I sent the cranks (and other things) with another gentleman after Rockford so he could take professional photos. I just got them back, and will post pics in day or two.

I just need to machine the Aerospeed Disc and 5-point spider, then send them out for various finishes. Concurrently, I'll be working on packaging, and I'd like to run a pre-order since I have multiple people telling me they are ready to buy 2-3 sets each and I want to make a strong effort to meet everyone's needs on this initial order. An e-mail Newsletter will be sent from the web site very soon.

Thanks to yours, and everyone at Rockford's positive comments after seeing these first samples. I very much appreciate it.

Eye candy

Aerospeed's, front and back:





Box cranks, front:



Box cranks, back:



Pedals & cages (I have lavender too, but they didn't make the photo):

Those cranks look fantastic John. Good to see they will be made by a quality manufacturer!

They sure do look fantastic. Thanks for posting the pics. I can't wait. This is truly a beautiful thing you are doing.

Just for feedback purposes, I believe more demand will be for Areospeeds, but I don't want to ignore the hard work you obviously put into both.


This is a great day for BMX.

Those pedals are so sweet. I may have to buy one in every color!

Both cranks and pedals are beautiful.

NICE John...VERY Nice...looking forward to placing a nice sized order soon.

hey john vans here, i love the cranks, but will you sell them without the ti-spindle, 600 dollars seems alittle steep in todays ecomony, and that aint no joke, i would prefer the chomoly spindle, hope you make that as an option, very good looking cranks.

hey john right after i posted the message just a few minutes ago, i went to look at my se 09 retro cranks and they look almost very similar to the hutch cranks, i am not kidding you, except for the hutch logo, its hard to tell the difference, one of my other friends who has profile said the same thing, interesting. i still might pick up the hutch cranks when they come out, but i really do like the 09 retro se cranks, to be honest with you, i prefer them over my profiles.

Hello Mr. Obvious, long time listener, first time caller.

Sack you are great cheap entertainment my friend.

I keep telling myself that I am gonna become a better person, but it just doesn't work out the way I want it to.

awesome product! I will have to hold up a few gas stations to afford them.. lol! j/k. I look forward to the retro/newschool frame release and plan to build one up to terrorize the neighborhood on.

Oooooooooh! I can't wait for a freestyle set!

John,

Any update on when these will be available? I seem to recall that you may do a pre-order on these?

Thanks,

Walter

Yes, I'm going to be doing a pre-order based on the strong interest. Just trying to get my ducks in a row and finalize some details. Will be very soon.

John,

Is the pre-order primarily for forecasting your initial run or will they be produced in limited amounts?

The pre-order is entirely for trying to fulfill the initial order response and make as many people happy right away as possible.

99% of the time I try to make a product that will continue to sell and be a regularly-available item (not limited edition), but sometimes the development chain breaks down and things inherently become limited edition. The original Aerospeed's are a good example. Hutch ran into manufacturing problems, limited numbers were made, and thus they became a rare and collectible item (none of which was intentional).

John, If I wanted a set of arms would you sell just the arms seperatly?

jdb is it true that johnny chopper is the one who will be making the hutch cranks???

This whole HUTCH endeavor seems dirty to me and I'm glad I have no plans to buy any of this stuff. These aren't really HUTCH parts, just another modern part that will have a five letter word engraved on them, so I don't see anything special happening here. At least when Scott reproduced similar items he didn't try convincing everyone that they were buying TRUE (REAL) Hutch stuff. He put his own stamp on them. The new owner of the word "HUTCH" should produce his own stuff (In the UNITED STATES, like the REAL Hutch stuff, since you're claiming it's real Hutch stuff) and name it HITCH or HATCH or something along those lines since they really aren't Hutch products. Do your own thing, not try to capitalize on someone else's accomplishments just because you can afford to buy a word.

Some people are in this hobby for the love of the bikes. Other people are in this hobby for the love of the money these bikes bring. Somewhere in this post I saw the new owner of the word "HUTCH" say he was going to price these cranks to be in line with the original (real) Hutch cranks BITD, PLUS the correct ratio of inflation added in. Why don't you just determine the cost to produce the cranks and add in a modest profit for yourself and let THAT be the cost you charge VBMXers?

