Really, this could go on for days.

Good point, if we all quit all of this discussion on vintage we would have more time for riding, and racing. Of course the visits to vintage would be zero and there would cease to be any reason for companys to advertise on this web site..........

Points have been made and noted. Time for the olive branch or piece pipe here guys.

Discontinuing this discussion seems to be a reoccuring theme in this thread. I am not sure why I thought discussion was the idea of a site like this. Silly me.

Mx Mug

BMX Products, here is another guy who is not in the HOF speaking his mind and throwing his "facts" around...

The list of people who you say would be removed lol, all these people have years and years of time spent helping, growing and contributing in our sport, Jeremy on the other hand does not...Case in point..You want to put Joe in as an honorary inductee because Joe has 25 years of hard work and service to our sport and as a result of Joes efforts BMX is a better sport..There you have a great example...JM, he loved BMX and moved on to MX, he's the best and I loved watching him...He is not BMX HOF worthy..One guy listed all sorts of people yesterday who he says never won a title, one of these guy's was Perry Kreamer...Again someone spouting information that is just way off..PK won the Jag Pro World Championship, seriously...When you guy's want to make a point could you please varify your information it really would be the right thing to do before you misquote yourself..

Go back and look at your list, count how many total years all those people have, they deserve it for sure...

NORA Cups, to be exact I have sold 3 of them and all 3 are living in seperate BMX museums but not sure you even know that? I believe once again you are way off track as your comparing the NORA to the HOF, 2 entirely different things all together...Lump everything together much?

I walked away from BMX for about 3 years, had 2 jobs in the specialty coatings business, then started my own business..Not sure what your point is there, your just rambling on it appears about things that were not talking about in this thread...Get off topic much?

You want to debate BMX, I'm here anyday to do that, I have been here for 30 plus years....Get your facts straight!

You want JM in the BMX HOF, do it the right way, there are ways to do things and I would bet this entire experience will shape the future were all heading towards when it comes to HOF induction...

Greg,

I know the facts because I sold your first NORA Cup on ebay for you. Dave Cononetz bought it. I set up the auction listing, and walked you through every step of the sale as you had no idea how to use ebay at the time.

I have my facts straight. You told me yourself that you were over BMX.

Bill Curtin

What about this guy he raced bmx http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/halloffame...opage.asp?id=65

From that link:


Can we dovetail this into a discussion on the virtues of turning Novice/Intermediate instead of being a professional rookie?

Another thread, I'm sure, but interesting that they told him, on day one, "hey, kid...you're too fast for this class."



M

P.S. Give that list a look, and one of the people you'll find on it is Steve McQueen. While not a national racing star (Bob Hannah), promoter (C.E. Altman) or industry visionary (William S. Harley) by any stretch, there he sits because "His contribution to motorcycling helped the sport overcome its outlaw image and helped set the stage for the popularity of the sport during the 1990s." True, also, of Malcolm Forbes for the same reason.

There is more-than-enough precedent for halls of fame of any stripe inducting people who made extraordinary efforts to improve the public profile of their given sport/art/science.

There is plenty of time between now and the year 3786 (when Nostradamus predicts the world will end in a massive conflagration)...what's the rush? I am sure everyone of note will earn their place on the wall in due time.

Im a rookie vet will that help ?

Bill,

I am aware of who BMX Products is, I get it..

If you knew your facts, you would of never typed out a list of names that are all qualified people like you did..Your attempt to justify JM induction into the ABA HOF carry's zero weight...Did you go back and look at the names you put down? Years and Years they all have..All qualified people from all walks of life..Racers, Industry, promoters, etc...

I'm thinking you have absolutely no idea what a HOF stands for, your saying anyone who raced BMX and then went on to success in other areas of life should be inducted, honorary mind you lol because they talked about BMX once they left and did so in front of lot's of people..That is all good, really cool for Jeremy to remember his roots and give props to BMX..That rocks, he deserves a big thank you..He does not deserve induction into the ABA HOF...

