http://www.sebikes.com/home.aspx

I'm not seeing an aluminum team race quad on there ??

like about 80% of the color schemes.....

hey!

i cant wait for the "pk ripper" road bike!

it'll go perfectly with my "pk ripper" tea towell and my "pk ripper" bath robe with matching slippers!

when will the "pk ripper" patio and barbecue set be dropping??

is it true that theres a Mcdonalds V's SE racing collaboration "McRipper burger"


lol,

whatever was "bmx" at SE racing is long dead.

any heritage or dignity the old company had has gone,

R.I.P SE racing.

I like the new Floval. No framesets?

Loading sloooowly. The suspense is killing me.

Ewwe. Glad I picked up an '09 PK Ripper looptail before they're gone. The '10 is .... fugly.

Floval frame st is listed under the "flyer" section

Those are some ugly color schemes. I agree. Is SE going to "jump the shark" now?

If you ask me, BMX in general "jumped the shark" long ago with clip pedals, hard as cement tracks, girl jeans being a fashion statement, and "mega ramps".

I think BMX riders should just quit now and get into extreme cake eating.

I'm not sayin' I love all the colors of the 2010 line, but at least it isn't black on black boring.

If you don't like this year's colors, then wait 'till next year, or buy an older model. Or paint it yourself. No one is forcing us to buy anything.

I also like the idea of my favorite SE models being available in different sizes.

I will be adding the 26" Quad ( love the color combo, btw) and the Big Ripper to my stable this year.

Maybe a new 24" Quad is in my future, too.

Like my daughter's favorite collectable states...

Ugly means unique...

Which 2010 loop PK are you talking about? The metal wrap?? I think the gold/brown color combo is the BOMB!!! To each his own I guess.....

I like this attitude. Personally I think much of the 2010 line is a little gimmicky. I couldn't tell you what The Hundreds or Crooks and Castles even are. And it's technically interesting, but that $100 bill wrap bike is just gross .

The 20" looptail Quad frameset is freaking awesome, though.

Buut... those are just my opinions. I appreciate what Todd is doing for the sport/hobby and I admire the company for letting him take design risks. Bold colors and alternative finishes are the two big ones this year. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but they can never be accused of selling a boring product.

Oh, and there's the fact that it's 2009 and you can get a Quadangle in any size you want. How rad is that?

Seriously, how do they apply that $100 bill finish?

I think the only true hideous bike in the 10 line is the Money print OM. I like the Yellow OM, The red 24" Quad, The polished So Cal, and the White Big Ripper.

that white / green 20" quad is SO SICK...im gonna have to start saving my pennies.
the msrp is 850?..ouch.

I was referring to the metal wrap.... hadn't noticed the gold/brown.

Yeah, I've seen a few people point to the 100 dollar bill OM as the obvious choice for "ugly."

Personally, I dig the green and gold components on the white frame. I really dig the green tires and chain. The $100 bill graphics is what throws me. It just doesn't appeal to my sensibilities.

I dig the 20" Quad for the same reasons. If IT came with the green tires, I would have ordered one already. Heck, I may just have to get one anyway!

I've decided I will chose only two completes this year...

I'm leaning toward the 20" loop Quad, and away from the Big Ripper cuz the color scheme is similiar to my '07 OM.

The 26" Quad is a given for me.

While I'm not crazy about the money graphic, but the woodgrain is insanely cool. I hope Todd continues to do different wraps in the future, at least one per year.

Well I guess I'm the odd one as I like the money wrap OM and it's a future purchase.

Not quite. I was hoping for a 29er Quad. But a 26 will do for now

Loving the color schemes on the 20 inch Quad and Ripper.
I don't quite get this bit:
"All New 100% CR-MO Landing Gear, w/ Internally Threaded Steerer Tube"

But whoever "Hundreds" are... they've wasted the kudos of "The world's first 26 inch P.K. Ripper" with that fugly black & white "statement". It looks like the kind of thing that Apple Mac-loving, graphic-designing, hipster wannabees have been doing to fixed-gear bikes the last few years.
Tasteless and O.T.T.
But nothing that couldn't be fixed with a respray and all new parts

I was guessing it means that there is no need for a star nut anymore. I could be wrong, tho.

