Alex Duddy
Dec 28 2008, 10:40 AM
QUOTE (bob 3000 @ Dec 27 2008, 07:14 PM)

I'd buy a 21.5"tt candy blue true temper 2009 hutch judge.
True Temper + 1 billion. I hope that is what you're using.
Lonewolf
Dec 28 2008, 12:29 PM
Alex you need another avatar. I edited what I really wanted to say to you.
Lonewolf
Dec 28 2008, 12:41 PM
QUOTE (3rd gear @ Dec 22 2008, 10:07 AM)

John why don't you stop Prospectator from selling these? You put a lockdown on people selling repop stickers. He is also selling CW fakes. Just seems odd you would go after one and not another.
Would someone like to fill me in on why these morons all have pentgram avatars? Are there truly that many satan worshipers, and is there a reason they all like Hutch? Why are they allowed to have these types of avatars? This pisses me off. Is anyone else pissed by this?
Walter
Dec 28 2008, 12:51 PM
ive noticed it but wont allow it to bother me.
its america, so freedom is key.
ive got my beliefs and thats enough for me. im not worried about others.
i wish everyone the best, even them
QUOTE (Lonewolf @ Dec 28 2008, 06:41 PM)

Would someone like to fill me in on why these morons all have pentgram avatars? Are there truly that many satan worshipers, and is there a reason they all like Hutch? Why are they allowed to have these types of avatars? This pisses me off. Is anyone else pissed by this?
Reilley1
Dec 28 2008, 01:18 PM
QUOTE
This pisses me off. Is anyone else pissed by this?
Let's face it, a whole lot of stuff pisses you off including tin foil hats
DAN
Dec 28 2008, 01:21 PM
QUOTE (Lonewolf @ Dec 28 2008, 06:41 PM)

Would someone like to fill me in on why these morons all have pentgram avatars? Are there truly that many satan worshipers, and is there a reason they all like Hutch? Why are they allowed to have these types of avatars? This pisses me off. Is anyone else pissed by this?
Are you serious??? This is America right? I have no idea why these guys rock the pentagrams but it's their business and certainly not something that should be banned. Might want to put a little time in to understanding the different meanings of the symbol as well. Goes a little further than just "devil worshipping". If you get really scared just point your bible at the screen. That should ward off any attempts to steal your soul.
PEP
Dec 28 2008, 01:32 PM
This hobby has stole my soul........
j/k.
Reilley1
Dec 28 2008, 01:32 PM
However, I must say that you might have something on the thing with the Beelezebub thing and Hutch connection....
Hutch Freak
Dec 28 2008, 03:16 PM
Wow, this topic has gotten way off track.

This has become a personal thing between members here....VERY LAME INDEED!
This thread is about HUTCH and only HUTCH (Old, new, whatever). 23 pages and no pictures, and half of them are about SH1T.
If you don't like John, HUTCH, Pentagrams, Satan Lovers, or whatever else bothers you....I believe there are other threads here at vintage for you to read and post in. If that doesn't work, there are other websites.
John De Bruin
Dec 28 2008, 04:02 PM
QUOTE (pquinnbmx @ Dec 27 2008, 11:32 PM)

I thought I heard at one time that our Georgia friends bought the Hutch name or something like that- bought it from Louisville Cycles or something.
I have e-mail correspondence with our Georgia friend from June 2005 and again in November 2005 talking specifically about his reasons why he didn't acquire those rights, in addition to revealing my intentions of wanting to acquire those rights. To respect his privacy, I won't copy/paste our conversation. But it is relevant to state 2 things: 1. I had been working on acquiring the rights for a long time and 2. I was certainly not the first person to consider this, approach Mr. Bellis with this, or have the opportunity to do this. The ownership rights were there, were available, and were negotiated to some extent by others before me.
I am curious to know if the discontent would have been equal if someone other than myself was the person in this position. I didn't do this for an ego trip or bragging rights. I want to actually make something.
I've outlined this before:
I knew that Mr. Bellis had been approached previously. I knew that he was a successful businessman and that his reasons to sell might not necessarily be for the money. I knew that I had to define a reason why I should be considered over others before me. My entire professional career and expertise has been about new product development. Mr. Bellis
wanted to see this brand go to someone who understood what it takes to bring product to market, and he legitimately wanted to see something done with the brand. In addition to having that capability, you all can look at my photos that I posted and there's no question that the passion for Hutch has been there since the pre-serial-number days. If I was outside looking in, I would say "wow, that's the guy that probably should be doing it."
For those that love Hutch, you can thank Mr. Bellis for preserving the ownership for so long and in the hopes that something may happen again with it. That's what he intended.
Alex Duddy
Dec 28 2008, 04:57 PM
QUOTE (TONE @ Dec 28 2008, 06:51 PM)

