Thought I would get this out in the open in case it hasnt already been released. Theres a dude in Canada selling a a bunch of Bullseye stuff on ebay. Claims to have been an old dealer and purchased large quantities of Bullseye product bitd. I placed an order with him not too long ago myself. After I discovered he never sent the product out, I started a paypal claim and got my money back. But then I just recently received information from Steve over at Bullseye, claiming a friend of his had ordered a hub set. When he got them they just didnt seem right. So he sent them to Steve. After inspecting them they turned out to be knockoffs. Additionally there is another guy (or maybe the same-who knows)on this website that is doing the same. http://www.twhitesbikes.co.nz/blog/2008_11_01_archive.html. Please beware . If you want me to name names , pm me

Please just name names.

Thats not good!!!!!

I have seen the stuff on evilbay and nearly bought some axles. Are you talking about the hubs he shows at the near the bottom of his page? Those are definitely not Bullseye hubs, but he doesn't claim the to be either, at least, not on his web page.

I've been talking to Steve about these hubs. I bought mine from a guy in B.C. with an ebay name of 98210 sucks. I'm not totally certain that mine are knockoffs yet, so I'm not going to voice any opinions or anything at this time. I'll wait until Steve confirms my suspicions. In the meantime I have a set of "rare, small bolt" bullseyes that I'm willing to let go of for a song!!!!

JP

Here's a pic of the possible offenders.

JP

And another:



JP

That's 302zapper. Not exactly a shining reputation.

Yes the guy you mentioned is the one selling those. Apparently he was once 302zapper. And is a machinist. Have been told he has attempted to sell other bmx knockoffs in the past. Anyone out there that can confirm this ?

Keep us updated on this one. this ebay user (98210 sucks) has bought alot of high dollar stuff from me on ebay. He always paid good and seemed legitimate / never had any trouble with him. I'd be curious to know if he is making these, or if he just had a set and sold them not realizing they were fake. If he is really making these I'm gonna block his bids on my stuff in the future. Cool looking hubs though.

I bought some Kuwie decals from him a couple years ago. They were repops, but that was stated in the auction. How can you tell these hubs are fake?

So I take it the hub shells are one piece instead of 3? Still look cool, but if he is selling as Bullseye than shame on him

There are several things that when added together started to raise my suspicion. First, there's the little bit about the small end bolts. Apparently these were supposed to be the first generation of bullseyes with end bolts, but in another auction of his he has the same bolts on a hub with a new style decal. Speaking of decals, my decals also look to be repops. But the kicker for me was the bearings. If these are indeed old school hubs (NOS no less) why do they have chinese made bearings?

That's about all the evidence I have other than Steve Jackson the Director at Bullseye told me they were repops.

JP

"I'd be curious to know if he is making these, or if he just had a set and sold them not realizing they were fake. If he is really making these I'm gonna block his bids on my stuff in the future. Cool looking hubs though."

He has sold at least ten pairs of these hubs already and numerous replacement axles/bolts. My hubs look a lot better in the photo than they do in person. The machining is spot on, but the color is dull and depressing looking. It's far from bright and glossy. I was disappointed with them even before I suspected their authenticity.

JP

Over the last few years I've only bought Bullseye stuff from Steve Jackson - unless it's second hand from another ebayer and clearly used authentic.


Maybe this new guy should put 'Honk honk honk! Notice me! Please!' stickers on his to differentiate providence? Those bolts would slip through the dropout slots if there wasn't a washer to hold them back!

Wow, I've just noticed if you use moderately strong language in your postings that you get 'Honk, honk' in the actual posting.

What happened to the contextual use of language?

That's quite a good piece of software.

I'm the same way. Nothing against people who have actual Bullseye products but Steve has new and old and his stuff is simply the best out there. Plus, I bought a cool Bullseye t-shirt from him.

I have a friend who had a set of Bullseye hubs he bought new from Dans about 10 yrs ago that came with the little bolts. New style decal was on them.

I bought mine from Trend in 1989 and they are small bolt with new style logo (for the time). I suspect these are fake because Bullseye used bearing with orangy-red seals not too mention the width of his out shells looks narrower to me. From what i can tell, Roger Durham holds the patent on how the 3 pieces are assembled to make the hub shell. I could have misunderstood what I read. If these are truly fakes, someone needs to get an Steve/Bullseye needs to get an attorney on this.

Steve's on the case. He told me mine were indeed fakes. Good to know about the small bolts.

JP

You guys have posted alot of good giveaways. The older hubs will always look like they were put together by hand. If the hubs look absolutely perfect. I.e the freewheel threads. the spoke holes and especially the coloring then chances are there fake. The small allens are NOT an indication of 1st gen hubs. That was actually the second idea of Rogers. The bolt thru was first. The small allen was generally for smaller and lighter riders with a max weight of 140lbs. The large allen took over where the small allen failed. All 3 types were always available , but by special order. As far as the bearings go there were at least 4 different types. Obviously the ever famous orange, then the blue enduro and 2 versions in black NMB and KBC. I believe the bearings were from korea or singapore. Also it was possible to get the new logo hubs as early as 1983-84, with a bit of overlap due to a shortage of the oval decals and printer problem

I just found these on ebay, look real?

http://cgi.ebay.com/BULLSEYE-VINTAGE-BMX-H...93%3A1|294%3A50

this guy's got a whole bunch of them listed in different colors...

Im so sick of A LOT of the sellers on ebay. It's pretty obvious the one's trying to hide something with their weird angles in photos, or lack of quality photos even tho their other 5 postings are with a 1500 megapixel camera. But the real pisser is the keyword stackers. Try looking up GT and see how many items actually had anything to do with that company.

"Mint Old School axle nut off a Vintage Survivor 70s or early 80s Mongoose Motomag or Tuffwheel I or IIs. Will fit GT Skyway Redline JMC Mongoose...err wait i already plugged that in., oh yeah Diamond Back Hutch and Graphites..." grrrr i hate that crap!

Those look real to me, but I can't claim the same level of expertise as many here on the site. That fella' selling them seems to do a lot of business and seems pretty legit. He doesn't seem like the type of operation that would jeopardize his business by selling fakes.

Those hubs sure look rad though!

JP