Race Inc dude
May 12 2009, 09:28 AM
was strolling around the bay and came across these and was shocked. This has probably been delt with before but someone tell me, WHY?
aero speed complete cranks, $1928, why
Race Inc dude
May 12 2009, 09:35 AM
if I remember correctly, were these problematic?
juanrmattos
May 12 2009, 10:48 AM
Sorry Bud, I dont understand your question....

???
These cranks work perfectly, and remain in the original condition... As far as I can remember I bought this same set of cranks for over 3K less than a year ago...
Last 3 sets sold on eBay averaged $ 2,800.00
nvmyslowride
May 12 2009, 11:18 AM
i was told that they are very rare and produced very very few sets, even certain riders couldnt get a set back in the day, or was very hard too. Yes i have seen them average for $2500-3500 easy.
Race Inc dude
May 12 2009, 11:59 AM
okey, maybe I am thinking of a different type. Hutch has always been good stuf. I guess if you want it bad enough, that demand will dictate the price. I can't imagine the quality being much better than the era correct profiles or red line products but than again I do not claim to be an expert. Honestly I don't try an come off as being negative but 2 g's is a chunk of change fellows. I'm glad somebodys got it these days.. Thanks fellows
juanrmattos
May 12 2009, 12:17 PM
Never took your comments in the wrong way bud, Is just that I couldnt understand your question....
They were back in the day considered the "top of the line" cranks and even then worth a few hundreds more than Flights or Box cranks...
Collector's wise, they are very desirable, and the cherry on top for any build

There are others even more expensive (Probably Priceless), like these Freestyle Aero Speed prototype cranks (Never released into the market and only two sets ever made)
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Race Inc dude
May 12 2009, 12:23 PM
that clears it up, thanks for the info bro
GR8BNDINI
May 12 2009, 01:32 PM
DANG JUAN!!!!!!! WHen is that museum of yours opening up bro?
MadCowboy
May 12 2009, 11:17 PM
I remember something about the aerospeeds being prone to breaking also. Not sure where I heard it from, whether it was from bitd or here on vintage but I remember something about them. It certainly wasnt any first hand knowledge as I never knew anybody with a set.
They are so rare tho, i doubt anybody would be putting them to the test nowadays so it doesnt really matter. JMC's were prone to breaking bitd, but that doesnt diminish their value now.
Ted Carl
May 13 2009, 12:57 AM
Something about the wedge bolt splitting the shaft...
Popeye
May 13 2009, 01:57 PM
I had a buddy that was so happy when he got his. He rode them for about a week and a half then showed me where the whole side of the crank arm split open. He was a strong guy, but at that time I had yet to see a Redline or Profile fail in such a way. He got a new set from the warranty and sold or traded them for a new pair or Redlines.
They are rare because only the ones that were not ridden have survived. They are pretty though.
masterstint
May 13 2009, 04:15 PM
I actually thought the $1928 was a steal......I was kinda bummed my pay pal wasnt full, I needed those bad boyz for my next build:
Spicoli
May 13 2009, 05:11 PM
^^^^Sick Judge^^^
imho I think Flights would look better than speeds on that bike...
Were Speeds really that much more than Flights and Profiles bitd ??? I seem to recall them only retailing for 30-$40 more than what the "good" cranks cost back then...
freestyl
May 13 2009, 05:23 PM
Dang Juan, I don't ever remember seeing those cranks before. Very cool, Woody
nikbsnjk
May 13 2009, 05:41 PM
QUOTE (Spicoli @ May 13 2009, 06:11 PM)

^^^^Sick Judge^^^
imho I think Flights would look better than speeds on that bike...
Were Speeds really that much more than Flights and Profiles bitd ??? I seem to recall them only retailing for 30-$40 more than what the "good" cranks cost back then...
I spoke with an old dealer from back in the day. His experience with some of the those cranks were always bad. He told me 50% of the cranks he got in were cracked directly from the factory. What I mean by cracked is the spindle right at the wedge. Those that werent cracked eventually did from use. He thought he remebered sending all his back. And never getting any replacements. Apparently the metal quality was very bad and they scrapped production. Hence the rarity.
Dr.Frankenripper
May 14 2009, 08:13 AM
they're cool - they're rare, well sorta - they went for relative money considering i heard some idiot bought the rights to HUTCH and is or will be reproducing almost exact copies soon nuff - so the value and appeal will soon be lost (drop) when every murray to robinson resto will be flaunting a set
juanrmattos
May 14 2009, 08:24 AM
QUOTE (freestyl @ May 13 2009, 07:23 PM)

Dang Juan, I don't ever remember seeing those cranks before. Very cool, Woody
Only two sets were ever made Bud; one set in 165mm and this one in 176mm... There are only a hand full of people that know of their existence (Well teo hands full after this thread

