Burcham
Sep 10 2008, 02:09 PM
In 1983 I had a great set of wheels. Chrome araya's, chrome spokes and campagnolo hubs.
From the few pics. I have I can tell the front hub is a high flange.
The rear looks to be a low flange. I know this could only be a guess and the options may be many.
But any thoughts of what style of hubs these would have been?
Were they a mixed match set being high and low flange?
And what about the axles, I sure they came with quick release. What axle would you have put in back then and or today?
Thanks.
Keep_It_Warm
Sep 10 2008, 04:11 PM
Campy's came in both high and low. If they were purchased originally as "track" hubs, the axles would have already been solid with track nuts. If they were bought as "road" hubs, then they would have had the QR's on them.
Campy hubs are 9 x 26tpi front and 10 x 26tpi rear. They still make after-market solid axle sets with nuts to convert the hubs.
Does this help?
dsmith
Sep 10 2008, 06:38 PM
these are campagnolo hubs
Bob Poffinbarger
Sep 11 2008, 09:28 AM
those look like Campy G's. had a set bitd. now I have a couple of sets. one high flange records, one low flange records. Harris Cyclery is where I got the track axles from. btw Damon, Did you race the Tahoe at South Shore and if you did were you team mates with the Hancock's?
dsmith
Sep 11 2008, 10:40 AM
QUOTE (Bob Poffinbarger @ Sep 11 2008, 10:28 AM)

those look like Campy G's. had a set bitd. now I have a couple of sets. one high flange records, one low flange records. Harris Cyclery is where I got the track axles from. btw Damon, Did you race the Tahoe at South Shore and if you did were you team mates with the Hancock's?
at the end i did.
yes i was,atlanta was factory,todd was co-sponsered
Burcham
Sep 11 2008, 11:44 AM
QUOTE (Keep_It_Warm @ Sep 10 2008, 04:11 PM)

Campy hubs are 9 x 26tpi front and 10 x 26tpi rear. They still make after-market solid axle sets with nuts to convert the hubs.
I don't understand what the measurements that you gave me are.
Are you referring to the spacing? The ones I've looked at on ebay give metric measurements.
I can tell you this from my pic. the hubs have the black band in the center of the hubs, I think this was to cover an oil port.
So what I'm asking is which model of campy hubs can I use and what spacing do they need to be?
From the pic. sent in above I see that we did run high flange back then. So I would say that I did have a match set of high flange.
Thanks for any info.
Keep_It_Warm
Sep 11 2008, 12:43 PM
You are correct, the black 'band' is the oil port covering clip. Those are Campy Record road hubs. Like these:

The dimensions I gave you are the axle dimensions (assuming you want to take out the hollow road axles with Quick Releases) and replace them with solid axles with track nuts.
- Campy front hubs take a 9mm diameter axle with 26 threads per inch threading
- Campy rear hubs take a 10mm diameter axle with 26 threads per inch threading
As for the spacing....to use the hubs on most BMX bikes, they need to be 100mm front / 110mm rear. These numbers indicate the overall distance from lock nut to lock nut. This spacing can be achieved by simply removing some of the aluminum spacers on the rear axle. The front should be already set at the desired 100mm.
Does this make sense?
Keep_It_Warm
Sep 11 2008, 12:47 PM
http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/axles.htmlFollow the link above. Scroll down the page to the last picture (2 axles pictured together). This is exactly what you need to convert the hubs from 'road hubs' with Quick Release to BMX hubs with solid axles.
AbeNitro
Sep 11 2008, 05:13 PM
In the early-mid 80s Campy actually made hubs that were set up for BMX and packaged that way from the factory. I had a set that was low flange front and rear wit the killer fat campy axlex and nice chrome nuts.
Reilley1
Sep 11 2008, 05:33 PM
The hubs were repackaged re-annodized Nuovo Tipos/Gran Sports. One step down from the Nuovo Records
Burcham
Sep 13 2008, 07:09 AM
Thanks for all the info and the pics.you've all put out there.
It's slowly starting to come back to me of the parts & things we used back then. I've had over a 20 yr. absents from the sport.
But now I feel like I'm 15 all over again(not in all ways) and I'm building my old ride.A Schwinn Sting.
I've picked up a N.O.S. set of chrome araya 7x's. And now to find the Campy hubs and a nice set of chrome spokes.
Let the ebay search begin.
Gary Mason WWR
Sep 13 2008, 10:12 AM
Just built up a set of the new Shimao Dur-ace small flange 32h track hubs . I used both large and small flange Campys bitd & these new shimano are the best Ive used . Roll forever and smooth , super light and oldschool look . I wouldnt recomend them for heavy guys though .
scottTowne
Sep 13 2008, 01:23 PM
The Campy BMX hubs (like pictured in Dsmith's photo) came with track axles and nuts, anodized in blue or gold and had the round holes. Not as cool as Records, but still Campys and still awesome. Probably already been said but my ADHD doesn't allow me to read all the posts. What was that again?
R. Serafin
Sep 13 2008, 01:54 PM
What are these campy hubs ? Campy hubs are sweeeet.
Burcham
Sep 13 2008, 02:34 PM
Serafin,
That is sick!!
What is the story on those?
I want the year on those.
I want the model.
I want, I want, I want!!
Sick, absolute sick!
Why are those not laced up?
maximum85
Sep 13 2008, 03:59 PM
thase are the "sheriff star" campy hub..c-record.those hubs are EXPENSIVE(500.00),and were late 80's.they are one of the best hubs i have seen
Reilley1
Sep 13 2008, 04:49 PM
Campy C-Record. Introduced to the general pop on 1985. To me, the most beautiful hub ever produced. Lots of myths abound about those hubs including the often sampled picture of the broken hubs. According to Richard Storino who ran Campy at the time, it was caused mostly by the tendency to use them with aero spokes which required the filing of the spoke hole. Also, contrary to what some people say, although they are popular referred as "Sheriff Stars" they were never called that by Campagnolo
84profile
Sep 13 2008, 06:58 PM
Token Horror Picture....
84profile
Sep 13 2008, 07:22 PM
BMX Specific - (now owned 83 Bon Jovi 83) - Beautiful
Roll'n Thunder
Sep 13 2008, 08:01 PM
QUOTE (84profile @ Sep 13 2008, 08:58 PM)