Maybe I already answered my own question above.

I hope you guys keep in mind you aren't buying actual Hutch products, just parts that someone will carve the word "HUTCH" into. You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it will still be a pig. This is just my thinkings out loud. Like I said before, I don't really have a dog in this fight because I have no plans on buying the new HATCH products.

BTW, have you guys seen the new Bullseye products? BAD-AZZ, and still the original folks running that show (if I'm not mistaken).

I'm not going to get a phone call from a lawyer because I typed the word "HUTCH", am I?

The death squad is coming.

Funny stuff!

what a tool

Hey Jeff, I'm behind you 100% on what you just said! Plus yeah, the new Bullseye stuff is off the chains bro and the pedals don't have a weight limit on them like the "Hatch" pedals do. LOL!

Hey n2o what is your problem man, i am very excited that john is bringing back hutch. Have you actually seen the new hutch pedals yet, they are flawless compared to the old ones, much stronger and a cleaner look esp. on the chrome. Whats wrong with the name hutch being on johns bmx parts, he bought the rights to the company, so in my book he deserves to do what he wants to do, i think the new hutch stuff will dominate the comp. the technol. is so much better now than it was back in the 80s. I think the price is right on the hutch pedals, the crupi and bullseye go for 189 also, so why cant hutch. i have to be honest that the hutch cranks coming out seem quite high, but for the pads, stem, and pedals, i think it is a fair price, esp. for the quality of johns stuff. Just remember no one has to buy his stuff, its your choice, but dont come on the board talking about pigs and lipstick, you are just making an azz out of yourself, give the guy a chance man.

So you can post how you feel about the Hutch stuff and he can't because it's negative? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, good or bad. You feel one way about the Hutch stuff and Jeff is feels another way. It is what it is!

Stop eating the paint chips.

it just seems that this guy jeff isnt giving john a chance with the new stuff, you would think that everyone would be happy about hutch making a comeback, and a few are, and a few that are very upset over the whole deal.

Well not everyone is crazy about Hutch.



One reason is because of how JDB handled certain things with Scott Hice, owner of Kappa once he acquired the rights to Hutch. I don't think you were around when all this took place. Here are acouple links for you to check out:

Click me!

Click me too!

Check out the last post in this thread!

Yes i read your clickme, i find it very interesting, but it sounds like no one is really to blame, not sure though, but you have to admit the new hutch pedals look great, i was really impressed. I honestly do not know to much about kappa, i always had interest in the se dept. it sounds like kappa went under before john took over the hutch name. The reason i am so excited about hutch is because back in the day when i was like in 6th grade, back in maybe 1983 i always wanted a hutch, esp. a prostar, but only rich kids could afford them, my only bikes were a huffy with yellow mags, and then all the way to a 85 gt world tour i got for christmas and i forgot a 84 se quadangle which got stolen, but i always wanted that prostar, but the bike was around 700 plus tax, a hell of alot of money for that time. So i guess my point is, i can now afford to drop 2000 grand or more on a complete hutch if he ever makes one complete, back then it was just a dream, now its reality to own one with better quality parts than before, but your right, to each is own.

Also i am sorry about saying i got a melms 24inch cruiser, i was just kidding about that, next time i wont joke like that, and again i have no clue who this donald guy is, my name is Jason, i have talked to nemo and a few people on here from a year ago, but i wish i could own a melms one day, who knows?

Then you will never understand how I and certain others feel about this situation.



The quote above was made by JDB in reference to Scott Hice. What a friggin joke!!!!! JDB is doing just that, using the designs of others for his benifit! This right here is what chapped my azz, and is why I feel the way I do about JDB and his Hutch stuff!

Look him up, user name is {nsra65}, you guys will probably have lots to talk about

hey sack i said i was sorry, is this not good enough for you.