).
The pic doesnt show but the non-drive arm has dual pinch bolts...
Check out that spindle!!!
b.cal
May 14 2009, 08:38 AM
QUOTE (Dr.Frankenripper @ May 14 2009, 02:13 PM)

they're cool - they're rare, well sorta - they went for relative money considering i heard some idiot bought the rights to HUTCH and is or will be reproducing almost exact copies soon nuff - so the value and appeal will soon be lost (drop) when every murray to robinson resto will be flaunting a set

Still crying about that sissy boy?? Especially on a site that lets him advertise his site. Awaa!!!! Go back to OS.
MadCowboy
May 14 2009, 09:21 AM
QUOTE (Dr.Frankenripper @ May 14 2009, 09:13 AM)

they're cool - they're rare, well sorta - they went for relative money considering i heard some idiot bought the rights to HUTCH and is or will be reproducing almost exact copies soon nuff - so the value and appeal will soon be lost (drop) when every murray to robinson resto will be flaunting a set

Redline still makes flight cranks. Perhaps you should petition them to cease production to raise the value of the 1st and 2nd gen flights they sold in the 80s. Just a thought.
Greg_Hanna
May 14 2009, 10:30 AM
Base-----------------------------------------------------------------------MadCowboy
Just playin'!!
Dr.Frankenripper
May 14 2009, 12:19 PM
RL isn't making reproductions or exacts -- if any thing the make retro and its no where near being the same ...... just a thought - b.cal you still hiding behind out where people can't really tell you what they think of you ?

its sad being lonely huh ?
cheez
May 14 2009, 01:39 PM
Wasup Dr Frank, goin to the rock this year? Wings and beer man, wings and beer
3rd gear
May 14 2009, 01:47 PM
Isn't that a picture of Haneys display cabinet? he sent me pics and they were there. Are they now in your museum?
Dr.Frankenripper
May 14 2009, 05:27 PM
QUOTE (cheez @ May 14 2009, 07:39 PM)

Wasup Dr Frank, goin to the rock this year? Wings and beer man, wings and beer
sounds sooooo good - checkin out the wings while we're at it to boot

but life's on full speed ahead right now so i may have to miss it this year as well ...... there's always the next, unless i find a way to make it happen.
Jeff V
May 14 2009, 05:40 PM
Make it happen Doc!!
Dr.Frankenripper
May 14 2009, 05:46 PM
werd.
Nighthawk
May 14 2009, 05:46 PM
QUOTE
They were back in the day considered the "top of the line" cranks and even then worth a few hundreds more than Flights or Box cranks...
Sorry but I just don't agree with this statement. Back when they came out, word got out almost immediately that Aerospeeds were junk, and nobody bought them; at least in the Chicagoland area. Even the guys on Trick Stars preferred Flights. That's why they're rare, nobody bought them and anyone that did, usually broke them.
juanrmattos
May 14 2009, 08:24 PM
YES, I would have to agree... The big problem was with the spindle...
But in our case (Down in South America), having Aero Speeds, Flights or Profile cranks was a nearly impossible (Unless you flew to the Estates for vacation, they were worth three times as much there)... And for us, the only way Aero Speeds were obtainable was if you had either a Trick Star or a Pro Star (You had to be "really-really" wealthy).. So in our heads they were top of the line
It only took me 25 years to be able to afford one of these sets... And when I was finally able to find a few they were 3K and up.....
MadCowboy
May 15 2009, 12:16 AM
QUOTE (Greg_Hanna @ May 14 2009, 11:30 AM)

Base-----------------------------------------------------------------------MadCowboy
Just playin'!!
Not exactly sure what you meant here, but im assuming you're implying im off base or didnt understand what drfrankenripper was talking about but if thats the case, i feel i was right on target. To some, "vintage" is about the money and to some it's not. I fall under the latter category. I'd love to have alot of the stuff posted here because it takes me back to a favorite time in my life. You cant buy that feeling and you certainly cant sell it. Id rather see 3k people with a set of aerospeeds for 300 bucks than i would 300 people with aerospeeds for 3k bucks. but thats me and my two pennies.
Race Inc dude
May 15 2009, 05:57 AM
I stick with components that are reliable. Profiles and redlines are great products, cant go wrong with either, and the correct era, but to each his own.
b.cal
May 15 2009, 11:04 AM
QUOTE (Dr.Frankenripper @ May 14 2009, 07:19 PM)

RL isn't making reproductions or exacts -- if any thing the make retro and its no where near being the same ...... just a thought - b.cal you still hiding behind out where people can't really tell you what they think of you ?

