Would these bars also be the same bars used on 1985 Haro Masters?
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=100594
They look like the same ones to me. I am restoring an 85 master with some parts from the master that I had when I was 15 and need a set of bars. These are in my price range I just want to make sure I am getting the proper bars. Thank you!
Those bars are different, but a lot of people run the 88 style on older models because they are easier to find.
85 and 86 bars are huge !! I run a nos set of 86 bars on my 86 Master and it always amazes me how big theses bars are. Hope that helps.
85 and 86 bars are huge !! I run a nos set of 86 bars on my 86 Master and it always amazes me how big theses bars are. Hope that helps.
QUOTE (sonikk71 @ Dec 25 2008, 08:18 AM) 
Would these bars also be the same bars used on 1985 Haro Masters?
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=100594
They look like the same ones to me. I am restoring an 85 master with some parts from the master that I had when I was 15 and need a set of bars. These are in my price range I just want to make sure I am getting the proper bars. Thank you!
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=100594
They look like the same ones to me. I am restoring an 85 master with some parts from the master that I had when I was 15 and need a set of bars. These are in my price range I just want to make sure I am getting the proper bars. Thank you!
QUOTE (ROBERTO @ Dec 24 2008, 11:57 PM)
Those bars are different, but a lot of people run the 88 style on older models because they are easier to find.
85 and 86 bars are huge !! I run a nos set of 86 bars on my 86 Master and it always amazes me how big theses bars are. Hope that helps.
85 and 86 bars are huge !! I run a nos set of 86 bars on my 86 Master and it always amazes me how big theses bars are. Hope that helps.
Thank you so much for the reply I really appreciate it. Your 88 black master is awesome!
You know it is funny I was thinking they looked smaller but was attributing that to the angle of the pic. I remember that the old bars where huge! At least they seemed that way to me when I was 15!
If anyone else has any info on mid 80s haro freestyle bars they wish to impart I would love to hear it. I have a great memory but man the level of knowledge on this site is excellent! Thank you all!
Haro bars in 85/86 were all over the place in size, shape, knurling, tubing tapers, etc. As Roberto mentioned above - 85 bars are HUGE, as in wide. The crossbar has different positions in height too. At one point I had about 15 pair of 85/86 bars and I layed them all together and you would have been amazed at the differences in just about every aspect of their geometry from one set to another.
The rarest of rare are the original 1985 bars that are stamped ANLUN 4130 under the right grip area. That stamp later changed to HARO 4130 and sometimes HARO SAE 4130. Sometimes no stamping at all. Some bars had knurling at the clamp spot, some had split knurling, some had no knurling. Then there are the 86 bars with the wierd tapered down legs that are then bigger at the clamping spot.
At that point I'm sure they were trying to keep up with demand and changing production companies and outsourcing production to meet their demand too.
The rarest of rare are the original 1985 bars that are stamped ANLUN 4130 under the right grip area. That stamp later changed to HARO 4130 and sometimes HARO SAE 4130. Sometimes no stamping at all. Some bars had knurling at the clamp spot, some had split knurling, some had no knurling. Then there are the 86 bars with the wierd tapered down legs that are then bigger at the clamping spot.
At that point I'm sure they were trying to keep up with demand and changing production companies and outsourcing production to meet their demand too.
QUOTE (Chevron Envy @ Dec 25 2008, 01:44 PM)
Haro bars in 85/86 were all over the place in size, shape, knurling, tubing tapers, etc. As Roberto mentioned above - 85 bars are HUGE, as in wide. The crossbar has different positions in height too. At one point I had about 15 pair of 85/86 bars and I layed them all together and you would have been amazed at the differences in just about every aspect of their geometry from one set to another.
The rarest of rare are the original 1985 bars that are stamped ANLUN 4130 under the right grip area. That stamp later changed to HARO 4130 and sometimes HARO SAE 4130. Sometimes no stamping at all. Some bars had knurling at the clamp spot, some had split knurling, some had no knurling. Then there are the 86 bars with the wierd tapered down legs that are then bigger at the clamping spot.