BUT.....You see this is not such the big deal is it, really it's not..The part that is rediculous is that you guy's think you came up with some kind of great idea..Hey boy's, let's put JM in, he gets exposure, he'll get us noticed...Remember, I believe it was said to be marketing 101....." you guy's don't get the big picture"

I'll give this one to you, maybe you can add it to your marketing kit for helping to grow the sport..Why don't you sign a deal with Jeremy to use his likeness and endorsement of BMX, put him on your ABA website, he can have a quote saying how BMX meant so much to him..Bring him to events, have him sign autographs, put an ad in the BMXer where he is on a BMX bike talking up ABA BMX....Now this...This is marketing...And don't tell me "we already did that before, you did nothing..GT did it... Putting JM in the ABA HOF, that..That is trying to leverage somebody's name and doing it because it's FREE...You have ZERO marketing experience and it shows in the day to day activities and it also shows in how well our sport has grown..Perhaps the steering wheel should be in someone else's hands...Can you dig it? I can..See ya at the next National..I'll give you a free history lesson if you want, and a sticker to boot..C-Ya

GH

I am seeing some true colors that I would have never thought I would have seen.....all I can say is WOW!

Looks like another plaque may be coming on Ebay

I gotta' tell you, and all I'm doing is echoing G, and for that matter have mad respect and friendship for everyone in this thread: But disrespecting someone for getting in the HoF is sad (weak).

I've said time and again that BMXers are BMXes greatest enemy, and here again proof.

Bunnies \m/

Elvis I agree 100%

I guess you see the colors too, didnt Ozzy see the colors?

Hey, who let the aardvark loose in this thread?

This thread is a keeper .

I really think a beer summit is now required. Drinks will be on me. Location and date TBA.

Wow? How about Zowie?!

I guess he could take that plaque & put it in the nibbler HOF..........................................hehehehe.

b - Proud member of the "VBMX Hall of Fame".....yeah, that's right!

QUOTE (koollay @ Jul 31 2009, 06:26 PM)

I am seeing some true colors that I would have never thought I would have seen.....all I can say is WOW!

Looks like another plaque may be coming on Ebay

If you were upset about something that was dear and personal to you, how would you like it if your alleged biggest fan considered that to be your true colors? My guess is that you try to forget your worst moments. What would those that know you say about your personal "wow" moments?

As the know it all's on this site continue to dis the legends, you risk having the legends decide not to visit us at vintage bmx.

Mx Mug

OH dear god NO!!!! Everybody hurry up & say your sorry!! LOL!

b.

Mar, '07 I think it was a Wednesday. There was trouble in the air, clips we're sucking at peak levels.
Someone said something harsh to someone about their something or other, and all hell broke loose.
It was an internets thunderdome style tag team cage match on mexican steroids.
A lot of old schoolers/legends left.
It's a long story really, but thats the gist of it.

I understand where you are coming from but I have to say most of the girls in the higher amateur age groups were slower and didn't jump as high or as far as the guys in their counterpart age classes back in the early 1980s. They road more conservatively than the guys at the time. The mags took that into account when covering the girls races. The mags being illustrated wanted to print the more exciting pictures. It is one of the reasons I think Cheri Elliott stood out so, her speed and her jumping ability was unusual for a girl at the time, talking about 1983, 1984. I think by the time of the mid 1980s their racing improved due to chasing Cheri. They were faster it seems (judging from the few comparative video clips I have seen), were jumping further and making more daring moves, Gaby Bayhi, who probably inherited the mantel of best girl jumper from Cheri (according to the BMX Press) were along with her peers jumping gaps almost a big if not as big as the boys, but the magazines still ignored them for the most part, probably still in the early 1980's mentality. They also still were stingy with the interviews. Gaby Bayhi was the only big one during the 80s girl pro era to appear in a major BMX Magazine (BMX Plus!) November 1987 page 72. She herself did get a lot of mentions in that magazine). By that time I guesstimate the average girl in the oldest age class were as fast as a fast intermediate. The top oldest girls, Cheri Elliot, Deanna Edwards, Kathy Schachel, Gaby Bayhi for instance, were about a little slower than the average expert (now the fastest Pro girls today-Reade, Daniels, Hayashi, Post for instance-are about as fast as the experts and ABA "A" Pros with Reade and Daniels nipping at the heals of the "AA"s). I am saying generally why the magazines gave the girls a lower priority back in the 80's. I do think they way over did that. Of course in the 1990's the surviving BMX Magazines, BMX Plus! and even the then new Snap pretty much ignored the girls for the most part, especially Plus! given that they totally ignored all Amateur racing throughout the mid to 90's and only gave the Superclass and Pro girls a few mentions. At least that is the impression I get when I look over my magazine collection spanning from the late 70's to now.