I've seen the "Hutch" pedals up close. They are nice, no argument there. I've also met JDB. What he does with his word IS his business. Again, no arguments there. I just don't buy into the whole "new Hutch products" idea. They aren't Hutch parts, they're just new parts with HUTCH stamped on it. Would these upcoming (someday) bikes be as expensive if they didn't have HUTCH on them? I bet not. This whole deal just seems to me that he's using the Hutch name to his advantage, money-wise. You guys buy it all up. I bet your bikes will be cool. I'll just pass on this product because I still have morals, still do things just because they are the right things to do, and still go with my gut feeling and I just don't feel good about the new Hutch organization and their business practices.

I'll have to be honest here, I probably feel the way I do in part because I have met JDB and I didn't walk away with a warm fuzzy feeling. First impressions last a long time.

You can call me a tool or whatever you like. I've been here since before Kappa started, before JDB was a member and before there were 20,000 members. I do very little name-calling because I feel that just shows how shallow people can be. I'm oldschool.

I just had a thought. If I could buy the Robinson name.............

BTW, you guys want to see my current project? 100% PURE Kappa! K24Z with fresh white powder. Looks just like a CW, huh? (Knight bars)



(I can't believe JDB hasn't "farted in my general direction" yet. I knew it was a movie quote but it still came across as immature and unprofessional IMHO)

You too Jeff? I was talking to him once about what it took to acquire the rights and name as he did. He was pretty short with me on that issue. It seemed like since he had done all the hard work to do so, he wasn't willing to share the info to make it easier for someone else to possibly do the same thing. More or less like, "Hey figure it out yourself"!

thats cool man, i am curious abouth one thing n2o, if you dont mind me asking? why did you walk away with a unwarming feeling?

PM sent CHECKERED

it aint no secret that profile made gt's cranks....
would just like know the manufacturer of the new hutch cranks...

You guys crack me up! Why do you get all hung up on morals and walking away without warm and fuzzy feelings when we are talking about BMX products. Products are produced by companies to sell and make money. Why else would you be doing it? I wish I was in the game with a well known name like Hutch. What a great way to make a living!

So next time you go to buy a new car, just make sure you go into the showroom and ask the salesman if the original owner of the car company still owns it. Maybe ask to talk to him and make sure you come away from your conversation with a warm and fuzzy felling! Good luck with that if your buying a Ford.....

Keep the opinions coming guys! It's good entertainment.

I certainly didn't have a warm and fuzzy felling in 1984 when my new Hutch Pro Racer cracked on the underside of the down tube near the head tube. I did get a replacement frame, but that was probably a real reason to be upset at the owner of Hutch. Hopefully we will get some better build quality into the products these days with John running the company.

Crupi isn't owned by the same owners, does that mean my new Crupi pedals are actually Swingrover pedals? I could come up with more examples but I don't see the need...

I walked out of a chevy dealership because I didn't like the way they were trying to do business and went across the street and bought a new dodge. Hopefully that's entertaining too. You have a choice, buy what you want.

message to john from jason, hey i ordered the hutch pedals on sat. night, how long does it take to get here, thanks. i tried calling you this morning, but still no call back. i am located in the bay area, please get back to me, thanks.

JDM, I was wondering if the New Hutch Cranks will have a rider weight limit on them? and will the new Hutch frames have weight limits? Just wondering since I'm 215#'s it might be an issue.

I myself am 190lbs, it only shows the weight limit on the box of the pedals not the website, so who really knows? maybe they have to put a weight limit on these new products so they dont get sued if something happens, i guess se and other companys should do the same, not sure though? and john still waiting on the return time to get my pedals here to the san francisco area, thanks.

John, I have heard there is a weight limit on the pedals (listed on the box) yet it doesn't state that anywhere here or on the Hutch site. I weigh roughly 265, does that mean that I will bend or break the pedal shaft/bodies or is the suggestion/warning merely for warranty purposes?

i really dont think you will break them, i use to see 220lbs guys back in the 80s riding on the original hutch bear traps, and they never broke them, and these newer pedals are to suppose to be much stronger, the only way i see someone breaking the pedals is by doing something really stupid, and why of all pedals would you want to do that on a 200 dollar pedal?

I think the weight limit is really just their to protect Hutch from possible lawsuits.

I'm really digging those cranks! I am more interested in a flatland Hutch frame with modern geometry though.