ive noticed it but wont allow it to bother me.
its america, so freedom is key.
ive got my beliefs and thats enough for me. im not worried about others.
i wish everyone the best, even them
Yep that pretty well sums it up. If you're offended some kind of way there may be other issues under foot. I will pick out a nice Teddy Bear avatar next time.
Good Luck with the new Hutch products John.
BTW What type of materials ARE you using?
chase2wheels
Dec 28 2008, 05:04 PM
please lock this thread and start anew...it just seems silly now
sonikk71
Dec 28 2008, 05:14 PM
John, It has come up in the Hutch questions thread that Mr. Hutchins was not aware of your venture. I am not one of the ones who are opposed to your new business but I have a question.
Would you be opposed to Mr Hutchins acting as a consultant on your new venture? Seems like that would be alot better for all parties involved. It would lend an air of legitimacy to the new products for those who seem to be angry with you and for Mr Hutchins he would make a little money on the side. He may look at Hutch as a minor blip but who knows he might look back fondly and wish to "take another run" in a position of significantly less responsibilty.
Just a thought.
ANT DOG 3:16
Dec 28 2008, 05:22 PM
I would be intrested in purchasing a trrickstar if you make them, but the lack of pictures makes people shy away. I do stand behind waht you are doing but would like to see some pics or at least schematics of a frame.
Lonewolf
Dec 28 2008, 05:37 PM
Out of respect for John's thread, it ends here.
-go Hutch.
John, I just payed over $250.00 for some ti spindled Crupi pro rounds (which I am waiting for). I imagine I might have bought some of your hutch pedals instead.
I realize the tremendous undertaking. We must all have patience and IMO we need to loose the negative commentary surrounding any lack of product. John, keep your chin up and your eye on the ball.
Best of luck.
Lonewolf
Dec 28 2008, 05:48 PM
QUOTE (chase2wheels @ Dec 28 2008, 05:04 PM)

please lock this thread and start anew...it just seems silly now
Yeah, I'm sure they are gonna lock this big thread, just because you said to. Silly isn't really what I would describe it as.
I think this is is a valuable thread to both John and anyone who carrys with them a hope of a reconstituted Hutch.
Sorry for the jack.
CythoN
Dec 28 2008, 05:51 PM
Is there any time frame for product releases at all? Can we expect something within the next 6 months?
John De Bruin
Dec 28 2008, 06:45 PM
QUOTE (Alex Duddy @ Dec 28 2008, 10:57 PM)

BTW What type of materials ARE you using?
4130 and 4140 is the same today as it was then. Same goes for AZ31B, 6al4v, 2024, 6061-T6, and 7075-T6. The one thing that might be better today is the grade of die-cast aluminum, and this is noticable on my pedal bodies because the chrome appears to be better quality and having a brighter shine when compared to NOS vintage originals.
DAN
Dec 28 2008, 06:50 PM
Hey John, I think you need to put some bait on your hook. At the moment it seems you're trying to talk the fish in to your boat.
John De Bruin
Dec 28 2008, 06:57 PM
QUOTE (sonikk71 @ Dec 28 2008, 11:14 PM)