I am glad of the state of women's racing as well and yes the women are given a lot of coverage compared to the 80's and 90's and early 00's, especially on the net and it is more than worth it. I think the 2008 Olympic BMX race, the medal main, was more exciting than the mens were with Reade and going at it with Shanaze Reade desperately trying to past Anne-Caroline Chausson!, that's right, I said it was better than the guy's medal main! WoW! And yes the sponsorships back in the 80's for women were sketchy. If I recall correctly the girls on the team weren't counted equally in points for Team trophy. That had to be a disincentive to take on girls. They also cited having to have separate accommodations for them on the road, a greater expense. One annoying thing you see in BMX Plus! at the time with the Pro Girls of the 80's Plus! didn't print the sponsor of the Pro Women in the race results like it did with the Male Pros (which was very convenient for research purposes). One less chance of exposure for the sponsor.

Exactly!! To do otherwise would be to continue the unfairness.

I am not ready to concede this point yet. I think the women can be equally judged with the guys. To be separated could mean to be sidelined. If the people on the committee are fair minded they will judge on the basis of stats/accomplishments. I just want to see them as racers first. However with the very well known Deanna Edwards-Jamison overlooked again this year, I admit I am not hat optimistic. If the imbalance continues for a few more years then yes, seperate catagory.

Oh, is there any chance we will see you going pedal to pedal with Deanna Edwards-Jamison any time in the future? Anyone interview you yet for a detailed rundown of your career? Like with a lot of girls, you never really got one except for a few short sidebars in BMX Plus! And I hardly know you. I think that is the reason for a lack of interest by much of the Old School BMX public they don't know most of you. The vast majority of the top girl competitors in the 1980s didn't even get one interview during their careers. Kim Johnson, Deanna Edwards, Jennie Zeuner, Misty Dong and others never got proper interviews in the magazines (maybe a few in the sanctioning body newspaper) I hope that can be rectified today on the net.

Oldtimer1980s

MotorX Mug, never was a name mentioned

I do think that dogging of ANY inductee is out right classless. I am sorry but we have seen enough people do it on this thread and as far as I am concerned , stand up and take the critics punches.

Greg, in my humble opinion the inducting of Jermey is taking nothing away from what you accomplished. You are a legend and master of of BMX to all of us. I can honestly say you inspired most everone on this forum (mass media tool for conveying love). You indeed see it as a flaw or a discredit to what you ahve done on the track.

However, a plaque or a trophy or a name on a wall; what really does that mean to you? The think that you need to open up to again is how many people are a Greg Hill fan all across the world! How many people you inspired all across the world! And how man people got into BMX because of you all a cross the world!

I run into stars all the time. People always ask me " did you get their autograph?" NO what is that? Its material. I would rather get a handshake and a smile. That is what means something to me. I think what you need to know is, your impact on someones life and what you do in life is way more important than a plaque. That plaque, does it really tell you everyday that you made an impact in someones life? I think not, but it was a self gratifying thing that you peronsally achieved or enjoyed I bet.

Your stories are told every day, your impact is being felt on everyone of us today and you are still our BMX hero and Legend. I know your mind anyway. Yes I am not happy what you see, what you read , what you hear, but please let it be known your way more important to us than a plaque that you won years back.

I am not going to name any Names. But in speaking to an inductee, it was mentioned to me that when he was inducted it was finally the fist time closure was brought to him. He felt at that point his chapter was closed and he could move on. That meant a lot to him in his own personal gratification.

This award to Jermy will mean alot to him and I do think and believe such an award will inspire him to get BMX more attention. We all were sooo stoked to hear it was an Olympic sport this year, yet was quickly upset at how little exposure it got. I do believe Jeremy will get us that exposure. But be rest assured it takes nothing away from you in what you accomplished.

Its a new generation. Fast paced generation, God forbid I dont punch my car 2 seconds after the light changes Green.
I will get a horn and the perverbial 1 finger in the air. I can promise you its not the finger saying I am #1.

I guess what I am trying to say is your dealing with a changing society , changing world, Econom. The comfort zones that we knew are changing, the rules are changing and I believe we are seeing a change with how we reach out to the yournger generation. The ABA to me is doing a very bold statement but as a BMX fan, its a statement we need to embrace, support and work together in making this sport thrive. Greg, you are indeed a huge part of that equation and we dont need such a Mentor backing out now.

