No worries, mate. I'd keep it if I were you.

You could let me borrow it for a while. I'd like to pet it.

Responding a PM'ed question, the hubs are Sturmey-Archer drum brake hubs, which were the state of the art in the mid-late '80s. Dizz Hicks, the factory CW rider (among others), was a big fan of them. Unlike caliper brakes, they work incredibly well (even if you're 200+ lbs), which is why I put them on this bike. I also have a set of HP-48s and FS-883 caliper brakes for this bike.

I think you mean Ceppie Maes, he used Stormey Archers, Dizz rode traditional coaster brakes. Awesome brakes, I should have gotten those back then, I can only imagine the stopping power.

update.

Is there a story to tell? You seem reluctant to tell it.

That's some candy-apple goodness, right there. What's the story behind the color, O.G.?

Either they're playing secret squirrel or there isnt actually a story and its just a respray job.

Nice though, but isnt worth sitting around waiting for the guy to be bothered to tell the story, if there is one.

Seems to be an inside story...?
http://www.os-bmx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33382

Very nice looking bike.

Now that is sweet candy

correct go to the OS site their you can find the story, ask the right people an they well tell.
Neil I also notice that you removed your post over thier, what Happen?
this frame actually belong to Gonzo, he still has some of RL's Parts, If you doubt me ask him I'm sure you will get set straight.
All NOS 1 OF a kind Period!!

O.G.

I was asking the same question I asked here - it just seems that you're on some kind of ego trip, and I dont want to feed that.

If you dont want to tell the story - fine. No problem at all.

Neil no ego trip here, like I said if people want to know the real story about the F/F ask Gonzo on Os
it was his. its not like you were assuming that someone went in and resprayed it, Redline did it by mistake.
your making it a bigger deal than it is. why dont you relax and build all the F/F that you have boughten
isnt what this thread is about. What happen to all the the Rl22's, NEil bought them up but he doesnt build them.
its not that I dont want to tell the story it doesnt seem or sound right if I told it plus I dont wanna say one thing and it was another. we all know how stories change by the time the 3rd person tells it

Ernie

So just because I dont post pics I'm not building them??? So how much of my collection have you seen then, to be such an expert on my stuff? C'mon, man - dont go making silly comments.

Anyways - its not that important - sounded like a really interesting story, but its got REALLY old now. Its worse than pulling teeth!!!

I was kinda interested in hearing the story myself, but I'm not so interested that I'm going to track down people and ask them about it. Oh well.

Here's a sort of custom one I'm working on. It was re-powdered before I got it with the stickers on it. Powdered a little too far back, but I like it so I'm not messing with it. I just added the blue squares that I cut out from a sheet of blue vinyl sticker paper and put them over the purple ones. The stripes a the end of the powder too. The yellow and lavender look cool, but it's been done so much because of the sticker set, I just wanted something a little different. I kind of just thought up the idea from the post Brian made asking for ideas on what to do with his chrome one. I thought up one like this, then thought, Hey, I could just do that myself. Anyway here's my start. I've got some blue/Yel B1B's on the way hopefully (just won them on ebay today), and a blue Tuf-Neck power disc also. I have a rotor too, not pictured yet. We'll here's some pix so far. I just started getting it together a few weeks ago, there's still a long way to go.







with my giant cat





Yeah, they're the race bars too and I'm sticking with them because I like larger handlebars. I may make them yellow, but we'll see where the project takes me once it comes a little further along.

Cool bike, mate. Its noce to see something different, once in a while.

RL had his Radberry 85 with the same powder on the rear chainstays.

Nice job there Don!!!! That RL 20 II you have is going to be smoken! Are you going to go with mags or rims?A cool style would be is crome rims blue spoke niples and yellow spokes with yellow or blue tires You don't see to many diffrent color combos like that any more!! PS blue hubs

Looking awesome, Don, unusual color scheme but that's exactly why I like your stuff!