John, It has come up in the Hutch questions thread that Mr. Hutchins was not aware of your venture.
Would you be opposed to Mr Hutchins acting as a consultant on your new venture?
Business is business. If someone came to me and said they wanted to be a part of what was going on right now, I would give them the courtesy to listen to their ideas. But this idea is really far out there, and I would caution such speculation. From my limited understanding, Richard stayed on with Hutch/Hutchins after Bill Bellis assumed control. It's probably safe to speculate that this was not a time that Richard would reflect upon with fond memories compared to the previous years.
John De Bruin
Dec 28 2008, 07:00 PM
QUOTE (ANT DOG 3:16 @ Dec 28 2008, 11:22 PM)

I would be intrested in purchasing a trrickstar if you make them, but the lack of pictures makes people shy away. I do stand behind waht you are doing but would like to see some pics or at least schematics of a frame.
I am not making frames yet, whether vintage-style or new. I need to get a few of these other parts wrapped up before I can move on to the next.
John De Bruin
Dec 28 2008, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (Lonewolf @ Dec 28 2008, 11:37 PM)

I realize the tremendous undertaking. We must all have patience...
It takes an enormous amount of time and money just to bring the simplest of products to market. I really can't emphasise that enough. All I can say is that I made a few conscious decisions at the beginning to improve on what I saw other's as doing incorrectly: no pre-orders, no deposits taken, no promises when, no buddy favors, no keeping #1 of any numbered parts for myself, and no photos of anything until it passes my inspection and I have the completed item ready to be made available.
I apologize that the process does take so long, and nobody wants to see these items available more than I do. But I won't release anything, not even a picture, until it's ready.
njracer
Dec 28 2008, 07:15 PM
Jeremy K.
Dec 28 2008, 07:17 PM
Hey John,
Rock on bro! Looking forward to things coming to fruition for you.
jk
401flightcranks
Dec 28 2008, 07:26 PM
John De Bruin
Dec 28 2008, 07:43 PM
QUOTE (401flightcranks @ Dec 29 2008, 01:26 AM)

More NOS Hutch pads...

Wow. There's just no reason for that. Even these crappy repro's bring strong dollar with an honest listing.
njracer
Dec 28 2008, 07:48 PM
401 is quite possible THE foremost authority on Hutch, so don't even try to discredit the fact that he has a new joined on date. He knows the skinny. Two sets of pads on the bay... I am out of the Hutch game, so it doesn't affect me (as previously stated), but it gets shadier by the minute...
njracer
Dec 28 2008, 07:53 PM
QUOTE (John De Bruin @ Dec 29 2008, 01:43 AM)

Wow. There's just no reason for that. Even these crappy repro's bring strong dollar with an honest listing.
How is that an honest listing?
bmx Hutch pad set silver and black super rare nos mint.
Awsome item brought from ritchie haney
Check photos.
Postage too europe and the states is about 12 bucks
Good luck and a very very merry christmas
That says they are NOS. Meaning New Old Stock from HUTCH!!! You are nothing short of unbelievable JDB.
Outrunm
Dec 28 2008, 08:04 PM
QUOTE (njracer @ Dec 29 2008, 01:53 AM)

How is that an honest listing?
bmx Hutch pad set silver and black super rare nos mint.
Awsome item brought from ritchie haney
Check photos.
Postage too europe and the states is about 12 bucks
Good luck and a very very merry christmas
That says they are NOS. Meaning New Old Stock from HUTCH!!! You are nothing short of unbelievable JDB.
He isn't saying it is an honest listing. He is saying that there is no reason to lie, as an honest listing would still get top dollar.
401flightcranks
Dec 28 2008, 08:07 PM
QUOTE (njracer @ Dec 28 2008, 09:48 PM)