David

You see, you and I have a fundamentally different outlook on what a Hall of Fame is and what it should do. To me it is about "Well, I raced and won national bitd" Yes, won a lot of nationals, ruled their class by winning oodles of nationals and/or wining year end national and/or international titles. Most of the icons of the sport are icons for doing things like that, Pros and Amateurs. Doug Davis, Richie Anderson, Eddy King, Shelby James, Darwin Griffin ruled the Amateurs even if they had only so-so or no pro careers. They still made an impact on the sport. The Hall of Fame to me is about results. Other sports Hall of Fames are results oriented, especially the one I keep referring to for analogies, the Baseball HoF. It shouldn't matter what press coverage they got back in the day. A lot of great players went unrecognized during their times because they didn't play for a team in a major medial market and/or played for perpetually losing teams even if their personal numbers were great. It was only by going back and examining their careers revealed how great they were while laboring in relative obscurity at the time. Saying it was unfair but that's the way it was so no HoF would be and injustice beyond measure.

It would be the same in BMX. If they have the "numbers" on the tack and/or worked behind the scenes to expand the sport like doing clinics, promoting (Bobby Encinas, Cecil Johns) , creating/lobbing for new racing classes (Deanna Edwards, Kathy Schachel), founding the sport in a area that it didn't exist before (Cash Matthews [Oklahoma], Charlie Litsky [New Jersey]) should be big points to get them in the Hall. Some of the names I just mention did both, expand the sport and and excelled in it on the track many times doing so as an amateur. Because they were amateurs and/or not icons of the sport shouldn't be a barrier. With the girls just because they were comparatively unknown at the time doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the hall. It is what the results of their careers on and off the track that should count. Kathy Schachel richly deserves to be in the NHoF even if she never got an interview for becoming the first Women's pro No.1 and was hardly mentioned in the BMX press (outside maybe the NBL's Bicycles Today) at the time. The fact that she did should be honored. That should be recognized even if they didn't get much press for it. Not doing so just continues the mistake the editors of the magazines made. And that is just one example. The same for the kids who never turned pro and retired at a young age like Jason Jensen, Brent Romero, Geoff Scofield who all dominated their amateur classes nationally. They shouldn't be recognized? Absolutely they should be!

I think some people I dare say, misunderstand the purpose of a Hall of Fame in any endeavor. It is not to merely ratify the celebrity of a participant in that endeavor, but to hold up in appreciation those who contributed to the endeavor, even if they were previously unknown. Sure a lot of people in a HoF may had been well known at the time of their exploits but a HoF is to also make people famous for what they did even if no one knew their name when they were doing great things. It is not about enshrining icons but enshrining those who excelled in the endeavor in constructive manors. It is, in part, supposed to pull great contributors out of obscurity, to bring their heretofore unsung exploits to the fore, not continue the gross oversight. If not, then it would be the Hall of Celebrities.

Oldtimer1980s

The first guy to fabricate a straight tube BMX bicycle? Sure for industry, no problem.

Again, the controversy is who is inducted for being a racer and, more importantly, how. I think mass e-mailing should be banned. Its literally ballot box stuffing.

Oldtimer1980s

Really?! When?!? That's great!! Is she sponsored? Does she race the National circuit or just locally? How's her knees? I think that is what drove her out of BMX, that injury. Is she an amateur or Pro? Please provide info! One of my favorite Women pros of the late 1990's!

GH? Who is GH? Can't be Greg Hill. Gary Haselhorst?

I generally agree they should be in. The racers definitely. The sanctioning body heads like Bod Tedesco yes, more NBL centric people like Linda Dorsey I don't know. I have to educate myself as to what she had done. I have heard/read her name before but I don't know what she has done.

I have no real feeling against McGrath getting in on the honorary line. some other sports HoFs do have honorary members. And I like the analogy of people getting honorary degrees from colleges they never set foot on much less attended as an acknowledgment of some great deeds they did for their country and or mankind. My bugaboo is the mass e-mailing for a real nominee.

That is a good compromise!

Oldtimer1980s

You used the word "obtuse" and every time I hear or read that word, I think of Shawshank Redemption.

Anyway, to answer above. Jamie Lilly made her initial pro comeback a few weeks ago at Nashville at the NBL Music City National. She was very competitive. It was good to see her back.

BTW- I hope Madison Pitts will get in one day. I will gladly donate a BMXTruth/GHP/Fly jersey to the hall.

I am deeply concerned that someone did not know who Andrew Defrane was, nor could follow the Shawshank Redemption reference to "obtuse".

Rent it, it is a great movie!