I never noticed a cable guide like that on a 20II before. (the one up by the headtube).

Not that I'm any kind of expert, just curious about it, which model came with that?

Hey cat! Get away from there!

Thanks guys!!! I have some dark blue Tuff Wheels that go great with it and the dark blue anno stuff, but I'm thinking rims could be the way to go with this one. That idea sounds pretty awesome Chris. WHatever I do, I'll most likely go with some different colors on the parts of the wheels anyway. Chrome rims are awesome, but I thought of maybe even blue Z-rims if the blue is dark enough, gold nipples, chrome spokes, blue hubs? Who knows. Some blue Peregrine mags would be pretty sweet too, if the blue is dark enough. I haven't seen any in a long time in blue, so I don't know. Anyone have a set to post pix up so I could see?

I think those cable guides came on all of them, but some of them had like a slit in them, like as if they were made of 2 smaller rings? Something like that. Maybe they weren't on all of them, but I think they were.

DonV -

Great looking '20II! I love the yellow and blue accents - great color combination but you never see it on a Redline. Beautiful! Cute cat, too.

And you're right about the cable guides near the headtube - they all came with one, and over time there were two styles (just as you described).

Nice one Don!

Some of the very early 85s came without cable guides.

Hey Don,

That's a sweet RL20II, I like the blue accents in the decals and the anodized blue parts. It's kind of like RL's Hazard Yellow how he had the stem mach the purple 'squares'.

As far as I know the 85 & 86 RL20II's both had the solid cable guides by the head tube and the 87's had the split cable guide. The 88's however don't have that cable guide.

Pauly, I didn't know that some of the very early 85's didn't have the cable guide, they must have been the fully painted frames with out the chrome rear and forks.

Here's a picture I have of a set of dark blue Peregrines, they used to belong to a friend.

Thanks, and thanks for that picture! The color looks right on for what I'm looking for. I'm thinking a dark blue seat like that color too. Awesome!!!, those are a definite option now.

Bingo!



Have you talked to your boy frontguard lately? Is the MD gathering going to happen?

Damn, Pauly - thats a fine looking specimen.

I should have added to my post that this bike is not mine. A guy in Germany owns it. He knows of another all white 85 in Munich. I have an all white 85, (though mine does have the cable guide).
I believe mr coasterbrake has a friend with one as well. That's a total of 4 all white (of the rumored first 250 RL-20IIs produced) that have surfaced to my knowledge.

Pauly, I talked to Matt(frontguard) and he is trying to figure out a date that works best for his schedule. He's in the middle of doing renovations in his house among other things. We think sometime in mid to late August or possibly the beginning of September. We'll definitely let you know soon.

Cool... that will probably work out better for me at this point anyway.

You know - I rarely chime in here to add my 2 cents. I find most of the back and forth he said she said banter here to be quite a waste of time, and childish to boot, but I've gotta set this straight. I'm 100% with Neil on this one with regard to the "STORY" of that candy apple red 22. It almost does seem like you want your ego fed. If you DON'T want to tell the "STORY", why OH WHY even bring it up? If you're going to mention it, tell the story - caugh it up! Don't be so elusive and try to spark some b.s. interest, and then try to direct us to some other website to go on a scavenger hunt! How hard is it for you to contribute the story by copying it and pasting it if you know exactly where it is? Is that not why we are all here? To share these bikes, and their history? You are talking to the top, absolute TOP redline collectors. Our collections would put yours to shame! I also don't think it's appropriate or in any way warranted for you to antagonize Neil (Subwax) about his purchases and builds. What damn business is it of yours anyway what he does with his collection or what anyone does with their collection! We are not the ones on here posting teaser pictures and saying go find the story! I'll watch National Treasure if I want mysteries solved! All that the members asked is for you to share the story, and your responses are elusive and quite frankly bullsh*t! You preach in the end of your speech about how stories change by the time the 3rd person tells it -If that's the case why not tell the story? You want us to go and dig it out, and tell it for you. Should we ride that bike for you too? Sh*t or get off the pot as the saying goes! Setting quite the reputation for yourself so early on - what a shame!