At that point I'm sure they were trying to keep up with demand and changing production companies and outsourcing production to meet their demand too.
The rarest of rare are the original 1985 bars that are stamped ANLUN 4130 under the right grip area. That stamp later changed to HARO 4130 and sometimes HARO SAE 4130. Sometimes no stamping at all. Some bars had knurling at the clamp spot, some had split knurling, some had no knurling. Then there are the 86 bars with the wierd tapered down legs that are then bigger at the clamping spot.
At that point I'm sure they were trying to keep up with demand and changing production companies and outsourcing production to meet their demand too.
Thank you for all the info. I don't remember my 85 haro bars having the stamping under the grip area, (I think I would have remembered that.) I do remember them having non split knurling. I remember my bars having the crossbar at about medium height. I have seen haro bars with the crossbar really high and they always looked odd to my eyes. Do the different versions correlate to time? For example early bars had the stamp under the grip etc? Just wondering.
The earliest 85 bars were almost all stamped with either ANLUN, HARO, or HARO SAE and then "4130" if they were, in fact, chromoly versions of the bars.
I'll finish this later.....gotta go
I'll finish this later.....gotta go
QUOTE (Chevron Envy @ Dec 25 2008, 08:40 PM)
The earliest 85 bars were almost all stamped with either ANLUN, HARO, or HARO SAE and then "4130" if they were, in fact, chromoly versions of the bars.
I'll finish this later.....gotta go
I'll finish this later.....gotta go
Is it later yet?
QUOTE (sonikk71 @ Dec 27 2008, 05:40 PM)
Is it later yet?
Sorry bro, I got sidetracked. Yes, it IS later now. I'll proceed.
The earliest versions were almost all stamped, that I know of - with either of the stampings described above. The best I could guess on a chronological list would be this...
FIRST GENERATION:
STAMPED: "ANLUN, SAE 4130" early 1985 : I'm assuming these were the very first bars made - only because these bars seemed to specifically come on the earliest Master and Sports that didn't have the knurling on the chainstays, had the bigger downtube gussets, etc. I covet these type of frames so I like these bars - they aren't easy to find. As a side note, the original smooth ANLUN-stamped laid back seatposts were also probably shipping on these early 85 Masters / Sports - the posts are just as rare, in my opinion.
SECOND GENERATION
STAMPED: "HARO, SAE 4130" early to mid 1985 - this is where the lengths, heights, backweep, and upsweep started to go all over the place. Honestly, it doesn't even make sense to me because there are so many differences. I have yet to see any kind of pattern. This is also the time when knurling started changing, some split, some solid, some had NONE.
THIRD GENERATION
STAMPED: "HARO 4130", "SAE 4130" - I'm going to assume late 85 to all 86's. The geometry continues to fluctuate wildly. This is also where the "tapered leg" bars begin to appear. In my humble opinion, the tapered leg bars of this era were FUGLY. The workmanship of these things were terrible. If you have a set, lay them down on a table with the backsweep down - you'll see what I mean.
Well, gotta go again, I hope this helps. If I have some time, I'll post some pictures of examples of this stuff, but it will probably be no sooner than a week from now.
Mike
QUOTE (Chevron Envy @ Dec 29 2008, 12:07 PM)
Sorry bro, I got sidetracked. Yes, it IS later now. I'll proceed.
The earliest versions were almost all stamped, that I know of - with either of the stampings described above. The best I could guess on a chronological list would be this...
FIRST GENERATION:
STAMPED: "ANLUN, SAE 4130" early 1985 : I'm assuming these were the very first bars made - only because these bars seemed to specifically come on the earliest Master and Sports that didn't have the knurling on the chainstays, had the bigger downtube gussets, etc. I covet these type of frames so I like these bars - they aren't easy to find. As a side note, the original smooth ANLUN-stamped laid back seatposts were also probably shipping on these early 85 Masters / Sports - the posts are just as rare, in my opinion.