I agree. JM being in the BMX hall is no problem given that it is strictly an honorary thing especially with the precedents you cite. As for Mr. Forbes he was a very enthusiastic motorcycle fan:

http://www.geocities.com/palmspringsabate/malcom8.jpg

For the curious Steve McQueen:

http://janetcharltonshollywood.com/images/1mcqueen.jpg

He had a stable of 100-plus motorcycles when he died in 1980:

http://www.janetcharltonshollywood.com/category/money/

Oh and I think we have a lot shorter time than Nostradamus gave us. According to the Mayan Calender December 21, 2012 is when the jig is up for us, Fortunately after the London Olympics and we see Olympic BMX on last time.

Oldtimer1980s

Actually, if we're using real-world analogies, it would be more like campaigning, as it is not actual votes being cast by such emails.



Perhaps, but it didn't work as well for my illustration

M

Oh and I think we have a lot shorter time than Nostradamus gave us. According to the Mayan Calender December 21, 2012 is when the jig is up for us

Which just happens to be my birthday.

Women should have equal AA Pay ! Hof needs to play catch up with the women of bmx .

Would this many people be up in arms if the shoe were on the other foot? What if the AMA gave some legendary BMXers a spot in their HOF for their contributions to BMX which lead to many kids racing MX? Would those legends take the honor? Would Bob Hannah call it blasphemy?

HOFs are good for two things. Honoring the past and stirring controversy/debate. Every year when any HOF has their list of inductees you get one week of why wasn't so and so voted in. You also get why was so and so voted in.

In reading all of this it sounds like the voting system needs changed. Instead of giving him a plaque and an actual HOF Induction like Greg's why not make it something a little different. Maybe start a whole new category. Something for those who started in BMX and recognize that start or participation as something meaningful, and went on to great things outside of the sport. Call it something like the BMX Roots Lifetime Achievement Award. Who knows this could open the door for people like Tomac, Armstrong, and even Jeff Gordon as mentioned before. Put an asterisk beside Mcgrath's name and call it a day.

Editor's note: This is just one guy's opinion with some time on his hands.

Thanks for clearing that up! At least it is not stealing an election. I'm am still against it though at the very least by those already on the committee, but it still a disadvantage to those who never road with a major BMX company or one that doesn't exist anymore.
(snip)

Oldtimer1980s.

I know you're joking but it does reflect something that was going on 25 years ago: I supported the pro girl concept back then but ironically that was one of the few things I was against them for back in the 80's. They wanted the same purses the men were getting but their small class numbers didn't justify it, just like it wouldn't had been justified for the mens pro class circa 1978. The numbers had to be build up to justify the purse sizes. Four women classes at nationals weren't going to cut it. I thought they deserved more than 100% payback but equal payout wasn't justified by the numbers.

Oldtimer1980s

"now the fastest Pro girls today-Reade, Daniels, Hayashi, Post for instance-are about as fast as the experts and ABA "A" Pros with Reade and Daniels nipping at the heals of the "AA"s)."

Oldtimers1980,

No disrespect man but this comment is WAY off base and simply incorrect. None of the Girl Pros are nipping at the heels of the AA Pro clas and comparing them with the A Pro class is a big-time stretch in itself. Was there not a long and heated discussion in which Schmick pointed out that the current Girl Pro lap times were comparable to the boys' 13 Expert class? The fact that Jamie Lilly can come back after a long layoff in so-so shape and still be highly competitive in that class speaks volumes sir.

I wasn't old enough to see Greg Hill race, but the fact that he came on here and spoke his mind earned my total and complete respect.

Tim Kneip

I wanted to add this but the edit time timed out on me:

Is Boss still around? Maybe someone can have a mass mailing campaign for Terry Tennette. Is GT Bicycles still the power it once was? Maybe Deanna Edwards will finally get in. Maybe Shimano Sales can be convinced to bang the drums for Kathy Schachel. Gaby Bayhi is doomed since she never raced for a major sponsor except for being co-sponsored by Kuwahara near the beginning of her career.

Oldtimer1980s.

Koolay/Dave: Nice post

bnd: LOL



This is awesome.

The female pros were moving mighty fast during the Olympics. Maybe it was Olympic adrenaline but Shanaze Reade and Chausson was fighting tooth and nail and left the field behind by a few bike lengths until Reade desperation move failed. Also Reade regularly beat the "A" pro men in England becoming that class level National No.1 Pro. Perhaps the Brit "A" pros aren't as fast? I've gotta get some vids of a American national to compare. Anyway, back to the subject at hand...

