I am guessing that the whole "my kids read Vintage over my shoulder" talk is over-exagerrated (spellcheck) and is used as an excuse to fill Elvis and Mike's inbox with complaining. Am I wrong.

btw, my little groms never read Vintage but occasionally I might mention something from here to them. I figure, with an open forum such as this, not a good idea to let them roam free.

Granted, I am probably on the site more than most, therefore, the probability of one of my kids coming up and asking "What's that?" is greater.

But, I was at the Waukegan Regional last week, and was talking to a few of the riders (12-14yrs) when I was waiting with my son in staging. I asked them, do you ever check out any of the BMX sites online? BMX News? BMXNOW? Vintage?

Two of them piped up right away to say "oh..Vintage...yeah."

I was wearing a BMXNOW T-Shirt, so one said BMXNOW, probably to make me feel good, as these kids didn't know my affiliation with the three.

M

I ask my kids to read certain threads that I feel will help them and are relate to issues that we have been talking about like riding position, bike setup, etc.
Bob

eh, no kids here.... but why not?
yep, I think excuse. Just say it like I did. Certain people dont need to post here. or if they do, keep it civil. plenty of people post nagative threads or argue or get in heated, spirited debates on here without using the language and insutl, degradtion, and diatribe masked in "turth" and "humor" that people who have been banned did....

glad of it.

if you think theyre seeing stuff here (with schmick or without him) that they dont see/hear in the public schools then youre a fool... instead of shielding, why not educate them on it.

Yeah...that's a good one. Look nineyearold Natty, that's called "HUMPING."

seriously dude.. youre kidding yourself... want them to learn it from you? or from their friend in the 4th grade?

The 16 yo will stroll though every once in a while (on my account)..usually to see if there is anything about people he knows. But he doesn't post.

I have kids _all the time_ coming up and asking me if I'm Elvis from Vintage. ("And why is a black lady your symbol thing?")

All the time, no lie.

So yeah, it may not be your kids, but somebody's kids are reading it.

personally, i think most of it is fragile sensibilities on the part of some of the older estrogen impaired on here...

which is sad... because i happen to be one... but i'm not dead, nor am i a stick in the mud. if i ever am someone duct tape me to a bike and push me down the starting hill... that should get enough blood flowing to get brain function again


As far as the kids reading Vintage... well, let's see...

the 4 year old just wants to look at bikes and dogs
the 14 year old and 16 year old do NOT have unlimited access to the internet because it's bad for them. And i do mean the whole sitting on their buttz not the internet in general. Besides they're usually grounded or scooping dog poop or building a track in the backyard to mess around on the internet. rules... these kids have rules... and the rules are mine.


in general, children are smarter than we give them credit for people so give them credit. explain things to them, do not coddle them and try to shelter them because that is the biggest mistake.

then you just end up with more issues because your kid will not grow up with AFFINITY, REALITY, and COMMUNICATION


i'm not exactly sorry that i tend to ruffle people's feathers. i am however sorry that some people can't just deal with the fact that different strokes / different folks and let it go already.


so that's me on my soapbox for today.....

if you don't like it well....


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So maybe now is the right time to ask...

Why is a black lady your symbol thing?

LOL!

Man you're gettin' old......haha


You heading over to the Rock this year?


Longere

they're on thecomeupbmx.net

I don't have time for that, but instead ...

Here's something a lot of people don't know: I'm saltier than most of you, in fact saltier than about 97 percent of the population of this planet. No lie.

Yet, I'm a pretty good writer, and a pretty good communicator, and when I do these things I keep it clean. When I talk to kids, I keep it clean. When I talk to adults, unless I know 'em well, I keep it clean.

Because I'm a pretty good communicator.

And you know what? If I was a magazine publisher, I'd keep it clean.

Let me put it back on you another way: Are you guys telling me, that absent scatological reference you can't get your point across? That without the seven words you can't say on television nobody understands what you're saying?

Is it that bad?

What do you do when you talk to your Mom?

Again, if you can't make a point about BMX without going salty, maybe a message board isn't the place for you.

The English language, especially when coupled with a visual medium, is rich and full, near-endless in its depth and breadth. _Needing_ to curse in order to make a point tells me you're lazy -- and we're talking about people who'll spend hours and hours of their week engaged in bicycle racing, so I ain't buying it.

A handful of words in order to make this joint palatable for the broadest group possible, is it really that big a deal? Really?

