Top tube measures 20.5 inches. There are gussets welded onto top and downtube at the headtube junction. Usual wishbone chainstays with the fat tube going to the bottom bracket shell. Odd head tube sticker... I've never seen one like this before. The bars appear to be Beringer bars that have been (sadly) cut down to 25". Forks don't look like S&M forks judging by the fork tabs...

Which frame is this?

The other question would be... when was it made?

Thanks in advance for any info!

It looks like a Josh Stricker model. It is either 2003 or 05. I had one just like that.

I agree. it's newer. definitely after the "over built" "heavy as all hell" phase of BMX in the late 90's/2000s... could even be newer than 05?

I thought the Stricker frames had the laser-cut anchor brace between the seat stays... this one just has a plain tube brace between the seat stays which is the same diameter as the stays...



Anybody know what the forks are from looking at the fork tab? I have no idea... they don't look like any of my Pitch Forks or Ditch Forks at the tabs... did S&M change up the fork tabs aswell?

Thanks again!

Stricker,the newer Strickers are the ones with the anchor brace and those look like all the pitchforks I've had.(not the race version)but there's been lots of copies over the years.

here's a pic of another
http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index....amp;hl=stricker

Cool thanks! Looks like we have nailed down the frame ID... mine has an American BB so it's probably earlier than the blue one?

My other Pitch Forks have very rounded fork tabs that have a large section of metal under the fork leg. These do look very similar as if they might be the same fork with some of the fork tab trimmed away... did S&M go to this more triangular looking fork tab later? Most of my stuff is pretty old (2000 or earlier) so I don't have much to compare with.

Thanks again!

yeah,

the early ones were beefy,then they slimmed them down like that.

Very cool! Thanks!

I might strip the forks and clearcoat them along with the seat post to match the frame...

The forks have goo on them from decals but I can't tell which ones were on there... which decals did they put on the forks at that time...

... and judging by the square head tube decal, what year is it?

Thanks again for everyone's help!

I'm guessing a "Next Generation" Holmes or Dirt Bike. Serial #?

The Holmes and Dirt Bike frames I have seen did not have the gusseting on the top tube...

well since the other one was a 95,yours must be a 93-4
send those pics to S&M and ask,they might know...

slap that baby together and go beat the hell out of it.


I have a new lighter 08 Stricker for sale & cheap:)

looks like a 2001/2002 S&M TV (trails version) frame
i might bet on that hehe

It seems that S&M made three frames that are so similar that I doubt the folks at S&M can even tell them apart... welcome to "new school".

I'll drop them an e-mail, but I won't hold my breath as I have never had a reply from any e-mails that I have sent them... I'm sure they are plenty busy though.

I'll get some pics of it up along with the other stickerless S&M bike that I was told was a PBR by the previous owner... some very slight differences but those might just have to do with the model years...

... at any rate, this bike was a major score and I totally love it!

the PBR would have a shorter rear triangle. check the center of drops to center of BB. if it's around 14 1/2" then it's a TrailsVersion. Besides, the headtube decal is what was on a TV, not a PBR or any other models. American BB right? It's a 2001 model most likely. 2002 the decals changed. I have both a 2001 Race Frame and a 2002 Race Frame. mid-2002 the RF went to euro BB. The 2001 TV and RF were the same frame except for an extra gusst on top of toptube and 990 mounts on the TV instead of canti's.
Oh, and looks like 3/8" drops...PBR prolly was 14mm even then.

the PBR had way larger dropouts than those.

SS I think you might be correct,here's a pic of a TV and it has the same headtube sticker.

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/15216

It is an American BB... and both my "PBR" and the mystery frame are 14.5" center-to-center on the chainstay length... the "PBR" has 14mm dropouts that are smaller and the mystery frame has 3/8" dropouts slightly larger. The "PBR" has a hole drilled in the cross brace between the seatstays as if someone might put a sidepull caliper on it and the mystery frame doesn't... the "PBR" has raised-relief S&M crests on the headtube/downtube gussets and at the back of the bottom bracket extension and the mystery frame doesn't...

Overall, the angles look the same and one can see where the "PBR" is lengthened out to 21" whereas the mystery frame is a 20.5" by looking at the space between the top tube and downtube where they meet the head tube...

Maybe what I thought was a PBR really is not? ... maybe these are both the same frame from different years... both are American BB...

The Black bike in the front is the "PBR" and the raw one is the new mystery bike...









The forks look identical with the exception of the fork tabs.