Oldtimer1980s

David,

That was nice, thank you..As I have been saying, it is the manner in which things are being done that I have issues with..It is not me feeling any less because they put famous people in the HOF..I feel that there should be some guidelines and if they want to put famous people in then create a new place, a new way to put them in that does not create bad feelings from members of the HOF... At any rate, your post was like putting a fire out..Cooler heads always prevail..Thank you sir!

GH

Oh great Ant. Thanks for bringing the end times to all of us.





Doug

I want a new GHP and I don't even need a new bike.

Wait a minute, my birthday is the Dec 22nd. "NO SOUP FOR YOU"

Changstar

I would pay Shaneze Reade $500 for each race if she could make the main at the NBL grands and/or ABA grands in Super/A pro class. If she made both I would give her another $1000.

Haters be hatin'

Well, its up to her to take up the challenge. One thing we can both agree on: She would have to do it on the same course as the guys, no smaller jumps or shorter tracks. The only way the women can go faster is that they are pushed. One clarification: In 2006 she became 19 & Over Elite Men National No.1 after racing that class for the year (not British equivalent of "A" pro but I imagine not that much slower). She was 17 years old at the time. Not junior Pro but still impressive. At least I don't think the 19 year old guys were moving as slow as the 13 year olds. Mind you I don't think the women will ever be a fast as the men but I do think there is a lot of room for improvement because I still don't think the women push themselves to the limit like the men do, one reason I think they should race the same tracks the men do.

Oldtimer1980s.

No argument there.



Dido

I didn't know Dido the singer was a hater. Sheesh you learn something everyday.

Congrats to all the HOF inductees. I would like to go. Does anyone have any information about the ceremony?

I won a lot of races in my time, ABA, NBA Grand Nationals, Gold Cups, I carried total points ever for over 10 years and currently still sit second. I raced 3 times a day every Sat. and Sunday in So Cal where comp. was thick. It was the most difficult, yet rewarding time in my life. MC was an inspiration for me. I rode on his track, he rode on mine.His Dad, Mom and Sister were all heavily involved in the So. Cal BMX scene and always supported me.

MC was never the fastest guy out there and he never won as much as others that aren't in the HOF. BUT, he has always been a huge advocate for youth in BMX while being the King of SX - that helped the sport of BMX tremendously which in and of itself deserves some type of recognition or honor, be it the HOF or whatever else.

-Joey Allen

Joey

See the link to the ABA at the Bottom.

This is the updated list from Shannon.
For those that are complaining. Note for the first time how many current riders are commiting to show!

Here's my latest list of notable attendees---

Clayton John
Bernie Anderson
Dennis Dain
John Crews
Cheri Elliott
Ernie Alexander
Bobby Encinas
Bob Haro
STU
KOS
Dave Clinton
Eric Rupe
Mike King
Eddy King
Toby Henderson
Cash Mathews
Brian Lopes
Greg Grubbs
Greg Hill
Jeff Bottema
Mike Day
Maris Strombergs
Dale Holmes
Woody Itson
Danny Oakley
Eddie Fiola
Jeremy McGrath
DD Leone
Mike Buff
Troy Lee

The Silent Auction list of Items is amazing!
Bikes from GHP and Intense
Signed Jerseys from:
OS Riders!
The Olympic Gold, Silver and Bronze riders!
World Champ Eric Rupe!
5- time World Champ Dale Holmes!

Items from Cheri Elliott
The Hot Shoppe
And More!

"And Dinner"

Seats are starting to move so get in on the early Bird Special and get ready to rub elbows with the stars of past, present, and future!

http://2009ababmxhof.eventbrite.com/

Again, This all goes to a great cause.

Hey Joey,
Welcome to the board. Haven't heard your name in quite a while. You and I were teammates on GT although you were such a lil guy at the time. Welcome to Vintage.

If you get a chance check out www.facebook.com many of your old teammates are on their. Michelle Gibson, Kevin Hull, Geoff Scofield.


Cheers,
Deanna Jamieson (Edwards)

So E, where does this thread rate on your Dram-o-meter?

Holly crap, and I thought the cafe was wound tight

Whats up Deanna!? So great to hear from you. Yeah, I was a little one. I was looking for them on facebook awhile back. I'll check back here more often. Its so cool to see everyone on here. Makes me want to go back to the track...