401 is quite possible THE foremost authority on Hutch, so don't even try to discredit the fact that he has a new joined on date. He knows the skinny. Two sets of pads on the bay... I am out of the Hutch game, so it doesn't affect me (as previously stated), but it gets shadier by the minute...
Chris,
Thanks for the kind words, but I am far from THE foremost authority on Hutch. More like the tenth authority. I don't care much for repro Hutch parts, and I hope that John's parts can be distinguished from original Hutch parts. John is also a collector of a few rare items himself, so I trust he will try and accomodate everyones requests. Only time will tell. I read John's comment about the pads on eBay (that I posted), and I believe that he was referring to other repro pad sets sold in the past that were actually described honestly as bringing strong $$$. At least thats how I read it...
John De Bruin
Dec 28 2008, 10:31 PM
QUOTE (njracer @ Dec 29 2008, 01:53 AM)

That says they are NOS. Meaning New Old Stock from HUTCH!!! You are nothing short of unbelievable JDB.
Why thank you. I appreciate it.
They are not NOS, and neither are the thick-caged pedals he has listed. The pads may have come from Richie Haney as "new", but not new-old-stock. In fact, Richie also took quite a few sets of repro JMC pads in-trade for Darrell Young's spare jersey back in, oh, 2000 or 2001 I believe. The maker was Marc Tardif, and if you want to get super specific, all pad sets currently sold by Jim Melton himself are new repros. The artwork and initial batch run was done by Marc, and Marc later provided the artwork to Jim. I later acquired Marc's Darrell Young, Darrell's spare Factory Team jersey that came from Richie, extra 1st-run pad sets, and original artwork layouts used to make them.
The other set of used pads that you asked about might be original. Hard to tell in that photo, but they look vintage-original to me.
3rd gear
Dec 29 2008, 08:33 AM
John I was talking about the Newly made AERO Hutch and CW leathers... obviously new but sold as OG.
and Lonewolf and others don't get your panties in a bunch, I did it to see who it would affend. Guess I found ya, thump on Brothers.
Hutch Freak
Dec 29 2008, 09:06 AM
QUOTE (3rd gear @ Dec 29 2008, 02:33 PM)

John I was talking about the Newly made AERO Hutch and CW leathers... obviously new but sold as OG.
and Lonewolf and others don't get your panties in a bunch, I did it to see who it would affend. Guess I found ya, thump on Brothers.
Bret,
I guess some of these guys rode bikes in th 80's, but failed to listen to some of the music....Slayer, Venom, The crew and so on. Many bands back in the day used the pentagram for marketing. Free country, so enjoy.
Slayer Rules,
Karl (KZR800)

NOW BACK TO THE HUTCH THREAD...................................................
Reilley1
Dec 29 2008, 09:44 AM
Admit it Brett, you are dyslexic and worship Santa....
John De Bruin
Dec 29 2008, 09:48 AM
QUOTE (3rd gear @ Dec 29 2008, 02:33 PM)

John I was talking about the Newly made AERO Hutch and CW leathers... obviously new but sold as OG.
Sorry about that Bret. My bad.
I have an e-mail dating back to December 24th, 2006 (exactly 2 years ago) from Tom Gass with some photos showing a bunch of his Hutch clothing, including a photo of these exact pants. Tom certainly had some rare and authentic stuff, and his story to me was that Richard basically sent him the stuff upon his asking while Tom was "representing" Hutch by freestyling in Arizona. Tom has recently fallen under criticism for admitting to making copies of the engraved bridge of the prototype brakes.
My point is, these pants are at least 2 years old. I agree that it would be nice to track them back to exactly when they were made.
Tom, if you're reading this, please add a comment if you positively know how and when you acquired your set of Aero Hutch pants. If you got them more recently, just let us know. It would be helpful to know the truth as to the origin of these.
Alex Duddy
Dec 30 2008, 03:09 AM
Thank JDB. In a roundabout way you've answered my question on frame tubing.
bmxr68
Dec 30 2008, 01:11 PM
I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and think before typing. John was fortunate enought to be able to do what probably most of us only dream of being able to do. John would not be doing it unless it was of high quality. John was and is a BMX addict from way back, I can attest to that as we both knew and hung around some of the same people. All of John's stuff will be top notch and worth the wait, that si why he wll not show any pics until it is 100% correct and ready to go. Just be glad someone decent go this and not heath who would have destroyed it
John I am up and walking now that my knee replacement is healing,we still have to go to lunch and catch up sometime.
sack
Dec 30 2008, 02:20 PM
I learned from my years as a union representative that you can't make anyone happy at any time.
I don't understand why it's ok for SE, Haro, Redline, Mongoose, and others to re-issue stuff and it's not ok to do this.
bmxr68
Dec 31 2008, 08:55 AM
I agree, John is clearly marking his stuff so it can not be confused with the OS stuff. Even though I have not seen anything yet, from what I have heard the products will be better than the other compaines re-issue stuff. I did not see the Mongoose re issues but I hear d they were not that great
traveller79
Dec 31 2008, 04:30 PM
John,
Good for you brudda. Do you have a catalogue? Selling seperate parts like stem/goosenecks, etc.
or complete 20" or 24" bikes/frames. my email davieosborn@msn.com. Please keep me informed.
Thanx, Trav.
QUOTE (John De Bruin @ Apr 29 2008, 05:09 PM)