The bars on the mystery bike were cut down to 25"... way too small! I tried to ride it and it felt like a Razor scooter... so I slapped on a new set of Grand Slams! Man those are some big bars! They barely fit through my front door!

man those seats are HIGH...so what did you have to pay?

on a PBR,the chainstays and seatstay dont come together in the dropouts.those 'look' spread apart,how about a close up of them.?

The seats have to be high... I'm close to 6'4" and I go for long rides.

I don't like to brag on what I pay for things, so let's just say I got a really good deal on both of them...

The chainstays do not meet the seatstays on either frame. The spacing between them on the "PBR" is wide enough for me to put my finger between them at the dropout and on the mystery frame they are a bit closer. My guess is that they shortened up the stays just a hair to compensate for the smaller dropout and larger 14mm axle on the "PBR" frame...

So the headtube decal on the mystery bike rules out the idea that it might be a PBR right? Didn't the PBR have a Pabst logo of some kind?

... and maybe what I thought was a PBR isn't actually a PBR...

I used to joke about poor suckers who would have to try to identify new-school frames... now I have become one! hahaha

Thanks for everyone's help! I love my S&M bikes!

the raw bike is not a PBR for sure.


here's a couple of PBR's(the stickers looked like PBR logos)
how about a better pic of those dropouts on yours.

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/8233

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/13836

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/16814

Here's a pic of the "PBR" dropout with the mystery bike behind it... well I guess the "PBR" is now the mystery bike...

I didn't plan the angle of this shot very well at all... but out of a batch of 100+ pics that I took this afternoon, this one shows the dropouts the best...

The bike in front is the "PBR" with 14mm axle... the bike behind it is the "mystery bike" with 3/8" axle.



The stays come slightly closer together on the mystery bike... but they don't touch.

I think the the mystery has been solved..
the raw frame is T.V. ,good call SS
here's a R.V. I found on EGAY(look at the dropouts,same shape as yours)

http://cgi.ebay.com/S-M-Race-Series-BMX-Fr...id=p3286.c0.m14

and the black frame is a Stricker.~!
the drop outs are not PBR shaped at all ,they look like Stricker dropouts(even the new ones,like mine, have the same shape only differance is a triangle cutout to save a tiny bit of weight)
the Stricker chainstay length is 14-15" too.

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/2305979/

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/13950

My black frame has an American BB shell... did they make the Stricker with American BB?

Thanks again for all your help!

still not convinced hun?

I bet they made both or just changed it up the next year or mid year.. as they did on the current Strickers>>made the TT lower and started using a round seatstay brace(with anchor cutout) instead of a anchor brace.

Hehe... I don't think anyone will ever really know for sure what it is, but it's fun to play detective!

Whatever it is, it sure rides nice!

I thought about cutting out the label from a PBR can and gluing it to the head tube... but since I can't be sure, maybe I'll put an Olympia label on it!

Josh Stricker would'nt care if you put on a PBR stricker on his sig. frame.

drop those seats and tilt them bars back a little though.

Hehe... I'll do that sometime and then get someone to take a picture of me so everyone can see how silly I look!

I don't know if this will help any, but here's the S&M catalog from 2003 with the PBR, Stricker and RV in it... unfortunatly the TV isn't there though....

Wow interesting stuff! Thanks for posting!

The fork in the drawings looks exactly like the fork on this bike, but the Pitch Fork in the pics has big fork tabs...

The fork I have is EXACTLY like a Pitch Fork in every way except for the fork tabs being straight cut. They look as if someone took a Pitch Fork and cut off the fat from the fork tabs. Could these be some kind of Pitch Fork light from before the XLT era? ... or maybe Metal Bikes or FIT forks? I know S&M was making their stuff too... from looking in the steerer tube at the way the threaded insert is welded, I have no doubt that they were made by the same people that made the Pitch Forks that I have...

I'm an S&M freak! ... wheee! ... where's my leather mask?

Its a TV from 2001 as stated earlier. I have a catalog from 2001 and thats it.

I had a chance to buy a 21" version for $100 when a local bike shop went out of business and didnt, wish I had.

Ya know, I am feeling that those forks are maybe the first FIT forks made in USA...the series ONE. I'd look into that. Who can show a pic of early Series One Fit forks?

Oh wait! Lookie here!

Look familiar? Looks like we solved it!

http://www.bmx-zone.com/de-article-id-199.html

Yep... that's the one... looks like you nailed it!

Case closed.

Thanks for your help!