I have always understood the "keep it clean for kids" perspective here on Vintage. There is no need to provide them with objectionable material without any regards. I also know that kids dont cruise Vintage to find offensive stuff that their parents dont want them to see. Most kids wait 'til mom and dad aint home and they cruise the 'net for much more adult oriented websites.

For those that think their kids dont do that, dont forget about your own childhood... thumbing through your dads "mags" when mommy and daddy wasnt home.

Sports Illustrated?

My kids have always read VintageBMX.com from the days of RoostBMX.com and OldSchoolBMX.com. My two older boys are in college and my oldest still checks things out here at times. My daughter (the only one still at home) loves reading threads and even has her own account for posting.

So yeah, before the majority of you guys had ever even heard of Vintage, my kids were checking things out here.

Ken, your dating yourself my friend...lol

or there is the "dad whats wrong with that lady" question upon first seeing Schmicks Avatar..............(gulp)"well, nothing son"

Speaking of "humping"...
So, there were some people offended by Schmick's animated Stormtrooper avitar. Are those same people offended when their 10 year old does a "bar-hump" while jumping the big doubles? Humping is humping, we all know what the term refers to.

haha-- thecomeup? they have a section dedicated just to porn!!

i have a 10yr old nephew, i assure you that he knows what "humping" is without me telling him.

with that being said, i take the same approach as elvis, the only differenc is that i do curse freelly around my mom, and she still threatens the cyan pepper.

I agree with this. There are lots of words in our language, you can always pick another one.

ha ha ha....

the 16year old isn't mine, neither is the 14 year old...

the 4 year old psycho little typeA-aries-mini-me... yeah, she's mine. you should hear her at the track.... PEDAL! PEDAL! PEDAL! my dad's old mantra... goes on for another generation

well...
we're building a track in the pasture so it's off to the store for more diesel we go.... woot woot

anyone have a backhoe???? i could sure use one right now!

The "they can hear worse somewhere else" responses would do well to re-review the site rules/FAQs.

And listen, you want saltier, there's other places for that. This ain't one of 'em. You think cursing should be allowed at the track? Fine, find the track that feels the same way. This one isn't like that.

....my son will not sit here and read stuff. I do point out things to him. He just thinks its cool when I post a pic of his bike or somebody mentions something about him or other 10x's he knows.



...of course he did have his own thread at one time.




"2T's"

No Rockford this year...maybe Warsaw. Will I see ya there??

I asked my kid if he followed Vintage and he says there's too much drama!! hahaha

Im 14 and I read these forums =P

Yes, our 7 year old does read Vintage on occasion. He is not allowed to log on himself but we encourage him to read whenever possible, since BMX is his life this is a good place to keep him interested in reading. He also reads two plus years ahead of his grade level so it is an issue with many threads.

There's a little underscore in the box at the top of the Explorer page that is easy to activate should he come around when we're reading something that's not G rated and we use it. "I am agreeing with Elvis" in encouraging people to broaden their vocabulary and use words that take more than four letters to spell.

PM

BS vs Steve Bourke threads... 'nuff said.

We will be at Warsaw, hope you can make it. Dan Rumple puts on a really good show.


Longere

Frankie is still more interested in coloring the walls with whatever she can get her hands on (she's two), but I definitely appreciate the family friendly atmosphere here. When I first found these old school sites it was like picking up my first BMXA and there were certainly no profane words happenin' in there. Profound fo' sho'. Profane no.

There are plenty of BMX sites that let you rant with whatever tongue that brought ya', but I can only stomach that schtuff so much. I'm no choir boy. I just find that stuff real boring.

JP

I did not read any of this thread.

My kid reads only the things that I tell him about other then that he could give a rats ass

A couple things.....

The pg rating we used to try to keep here was a result of both Bill and I reading every single post that was placed on the forums. Because both Bill and I had kids and most of the time they were in the same room, or sitting with us as we read. Also, There was a time when we had an active race team, ALOT of kids were reading vintage. Team members, other teams kids, and sponsors. We felt at the time that there was no place on vintage for any of that crap, No need for it. That was then....this is now. However Mike wants to run the show is how it's going to go.

As for AlphaBitch, 21 posts and you now make the rules? Must be nice to be you!

The place is going to hell in a hand basket.....

So why should they here?

Obsessive this is NOT directed at you nor do I have any complaint with you!

The question should be do you act or talk like this in front of your kids? If not, then why do you feel so compelled to do it here! If this forum is meant for adults, then people should start acting like it.