SECOND GENERATION
STAMPED: "HARO, SAE 4130" early to mid 1985 - this is where the lengths, heights, backweep, and upsweep started to go all over the place. Honestly, it doesn't even make sense to me because there are so many differences. I have yet to see any kind of pattern. This is also the time when knurling started changing, some split, some solid, some had NONE.
THIRD GENERATION
STAMPED: "HARO 4130", "SAE 4130" - I'm going to assume late 85 to all 86's. The geometry continues to fluctuate wildly. This is also where the "tapered leg" bars begin to appear. In my humble opinion, the tapered leg bars of this era were FUGLY. The workmanship of these things were terrible. If you have a set, lay them down on a table with the backsweep down - you'll see what I mean.
Well, gotta go again, I hope this helps. If I have some time, I'll post some pictures of examples of this stuff, but it will probably be no sooner than a week from now.
Mike
The earliest versions were almost all stamped, that I know of - with either of the stampings described above. The best I could guess on a chronological list would be this...
FIRST GENERATION:
STAMPED: "ANLUN, SAE 4130" early 1985 : I'm assuming these were the very first bars made - only because these bars seemed to specifically come on the earliest Master and Sports that didn't have the knurling on the chainstays, had the bigger downtube gussets, etc. I covet these type of frames so I like these bars - they aren't easy to find. As a side note, the original smooth ANLUN-stamped laid back seatposts were also probably shipping on these early 85 Masters / Sports - the posts are just as rare, in my opinion.
SECOND GENERATION
STAMPED: "HARO, SAE 4130" early to mid 1985 - this is where the lengths, heights, backweep, and upsweep started to go all over the place. Honestly, it doesn't even make sense to me because there are so many differences. I have yet to see any kind of pattern. This is also the time when knurling started changing, some split, some solid, some had NONE.
THIRD GENERATION
STAMPED: "HARO 4130", "SAE 4130" - I'm going to assume late 85 to all 86's. The geometry continues to fluctuate wildly. This is also where the "tapered leg" bars begin to appear. In my humble opinion, the tapered leg bars of this era were FUGLY. The workmanship of these things were terrible. If you have a set, lay them down on a table with the backsweep down - you'll see what I mean.
Well, gotta go again, I hope this helps. If I have some time, I'll post some pictures of examples of this stuff, but it will probably be no sooner than a week from now.
Mike
Wow thanks again for the knowledge. I look forward to next post on this subject whenever you get the pics /info up
To add to Mike's very thorough Descriptions
Here are some pics of Haro Bars to correlate
SECOND GENERATION
STAMPED: "HARO, SAE 4130" early to mid 1985 - this is where the lengths, heights, backweep, and upsweep started to go all over the place. These were SUPER tall and wide bars...
THIRD GENERATION - 86 Tapered Leg version
This is also where the "tapered leg" bars begin to appear.
I'm actually a fan of the "Fugly" version.. but .. I know what you're saying mike.. there are TONS of inconsistency in every aspect of the craftsmaship and geometry.
Then in late 86 - 87 (and pretty much continued on various Haro bikes until about 1992) - Haro came out with the bars we all know and love. (Which still had tons of production inconsistency).
Hope that helps a little.
Here are some pics of Haro Bars to correlate
SECOND GENERATION
STAMPED: "HARO, SAE 4130" early to mid 1985 - this is where the lengths, heights, backweep, and upsweep started to go all over the place. These were SUPER tall and wide bars...
THIRD GENERATION - 86 Tapered Leg version
This is also where the "tapered leg" bars begin to appear.
I'm actually a fan of the "Fugly" version.. but .. I know what you're saying mike.. there are TONS of inconsistency in every aspect of the craftsmaship and geometry.