A lot of companies now have the "welding in starnut" in their forks. I like it as it saves from buying a stem lock.

I'm DIGGIN the 26" Quad. I wish they would offer it as a frameset as well as a complete.

I'm not big on the design of that one, but I'm more dismayed that The Hundreds and Crooks and Castles are both urban hipster d-bag fashion companies.

I had to Google.

With a decal/seat/tire swap, that Crooks Cruiser would be a NICE looking bike though.

I'm holding out for the '11 Ed Hardy Cruiser. Jon Gosselin and I will go out riding with our matching giant CZ earrings.

I'm holding out for the '11 Ed Hardy Cruiser. Jon Gosselin and I will go out riding with our matching giant CZ earrings.
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Thats funny. Almost got Dr. Pepper in my nose.

I am definitely not a fan of the new school bikes that all look the same. I like that SE is trying to be different and there is nothing wrong with trying use different colors. However, SE could give us a few bikes with the "fugly" color schemes and a few with traditional "old school" color schemes like red/gold or blue/gold or chrome/insert any color. That is my only complaint.

The Hundreds PK Ripper reminds me of my old Huffy 626 12-speed. Exactly the same color scheme, except the Huffy didn't have white tires in the back. I thought it looked cool, which is why I wanted that Huffy BITD, but now it just kind of reminds me of that cheap bike.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/huffy%2...IMG_0004-43.jpg

I also don't quite understand the point of a 26-inch Ripper, when the OM has always been the 26-incher in the SE line.

Please don't take this as a rip on the overall SE line. I like SE bikes, for the most part. This year, there are some ugly colors, and some that aren't so bad. It's like that pretty much every year. It's like Capt. Nemo said, if you don't like the colors this year, wait until next!

Cool stuff goin' on over at SE.

Yeah very killer stuff!

Definitely some unique color schemes goin on for 2010. For me the real gem is the Lil Ripper. Blue/white and chrome is SE for me. I'll be picking this one up once my 4 yr old once he kicks the training wheels.

I dont like them!

Why didnt SE/Todd ask some questions on this forum before going down this route?

Surely between us we have built/brought enough retro bikes between us to pass on GOOD advice?

DINGO

I really like the 24"quad and the 20"pk. I really,really like 20"pk. I'll probably purchase the 20"pk.

I think the whole 2010 lineup is great. The 2008 pk frameset is what got me back into BMX. I built that retro up planning to race it. After the BMX bug fully set in my system I began building a new school racer dream bike. Now, several thousand dollars later I have a 20" and 24" racers built to the nines that I take to the track every chance I get and a 2008 26" om Flyer grocery getter/kid puller . My boys are 4 and 2 years old and will be racing partners soon enough. Thanks to Todd and SE the BMX industry has a new family supporting the business. It's guys like Todd (and many, many others) that are really helping the sport. Rob.

Love the 24 Quad complete!!

These mixed reviews are to be expected, I would guess. I'm sure Todd has read or will read this thread. Keep in mind that SE has offered such a wide selection to appeal to everyones taste. While some may like the color schemes, others don't. It's marketing folks. I'm not a fan of all the colors and models but some are just beautiful. In fact I am aiming for one of the 26" DC Quads. Personally I don't like the yellow, my Torker is yellow....that's enough yellow for me. But it is a cromoly 26" looptail quad that is in production. I have been waiting for one to come from SE and I know I will completely change the way the yellow one looks....plus I wear vans. Just like the money wrap OM Flyer, a few of you think it's ugly but Btpd22 likes it.
So, check out that lineup if you haven't, a lot of eye candy - something for everyone. I think SE and Todd are doing a great job.

I agree on some of you.
Some like it, some like it not. For those who don´t like, wait until next year.

So in my case, i still have to wait for the third year in a row now. Which i think can live with. But anyway...

I just want to voice my concern, that it seems TL is more and more doing things for the sake of doing things. Both model range and color schemes.
It all just becomes a bit confusing to me. Too many models, strange naming and, sorry to say, some (far from all) real fugly and weird color schemes.
I think the line of being experimental has been reached now.
Since i was out for a 20" PK Loop, one could easily understand that i´m rather dissapointed by this year´s models.

But on balance i want to say, that the Wildman is doing a great job bringing back SE to the people.
Props to you from Gerrmany.