Token Horror Picture....

Anyone know the story behind how those failed?
DMG
Sep 14 2008, 01:41 AM
QUOTE (Roll'n Thunder @ Sep 13 2008, 10:01 PM)

Anyone know the story behind how those failed?
Not designed for hard shocks. IIRC they were designed for velo racing and the repeated (cyclic, no pun intended) shock of road or BMX led them to develop stress cracks and catastrophic failure?
I'm sure I could be off a little, someone correct me if I am wrong.
Evan
Sep 14 2008, 08:55 AM
QUOTE
Anyone know the story behind how those failed?
Story behind that actual picture and case
HERE.
Todd E
Sep 14 2008, 10:49 AM
Having flashbacks to I think Billy Griggs, Mike King and Rick Palmer running the star flanged type Campy hubs. Makes me want to go digging through old magazines for pics to reassure my flashbacks to ease my mind now.
AGUILAR3
Sep 14 2008, 12:38 PM
Campagnolo hubs are sweet when put on the right bike.
I have 4 sets of NOS BMX hubs in Blue and an NOS wheel set (ukai shiny side/Campy hub) in silver. (ebay tonight)
Sexiest hubs around...



You can also get a set of Skewered Campy's and have them converted by replacing the axles yourself or by sending them to your local Bike shop like I did on my Tipo HFs
Roll'n Thunder
Sep 14 2008, 01:53 PM
I was curious what the back story was because there's signs in the pic that abuse may not be the cause of failure.
Misuse maybe?
but it's hard to make that call without having the parts in front of me.
I've always been on the large side of the weight curve, and never had a problem with them.
Never seen a failure in person caused by misuse either.
It's not like I've seen "tons" of people run 'em in person, but enough to think there were other issues that lead to that hubs demise.
*Edit for typo
Bob Poffinbarger
Sep 14 2008, 03:53 PM
a friend of mine has the complete Campy BMX set-up. he has the hubs, cranks and pedals that are like brand new. the hubs ar laced to some blue 7c's that are incredible. now all he need to do is build his CBR up with all of it.
AGUILAR3
Sep 14 2008, 04:14 PM
QUOTE (Bob Poffinbarger @ Sep 14 2008, 02:53 PM)

a friend of mine has the complete Campy BMX set-up. he has the hubs, cranks and pedals that are like brand new. the hubs ar laced to some blue 7c's that are incredible. now all he need to do is build his CBR up with all of it.
gotta love Campy cranks and pedals.
What I found strange was the fact that the my Blue Campy pedals didnt quite fit the Campy cranks. I had to have the threads chased by a local bike shop inorder for them to fit.