its sad being lonely huh ?
Who's hiding? I believe i'm right here calling you a sissy boy! That is what you are right? And be careful with my luggage when loading it, i have several boxes of Hutch pedals in them.
mikkopeters
May 15 2009, 01:15 PM
I heard the next big thing is recovered vintage tire air. And you think I am kidding. There is a facility in Ohio that claims they have recovered vintage air from cars in junkyards for use in vintage cars. It's only a matter of time before this moves into the vintage BMX circles. It's not cheap, they want $89/shipped for a can that does one full sized car tire. For a "matched set" of air it's $300+.
scott84
May 15 2009, 01:35 PM
QUOTE (MadCowboy @ May 15 2009, 01:16 AM)

Not exactly sure what you meant here, but im assuming you're implying im off base or didnt understand what drfrankenripper was talking about but if thats the case, i feel i was right on target. To some, "vintage" is about the money and to some it's not. I fall under the latter category. I'd love to have alot of the stuff posted here because it takes me back to a favorite time in my life. You cant buy that feeling and you certainly cant sell it. Id rather see 3k people with a set of aerospeeds for 300 bucks than i would 300 people with aerospeeds for 3k bucks. but thats me and my two pennies.
Ah, a man of my own heart. Couldn't have said it any better, my friend. Very well stated.
agentheinz
May 15 2009, 03:04 PM
QUOTE
recovered vintage tire air
OK, bro...this I gotta see. Verification!
mikkopeters
May 15 2009, 03:22 PM
QUOTE (agentheinz @ May 15 2009, 10:04 PM)

OK, bro...this I gotta see. Verification!
Ummmm.... I heard it from Cheez.
freestyl
May 15 2009, 04:20 PM
I've heard all this talk about Hutch cranks, but as I've said before, I never broke a single pair and I ran them all the time. I still have an OG set that are fine to this day. I also don't remember seeing any of my team mates (Mike, Donovan, Rick, Brian, etc) break them either? Back when I rode for Hutch, I literally rode 6 to 10 hours a day on my bike. Either practicing flatland, jumping, ramps, etc. Only time I didn't ride was when I was hurt or traveling. I think if you were the type of rider who broke cranks, chances are, you also broke redlines, cooks, or anything else that was made. I do know some people were just harder on bikes and parts than others. For me it was wheels. Brian use to threaten me with Moto Mags all the time if he had to lace me up "just one more wheel". I played a big part in testing the whole race lace theory-LOL. I will say the worst injury I ever saw from cranks breaking was from a set of flight cranks snapping off at the spindle and there was a jagged edge left exposed and the guy riding it ripped the inside of his calf wide open almost to his knee. That was a bad one for sure. FYI, I also still have two sets of flight cranks from BITD that I also never broke and they are in great shape.. To each his own. I also remember at times it was tough to get a set.
MikeCarruth
May 15 2009, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (freestyl @ May 15 2009, 05:20 PM)

the worst injury I ever saw from cranks breaking was from a set of flight cranks snapping off at the spindle and there was a jagged edge left exposed and the guy riding it ripped the inside of his calf wide open almost to his knee. That was a bad one for sure.
UGH! That happened to me with a pair of Ashtabula 191s. The arm broke off at the curve where the spindle would be on three piece cranks. I was on a down stroke, and the arm broke, sending me under the bike, with that razor sharp end cutting DEEEEP into the top of my thigh (was wearing shorts, of course). We were in the middle of nowhere, riding some trails out by the main runway approach at O'Hare. Somehow, my homies got an ambulance there. 30 years later, that scar still persists. And it is still scary to put full power onto a set of cranks.
M
Race Inc dude
May 15 2009, 08:06 PM
MC. I did that once one a mountain with multi speeds and the chain skipped. It took a long time to get my confidence back to put the power back to the pedals. Single speed I am fine but derailleurs scare me
MadCowboy
May 16 2009, 12:25 AM
QUOTE (MikeCarruth @ May 15 2009, 05:55 PM)

UGH! That happened to me with a pair of Ashtabula 191s. The arm broke off at the curve where the spindle would be on three piece cranks. I was on a down stroke, and the arm broke, sending me under the bike, with that razor sharp end cutting DEEEEP into the top of my thigh (was wearing shorts, of course). We were in the middle of nowhere, riding some trails out by the main runway approach at O'Hare. Somehow, my homies got an ambulance there. 30 years later, that scar still persists. And it is still scary to put full power onto a set of cranks.
M
Those injuries far away from home are the worst! Especially if it wasnt serious enough for an ambulance because you had to ride all the way back hurt. I launched off a jump at the bottom of a levee about 10 miles from home and landed hard on my tailbone. I broke my collarbone there another time. Both times sucked hard riding back. Even though I only bruised my tailbone, it was the worst bike ride home of my life! It hurt to peddle and it hurt to sit on the seat. I still cringe thinking about that one.
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