Gino, no offence taken my friend and so you know. This might be the best point I've read on here thus far. I'll give you an example. My son was recently away from me and said a word that's on the no-no list. An adult with him said where did you learn that? My son later confessed that to me what he said and told me he learned it from him....

I sometimes ponder the whole idea that these are wrong for kids but OK for adults. Seems a bit hypocritical to tell a kid they can't do or say something when you do it yourself. At least have some consistency. I am just as guilty.

No. My kids don't read the site and they don't look over my shoulder either. Forums are not allowed. Period.

They get plenty of exposure at school to all the wonderful things in the world we'd like to protect them from, there's no need to allow them access to it from home too.

People forget many times that while you have to be a cerain age to join forums, that doesn't stop kids from looking.

Just as a single example that happens to come to mind at the moment, the last thing I want is for my 12 or 9 year old to come up to me asking "Why is that person named AlphaBitch?" The florida sportsman forums I moderated for years are much more strict than vintage. It represents the florida sportsman magazine though and is family oriented and a large business.

Jay

Exactly, kids have better things to do.

Apparently we don't lol.

I havent read any other post on here but obviously some kids, somewhere come to this site every once in a while.

But, I don't know one single kid from our area that comes to Vintage. They do go to other sites, but all say they never come here. For the most part, they could care less what all us old peole are in here talking about. They think we are boring.

in general, children are smarter than we give them credit for people so give them credit. explain things to them, do not coddle them and try to shelter them because that is the biggest mistake.

then you just end up with more issues because your kid will not grow up with AFFINITY, REALITY, and COMMUNICATION


So what do you and, what don't you shelter children from?

Shelter is one thing but come on. "If they don't get it from you they will get it........." is not a great excuse. The biggest problem with kids today is that "parents" don't know what there kids are doing. We talk to our daughter but I will tell you right now she does not tell us half the stuff we need to know. It is funny this is coming up now. We are going through a huge deal where she did something and denied it. The problem was she forgot to clear the text messages and the net searches on her phone. BUSTED. Now we are talking with her while she is also being punished. Not for looking but for lying that she looked. I do agree do not let someone else teach your kids. She will learn about life one way or another. My way may not be perfect but there are so many other choices. Do you hope they make the right one or help them make the right one. I know my choice.

Is say it right in the site rules/FAQs "they could here worse somewhere else, fine, we can't control that, but we can control what they see here, so we do" [paraphrased]

You people getting tied up 'cause you can't use hip-thrust avatars and salty language are a bigger problem than what kids see today.

Bein blunt and honest, when I talk to or read something from someone who uses alot of "colorful" language, I automatically file that person into the Backwards, Uneducated, and Unrefined category. someone who does not know proper protocol for social intercourse or is unable to express emotions or ideas without the use of crude metaphors, or even overuse of general slang.

Just so ya know. sorry.

mxmug - what i was referring to is the fact that most children who misbehave do not have clear cut boundaries. parents who fight with each other or one parent continually giving in... rules, structure, consistency basically.

example - you tell your kid(s) to clean up and they don't - so you do it. what do they learn? mom/dad won't follow thru so screw it.

example - your kid lies to you about something BIG and don't follow thru with a suitable punishment - what does your kid learn? NADDA

if YOU don't want YOUR kid doing A,B,C then you have to make it CLEAR that if they do A B or C then there will be consequences - and you have to follow thru with them on your part as well... otherwise you have a kid who doesn't respect themselves, their peers or their elders

if you don't have consistency in parenting then you have conflict. if you have conflict you will have behavioral issues sooner or later.

I have seen way too many kids these days pull crap that i would a-NEVER have tried, b-knew i would have been grounded for LIFE.... it's just pathetic. I don't know if parents are just scared to reprimand or what but it's not good to go too far either way. you shelter them too much and they have NO grasp of reality, you don't give them ANY ground rules or make them accountable for their screw ups then again you have issues. there is a happy middle and it takes a little finessing but it's possible.

my two step-teens vs. my 4 year old are a prime example. my kid has grown up with rules. she's young but she knows not to challenge me. the step-teens however cause mass havoc at times by manipulation that their mother refuses to address.... one set of rules at my house, no rules at their mom's house. mass confusion = major conflict

basically, it's the job of the PARENT to tell the kid what is and is not acceptable and it's the job of the PARENT to follow thru with rewards and corrections depending on the behavior of the children.

You're thinking of the wrong website. We haven't done that here in a long time.