angel.png

i hope your kidding on that this should be thread of the year.
Kevin Harlow
Nov 19 2009, 04:30 PM
QUOTE (Deanna @ Nov 19 2009, 08:41 PM) *
In the beginning years of Vintage we used to have the Thread of the Year award. I am voting this one to be it. Nothing else compares.

NBL/ABA Drama.
Clips are mentioned.
Schmick get his own thread and a challenge to go for a seat on the NBL Board.
and something that has never been reached before on Vintage in my time. Girl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl FightGirl Fight.

Yeah, you get the picture..... Did I mention there was a Girl Fight?!? drinks.gif

I really need to start playing more Rugby to get my aggression out... angel.png



Okay.................but can we mix in some slingshot / random gate drama for a well rounded thread?
Jon Rotten
Nov 19 2009, 04:47 PM
I think BS has a whole library of stupid bs that may come in handy some day......time and time again
BS
Nov 19 2009, 05:26 PM
QUOTE (Jon Rotten @ Nov 19 2009, 02:47 PM) *
stupid bs

How could you say such a thing?!?!
Deanna
Nov 19 2009, 05:54 PM
QUOTE (bmxnews123452 @ Nov 19 2009, 05:00 PM) *
i hope your kidding on that this should be thread of the year.



Nope you obviously haven't been around on VintageBMX Richie.

Drama creates the best threads...... That and Girl fights good2.gif
sandbagger4life
Nov 19 2009, 07:03 PM
QUOTE (OLDSMARBMX @ Nov 19 2009, 06:13 AM) *
I could possibly see the puffys but not the chunchy!


John

So true, puffy cheeto's are lame. Flaming Hot Cheeto's rule. diablo.gif
Just don't forget to wash your hands before you use the bathroom. ohmy.gif
Bill Hayden
Nov 19 2009, 07:08 PM
Did someone say slingshot, what a girl fight this will be !!!





Now it's thread of the year material
Vonderahe
Nov 19 2009, 07:33 PM
Ok, I am going to throw it out there if no one else will....


Deanna and Meredith,
Would you both be willing to race a best 2 out of 3 moto grudge race at the grands to help promote girls bmx. Maybe a mini fund raiser?



Who here on the Vintage community would like to see an event like this happen?

Who here on Vintage would rather see a "tickle fight" with Deanna and Meredith or "Bear knuckles boxing"?


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protour77
Nov 19 2009, 08:03 PM
QUOTE (Vonderahe @ Nov 19 2009, 08:33 PM) *
Ok, I am going to throw it out there if no one else will....


Deanna and Meredith,
Would you both be willing to race a best 2 out of 3 moto grudge race at the grands to help promote girls bmx. Maybe a mini fund raiser?

Awesome, awesome, awesome idea!!!!!
AirportFF
Nov 19 2009, 08:13 PM
QUOTE (Vonderahe @ Nov 19 2009, 08:33 PM) *
Deanna and Meredith,
Would you both be willing to race a best 2 out of 3 moto grudge race at the grands to help promote girls bmx. Maybe a mini fund raiser?


The best idea I've seen on this site in a very long time. good2.gif

But just so you know Meredith raced all 3 classes at the NBL (never before lunch) Grands. Finished Nat 2 on cruiser, made the semi in 17 & over ladies, and 4th in the 30 & over ladies open main. Not too shabby for only getting back on a bike 3 months before the Grands. She may have done better if she didn't waste so much energy sneaking into the parking lot for smoke breaks. sarcastic_hand.gif
RBIGroup
Nov 19 2009, 08:57 PM
Just to add to what Colin, Deanna, George, and many others have said about the difference between the two, I can remember back when I was on the NBL board, the question was asked "why do the ABA amatures come over and seem to always beat our riders", Jason Richardson answered and said, "because it is a difference in mindset, they are bred that way and will do what it takes" or something like that..... He got several evil eye from almost everyone in the room.... But, in another thread, a NBL TD said this:

QUOTE
If for no other reason there seems to be a Cultural difference: The IMO, ABA breeds more aggressive racers (and forum posters ), while the NBL is more laid-back, some may say family-oriented. Is this bad? No, it just seems to have evolved that way.


This guy is a part of a great state program and sees the difference, it is nothing to be ashamed of, but it is the truth....