I am pleased to announce that I have recently acquired full ownership and trademark rights to the company Hutch Hi-Performance BMX, and am able to share preliminary plans for the future.
A brief history about me…
Always been a “Hutch guy”. Bought my pre-serial # in August of 1983, raced/rode until 1987. I enjoy building show-quality bikes today, and am a strong advocate of actually riding them.
In my dad’s younger days, he was a paid diver searching for sunken Spanish ships. Later on and when I was around 10, he wanted to go to the deeper wrecks, and I watched him use engine lathes and other big equipment to build his own submarine. From that point I knew I wanted to make stuff too. My professional career has always been new product development, and because I started at the beginning of the PC age, my strength has been advanced CAD/CAM programming combined with the use of CNC milling machines. Working directly for one of the largest CAD/CAM software companies, I traveled the world training and helping many high-profile companies with advanced machining concepts.
“Alright, so what are your plans?”…
My plans are to introduce new product “re-issues” that are remarkably similar to originals, but having at least 1 feature different than the originals. That 1 feature will fit the criteria that, in order to remove or modify it for the purpose of deceiving to be original, would take more effort than realistically worth while based on the likelihood of it being recognized as being altered, or would simply destroy the integrity of the item altogether.
Using today’s technology, I am confident that quality will either meet or exceed the high-quality standards of the originals. I will NOT do anything to jeopardize or degrade the reputation of Hutch as being the finest-quality bicycle components manufacturer ever.
“And what will these re-issues do to the value of my original stuff?”…
Your natural first reaction may be that it will decrease the values of the originals. I believe this will be completely false and backwards. In fact, values of high-quality or NOS originals are likely to INCREASE, based on increased demand through an enlarging population of collectors entering the sport…which is directly based on the availability of lower-cost re-issues. As a certain percentage of those new collectors mature, they will eventually want to collect vintage originals, and the larger base of collectors will support increased values. This equation is common to the fields of vintage guitar collecting and vintage muscle car collecting, just to name a couple examples.
“What did it take to resurrect the Hutch name and company?”…
In short, an immense amount of research…and money. Hutch Hi-Performance BMX was fragmented after its demise. Besides ownership and trademark rights, it was required that I solve beyond a reasonable doubt any potential issues relating to the various other legal issues that happened along the way. I formed my company in 2005, so it has taken more than 2 years to complete this process. The cost to purchase the rights was significant as well.
Making small consumables such as decals or pads requires little investment compared to the durable components. Imagine for example any 6 parts that Hutch made, then imagine the costs associated with making minimum batch requirements large enough to bring costs down enough so that the product can be priced accordingly. That quickly escalates into huge numbers. Anyone who doubts my willingness to defend these rights should strongly consider what I have invested to get to this point.
“What is your company?”…
My company is Trick Bike Company, LLC. Hutch Hi-Performance BMX and the Hutch logos are registered trademarks of Trick Bike Company, LLC. All rights reserved.
“Any plans for new-school products?”…
I envision new-school products that have a slight flair of the brand-specific styling to vintage originals. New-school offerings are a “phase 2” subject and will not happen right away. However, I strongly encourage and welcome any design recommendations, and will make a fair and equitable business arrangement with anyone that brings a viable or interesting product idea forward. The real potential for exponential profit lies within the larger retail market of the new-school population.
“What are the first products you will be offering?”…
This is an exciting time for BMX. We have the Olympic events for the first time, and we are also smack-dab in the middle of the 25th anniversary of the greatest era ever for vintage BMX. The Hutch product line is as in-depth as it gets. Therefore, the potential for strong interest is good. I will be announcing products and availability at the point of manufacturing where I receive the first prototypes in-hand and can inspect quality. Quality must meet my expectations to be considered as an available product. Pre-orders will only be offered after quality has been assured with the prototypes. I do have multiple projects working simultaneously now, and I may even have something at Rockford.
“Anything else besides Hutch coming?”…
Yes. I have acquired rights to CW, and I am working on acquiring rights to a few other select brands. I am also attempting to work with some existing and still-in-business companies for product re-issues. I hope this broad-base of new product offerings will allow our sport to grow, and also won't compromise the value and heritage of original vintage items for those who wish to collect only those items. It is a fine balance, and one I have given considerable thought to.
Thank you,
John
RIDE A BIKE
Dec 31 2008, 07:05 PM
bob 3000
Jan 2 2009, 04:22 PM
wow, fractal thread.
still non the wiser. post about hutch got lost a few pages back. don't know why i bother.
Iwantotbuyahutch
Jan 10 2009, 02:20 AM
Any updates John? Or are you still on holidays?
JMCGT
Jan 10 2009, 04:18 AM
Well said, bmxr68 .. + 1 to all of that...
And cant wait John...just hope your still going when my sons are my age..
85TrickStar
Jan 12 2009, 09:30 AM
Updates please...
John De Bruin
Jan 12 2009, 09:58 AM
Nothing yet. I will post when I have new info.
Iwantotbuyahutch
Jan 19 2009, 04:08 AM
QUOTE (John De Bruin @ Jan 13 2009, 01:58 AM)