Then in late 86 - 87 (and pretty much continued on various Haro bikes until about 1992) - Haro came out with the bars we all know and love. (Which still had tons of production inconsistency).
Hope that helps a little.
Wow thanks guys. All this info is very helpful.
QUOTE (sonikk71 @ Dec 30 2008, 06:40 PM)
Wow thanks guys. All this info is very helpful.
I meant to add, the Turquoise Haro bars you were originally referring to in that sales post, are 1988 Haro bars. the same shape as the ones I posted last. Most likely came from an 88 Haro Invert I saw get parted out on that site recently.
QUOTE (chromey @ Dec 30 2008, 06:49 PM)
I meant to add, the Turquoise Haro bars you were originally referring to in that sales post, are 1988 Haro bars. the same shape as the ones I posted last. Most likely came from an 88 Haro Invert I saw get parted out on that site recently.
Yeah that is why I posted this thread. From the camera angle it was hard to tell and I do not have the eye that some of you guys here on the boards have when it comes to Haro bars. I am ok with frames and forks and a lot of the other components but not the bars. I guess my search goes on for a set of 85 haro freestyle bars at a reasonable price...
Matt to the rescue! Nice info!
So these Dyno bars look a lot like Haro freestyle bars, where they made by Anlun also? (they look to be about the same dimensions and crossbar height is about the same as 85 bars) I know Anlun made alot of parts in that time frame.
The only thing I can tell you is that I've seen a lot of "similar" looking bars to Haros but they've never had the EXACT mating of the crossbar to the u-shaped portion of the bars.
The Haros had a unique "wrap-around" style to the way that crossbar intersected.
It's true Anlun made A LOT of parts - especially for Haro and Redline during that time frame. Again, the stamping on the bars tells you for sure what you have. Anlun-stamped being the EARLIEST version of the bars.
The Haros had a unique "wrap-around" style to the way that crossbar intersected.
It's true Anlun made A LOT of parts - especially for Haro and Redline during that time frame. Again, the stamping on the bars tells you for sure what you have. Anlun-stamped being the EARLIEST version of the bars.
QUOTE (Chevron Envy @ Jan 7 2009, 01:54 PM)
The only thing I can tell you is that I've seen a lot of "similar" looking bars to Haros but they've never had the EXACT mating of the crossbar to the u-shaped portion of the bars.
The Haros had a unique "wrap-around" style to the way that crossbar intersected.
It's true Anlun made A LOT of parts - especially for Haro and Redline during that time frame. Again, the stamping on the bars tells you for sure what you have. Anlun-stamped being the EARLIEST version of the bars.
The Haros had a unique "wrap-around" style to the way that crossbar intersected.
It's true Anlun made A LOT of parts - especially for Haro and Redline during that time frame. Again, the stamping on the bars tells you for sure what you have. Anlun-stamped being the EARLIEST version of the bars.
Yeah I remember how the haro crossbars seem to really wrap around the uprights.
Shameless plug I have these up on eBay as we speak
stamped Anlun SAE 4130 on the left side knurled cross bar and where the gooseneck goes
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stamped Anlun SAE 4130 on the left side knurled cross bar and where the gooseneck goes
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They are the original version, the "first gen" if you will. VERY rare indeed. Scott, wow, I haven't seen you on here if a LOOOONG time.
Woot! Now they are mine...
Reviving this old thread (great thread btw!)...
Were the 87/88 FST/FSX handlebars full chromoly or mild steel? I'm thinking they were most likely the latter but I've not been able to confirm that yet. Is there any way to definitively distinguish between FST/FSX bars vs. those that came with the Master or Sport?
Thanks!
Jeff
Were the 87/88 FST/FSX handlebars full chromoly or mild steel? I'm thinking they were most likely the latter but I've not been able to confirm that yet. Is there any way to definitively distinguish between FST/FSX bars vs. those that came with the Master or Sport?
Thanks!
Jeff
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