If anyone out there has NOS Campy pedals,cranks and hubs,please hit me up.
Burcham
Sep 15 2008, 07:45 PM
I found a guy in the U.K. on ebay who has 3 NOS campagnolo (sheriff stars) rear hubs only. The
Price.........$385.00 + shipping!!!
So I think without having to find a "good"set of campys, swapping out the axles and polishing them,
I think I could just buy a new set of bullseye hubs and still be able to complement my araya 7x's
MadCowboy
Jun 26 2009, 03:47 PM
QUOTE (84profile @ Sep 13 2008, 08:22 PM)

BMX Specific - (now owned 83 Bon Jovi 83) - Beautiful

Did those have sealed or loose ball bearings?
smokin steve styler
Jun 26 2009, 05:22 PM
QUOTE (MadCowboy @ Jun 26 2009, 09:47 PM)

Did those have sealed or loose ball bearings?
Loose all the way. Campy was known for their loose ball smoothness.
This is the rear wheel on my KOS
Campy in gold I have had since new.
MadCowboy
Jun 26 2009, 08:29 PM
Cool. I just got got a set of pro class rims with the campy low flange hubs off the bay and never seen em before. They musta been before my time.
Bob Poffinbarger
Jun 27 2009, 02:12 PM
I have a set of low flange records on blue 7x's on my Kos Kruiser. they are a sweet set-up.
Mark 'Gonzo' Summers
Jun 28 2009, 06:10 AM
QUOTE (AGUILAR3 @ Sep 14 2008, 05:14 PM)

gotta love Campy cranks and pedals.
What I found strange was the fact that the my Blue Campy pedals didnt quite fit the Campy cranks. I had to have the threads chased by a local bike shop inorder for them to fit.


If anyone out there has NOS Campy pedals,cranks and hubs,please hit me up.
Campagnolo made crank arms (and pedals) with English 9/16"-20 UNF threads, as well as a French metric version, which is close, but different than the 9/16"-20 UNF version. I would be interested to hear if this is what you have (had). Also, if it is present, the stamped "F" does not stand for French, but rather "fine", as in a fine thread.
stidds
Jun 28 2009, 06:18 PM
Reilley1
Jun 28 2009, 07:08 PM
Campy English and Italian threads are the similar for headset, cranks, pedals and freewheels. The only difference is in the pitch of the thread. Campagnolo always adviced mixing them but since they are somewhat interchangeable (will go on a little tight) and it was a tried and trued practice in the heyday of Campagnolo. French threads on the other hand were an entirely different monster.
Some useless trivia. The color of the lettering on the Campy box indicated the thread with Red being BSC, Blue Italian and green lettering for French threads
Alan McCorkle
Jun 29 2009, 03:49 PM
I have NOS Titron titanium axles for Campy hubs if you need them. They are the perfect replacement for the stock quick release axles if you need to convert them for a BMX setup. Contact me if you are interested.
AGUILAR3
Jun 29 2009, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (Mark 'Gonzo' Summers @ Jun 28 2009, 05:10 AM)

Campagnolo made crank arms (and pedals) with English 9/16"-20 UNF threads, as well as a French metric version, which is close, but different than the 9/16"-20 UNF version. I would be interested to hear if this is what you have (had). Also, if it is present, the stamped "F" does not stand for French, but rather "fine", as in a fine thread.
Just replaced the Shimano pedals with blue matching Campy BMX pedals. Now to get rid of the Tipo /7X wheel set up and locate a set of blue BMX hubs

Crank arms are stamped with 9/16" 20 F
Reilley1
Jun 29 2009, 08:48 PM
The "F" is for "Filleti" which means "thread" in Italian.
mattes
Jul 30 2009, 02:53 PM
I have a pair on my road bike with quick release and want to convert to track hub with solid axle kits. are those axle kits still available?
JMCGT
Jul 30 2009, 09:10 PM
High flange c-records

high flange pista's

Low flange c-records

I also have some high flange Sunshines which are very similar to the Nuvo's
JMCGT
Jul 30 2009, 09:16 PM
here are my Nuvo's.. very similar
waza007
Aug 1 2009, 03:23 AM
anyone got a spare tipo 36H high flange front hub spare??? (like above pic)
MadCowboy
Aug 1 2009, 09:21 AM
QUOTE (JMCGT @ Jul 30 2009, 10:16 PM)

here are my Nuvo's.. very similar

Are those setup for BMX spacing? I have a set but they only fit on BMX bikes if the lock washer is removed from between the bearing cone and locknut.
Anybody know how to convert them over to BMX spacing with the lock washer? Shorter bearing cones? If so, know where to find any?
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