Buntster
UTZbmx
Nov 19 2009, 09:19 PM
QUOTE (RBIGroup @ Nov 19 2009, 09:57 PM) *
Just to add to what Colin, Deanna, George, and many others have said about the difference between the two, I can remember back when I was on the NBL board, the question was asked "why do the ABA amatures come over and seem to always beat our riders", Jason Richardson answered and said, "because it is a difference in mindset, they are bred that way and will do what it takes" or something like that..... He got several evil eye from almost everyone in the room.... But, in another thread, a NBL TD said this:



This guy is a part of a great state program and sees the difference, it is nothing to be ashamed of, but it is the truth....


Buntster

I agree with Bunster on this. ABA expert level racing is on another level. I think it maybe the tranfer system. I do not know. The kids are quicker and more agressive.
NBL has more technical/scary fasrt tracks (Nashville and south park) but maybe the easier tracks help with aggression. I am not sure but there is a difference.
This does not make an NBL national less fun it is just different. I think what goes down at Lousville on Labor day weekend is just as big a part of BMX as Tulsa on Thanksgiving.
I really like both sanctions.
I just wish the NBL would keep the state series, the regionals, and locals all separate in ponts. It is lame that an expert can use regional points from a race that is not deep with talent as a national score. While an expert running both sanctions misses the regional to race the deeper talent pool at an ABA race. Oh yea stop plating Noivs and rookies beyond regional plates in the NBL.
MeredithJL
Nov 19 2009, 09:40 PM
QUOTE (Vonderahe @ Nov 19 2009, 08:33 PM) *
Ok, I am going to throw it out there if no one else will....


Deanna and Meredith,
Would you both be willing to race a best 2 out of 3 moto grudge race at the grands to help promote girls bmx. Maybe a mini fund raiser?

Hey, that's funny that rugby was mentioned. I used to play rugby, but then someone told me that all the women who played were either lesbians or closet lesbians, so I quit. I liked being tackled a weeeeee bit too much! Ah yeah, good times....

So anyways: a race? I'm not sure about that, what with my age and my sanction affiliation...hmmmm....but if I had recently gotten an ABA license, and I was tossing around the idea of sandbagging at the Grands, I could probably see myself being willing to race Big D. I have only one request. An EMT squad needs to be present as well as a police officer (in case I need to file assault charges after the race is run.) Oh yeah: one more thing....the loser has to wear a white fur bikini for the remainder of the weekend. I'm down with that, and I have the hat to match! Ho Ho Ho!!


Who here on the Vintage community would like to see an event like this happen?

Who here on Vintage would rather see a "tickle fight" with Deanna and Meredith or "Bear knuckles boxing"?

No tickling. See above comment regarding lesbians and rugby.
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bmxnews123452
Nov 19 2009, 09:48 PM
i think the aba riders being better might have a lot to do as to where they live. i looked at last years aba grands expert results quick and the majority of the riders seem to be from California or Texas. which makes tons of sense. it seems those two states breed overall the best athletes. ex: where are most of the nations top high school football teams there in ca and texas.

im not making excuses in anyway and i know all states can produce great riders but it just seems something in the gene pool of people in ca and texas breed great riders.
MIKEKW
Nov 19 2009, 10:03 PM
There is a lot more to it then gene pool. Longer riding seasons. Drier conditions out west. Maybe more support on tracks and trails. Also more sponsers on the west cost. southern Cali
RBIGroup
Nov 19 2009, 10:12 PM
QUOTE
There is a lot more to it then gene pool. Longer riding seasons. Drier conditions out west. Maybe more support on tracks and trails. Also more sponsers on the west cost. southern Cali


Could be some of it.... But FLA has some of the best tracks and weather, so I do not think that is all of it.... I am involved with riders from all over and have been to ABA and NBL races on every level for years and I always said there is something different about the ABA rider.... I will say this, you (anyone) come out with something that will (in many minds out there) make a rider better, the ABA rider/parent will have 2 of them, no matter the cost... When I get approached or an email from a NBL rider about our frames, some where in there they ask for a break on the price, where as, in the ABA, they ask how much I tell them and they are, ok cool....
I bet George C and many others will say the samething....


Buntster
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