I do like the "on the edge" color schemes and when you do that, well some go over in some peoples tastes. I did read on SE's FB page that some models are "going away" with some new ones added which concerned me a little.

I already don't like the aluminum race quad appears to be gone (which is the bike I race) and there does seem to be a gluttony of same sized bikes. I now wonder if classic (OM) will disappear so new models (26 quad or 26 PK) will stay.

I like the retro bikes but seriously how many different models need to be produced including the "specialty" ones? None of them are race bikes per say and I'd like to see some improvement on the race side as well.

That´s what i tried to say. ( /limited english language skills LOL)



Valid point.
I think SE should put much more effort in developing a new line of race bikes.
A complete update of the 20" PK Rippers and the Floval Flyer to modern times. In both design and geometry.

Don´t let become SE a pure retro brand.

Just a suggestion, let the 26" PK be aluminum and the OM return to 4130.

I second that suggestion.

I also think Todd HAS concentrated on the race line-up a bit this year. He has improved the components and lightened up each bike.

YES! If it's made out of aluminum, it's not an OM Flyer.

And for god's sake, who came up with that "tennis ball yellow" on the 26 Quad? And did they have to dip the stem, bars, and freakin' CHAIN in it? I was seriously going to buy one until I saw it. Swing and a miss.

I LOVE the yellow/black color scheme on the 26" Quad. My first REAL BMX bike was yellow/black.

That bike is a grand slam in my book! Much better than the black/black colors of the other DC bikes.

I'd be happy with some reduction of weight for the race frames. They are above average than most, at least sub 4lbs.

PK TEAM XLP - 3.5 lbs.

PK TEAM - 3.4 lbs

PK JR. - 2.8 lbs

Floval XL - 3.6 lbs



In comparision...

Redline Flight XXL - 3.7 lbs

Redline Flight Pro - 3.6 lbs

Redline Flight JR. - 2.6 lbs

Redline Flight 24" - 3.7 lbs

Intense Podium XXL - 4.1 lbs

Intense Podium JR - 2.12 lbs



Seems pretty comparable to what out there to me.

I´m with nemo on this one. I don´t think weight is a problem on the new PK/Floval Models.
I also see that Todd (SE) has changed the rearstays on the new models. Which is a first step.

But all things considered, the made improvements are just not yet enough to compete with other brands on the newschool racing market.

Again, IMO the PKs/Flovals need a complete remodelling. New tubing and new geometrie. Maybe a complete new "philosophy"...

My digital scale puts our 07 PK pro at 4.3lbs and my 08 quad at 4.6lbs.

I disagree on the geometry. My quad is my favorite riding bike I've owned.

I thought we were talkin' about the improvements on the 2010 line?

I guess I am or my question is are they lighter for sure? The PK I have I believe (unless I'm wrong) was listed at a lighter weight than it is.

What changes to tubing and geo would you recommend? Who exactly it is that you feel the new SE stuff does not compete with? Not trying to start something just tryiong to get a better understanding of what reference you are using.

sonikk,

Just have a look at the new frames. Don´t you feel that there´s something wrong about them? they somehow look awkward to me.
Be it the hydroformed tubing (check the "front gusset" where TT and DT connect), or the all-wrong, fugly rear end (idk where to start complaining).
This frame just doesn´t look good. At least nat as good as one expects a SE Product.


If you might have a look on this frame. Restored PK Ripper XL 1999
Compare the ones you can get today with the original PK and you will know what i´m talking about.
A timeless beauty, highly innovative and far ahead of it´s time. That´s what SE stood for BITD. And that´s what SE should strive after again.

Hmmm I see your point. Obviously being an old school guy I prefer the look of the old PKs (such as the 1999 model you posted) but I am not really sure that the current market would like the look of the older stuff. In fact I wonder if the reason why the new school non-retro Se racing frames look the way they do is because they have to "keep up with the currnet trends" or they are viewed as being "behind the curve". Valid or not perception does shape a lot of people's purchases. I have a feeling a lot of new schoolers would view a PK that you want more of as a "retro" frame. Not saying I am sure here, I mean heck if I had my way there would be no "retro" PK there would be just THE PK and strangely enough it would look like the "retro" model only with an integrated headset. But hey what do I know?