No worries here enjoy your day, this is why I never post on this site!!

All we wanted was to hear the story you were heralding, but then you went all weid, and now its our fault???

Come on, man - thats not right. If you didnt want to tell the story, why mention it?

Anyways - its been completely lost now. I am sure it was a good story as well. Still, no worries, as you say.

Hey Neil, do you still have that Pro Styler that you bought from me? If so, can you please post a pic.
Thanks.

Yeah, still got that Prostyler - I'll see if I have got a pic of it.

I'm in the market for an RL20II if anyone has one up for sale, please hit me up. Thanks guys. This bike is becoming one of my favs and I just HAVE TO HAVE ONE!!! Sweet looking rides peeps. Keep the pics comin!

Hi guys,
this's my own original ( restored )
before

after


Wait for new progress with, decal, etc..

Sweet bike there, mate.

You going to use skinwall tires on it?

I have allready some parts to lace the new wheels with:

PEREGRINE SUPER PRO 48s CHROME HUBS ( I have )
PEREGRINE TIRES 48s skinwall ( I have )
CHROME SPOKES ( I have )
PEREGRINE 48s SILVER ( I have, but i'm looking for : )
PEREGRINE OR ARAYA 48 CHROME

I have also the right handlebar ( race version )

Asap i'll post the new improvment.

Keep an eye open for the freestyle bars - you can put race bars on a beauty like that.

Chrome super pros will make that look blinging.

I agree, but not year correct for an 86... if you're concerned about such details.

hey manlio, whats the old school scene like in italy?

In the 86 catalog wasn't the ukai 48 in chrome with the sealed peregrine chrome hub an option...If I recall correctyl ukai made the rims and peregrine just decaled them as peregrine super pro 48's? Someone clue me in if I've got this wrong.

Mike

That may be true about the chrome option, not sure, but super pros are the double walled HP rims. I'm almost positive that those were not available until after 86. The first gen peregrine 48s were single walled UKAI rims.

That red one is looking very cool!!! That DX seat post goes with it really nice, and I like the CW bars. I could see wanting to put Redline bars on it, but I used to ride those CW bars all the time and have a fondness for them. Can't wait for the updates on that one, looking good so far!!!

I also got my yellow and blue Oakley B1B grips and the blue Tuf-Neck power disc for mine. I can't wait to get this one done but it still might be a while though. I'm still deciding what I want for wheels on it.

I have the Freestylin 2 book and there is a picture of Todd Anderson on his Cali Red 86 RL20 with Super Pros. He was with General in 87. I also remember seeing other riders bikes with the Super Pros in 86 magazines. Maybe the Super Pros(chrome) came out in mid to late 86. The 86 Redline catalog has chrome plated Peregrines listed as an option although that may not mean they actually were available.

I have a set of NOS chrome Peregrine rims that aren't HP's(double walled). Does anyone know what year these came out? The spoke holes are smooth and not raised like other non-HP's I've seen.

Does anyone know what hubs should go on these? I'd like to put chrome hubs on, maybe chrome Suzue(without the Peregrine stickers).

Second wheels option, I've laced with white spokes because for my opinion
is more 80's. The next wheel set I'll laced with chrome spokes and rims.






Let me know your opinion.
Thanks

I'd go for some maximum bling on a such a beauty, chrome rims all the way Manlio!

About the date, correct me if I'm wrong but this pic looks very 86ish... any expert on RL's hairdo to confirm the time it was shoot ?

Are you sure they are chrome double walled HP-48s and not just chrome single walled Peregrine 48s? Chrome double walled HP-48s are what I consider to be "Super Pros".
Somebody set me straight here. When were HP-48s introduced to the market?