Nothing yet. I will post when I have new info.

Just speculating here John, but it looks like you have actually got the web site started. It's a black page, but it is resolving to a page now at least!
John De Bruin
Jan 19 2009, 11:16 AM
Yes, I am actually working very hard on the web site right now. In anticipation of that move, I may pull everything off eBay here at any point, so no need to send out the search and rescue team if that happens.
Couple bits of news:
I received my full order for pedals, and they are everything I expected them to be. Very nice finished product and well worth the wait IMO. Packaging and web site is next before release.
I finally received a nylon sample that I could approve for the pad sets. Since I have 29 layouts ready to print, the material style needed to fit the requirements of all of those designs, and some of those designs are fairly intricate. In addition, I am told that this material comes in a large number of colors, with even 3 shades of pink alone...so I'm hoping to get something that's the best for each one of those layouts.
riderippers
Jan 19 2009, 12:08 PM
Happy to hear of the progression; still anxiously awaiting pictures and a transactional web site!
This could be a Happy new year yet!!!
Deano
Jan 19 2009, 02:24 PM
QUOTE (John De Bruin @ Jan 19 2009, 10:16 AM)

Yes, I am actually working very hard on the web site right now. In anticipation of that move, I may pull everything off eBay here at any point, so no need to send out the search and rescue team if that happens.
Couple bits of news:
I received my full order for pedals, and they are everything I expected them to be. Very nice finished product and well worth the wait IMO. Packaging and web site is next before release.
I finally received a nylon sample that I could approve for the pad sets. Since I have 29 layouts ready to print, the material style needed to fit the requirements of all of those designs, and some of those designs are fairly intricate. In addition, I am told that this material comes in a large number of colors, with even 3 shades of pink alone...so I'm hoping to get something that's the best for each one of those layouts.
So John how about a sneak preview for those of us with cash waiting for pedals and pads and the website to launch?
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