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JiveHandle
Hey John, I'd really like to see a new Wind Styler and Exel.



Just kidding biggrin.gif

I'm not a Hutch hound, but I am looking forward to whatever frames you put out.

race_inc
You should make some forks like this too:

JiveHandle
QUOTE (race_inc @ Sep 14 2009, 10:13 PM) *
You should make some forks like this too:



Hey what is that?
race_inc
Those are some very "special" Trickstar forks, just ask Mike Buff!
John De Bruin
Black Hutch pads have arrived and are available for immediate shipment.

Thanks to those who waited patiently for them to arrive.
iluvretrobmx2
QUOTE (race_inc @ Sep 14 2009, 10:13 PM) *
You should make some forks like this too:



This is a USELESS STUB that gets in the way of modern flatland based on axle pegs! I hate my 86 Trickstars "useless" stubs too!
RedlineJunkie
Wow Hutch was always an eye catcher. It would be nice to see some new designs as well as some oldie but goodies. Right on John thanks for picking up and attempting to rekindle an old flame. It wont be easy but as youve seen theres alot of support. I still have memories of bloody shins from the beartrap. Yet those are still my favorite pedals. Still cant bring myself to buy those whatcha muh call it clipless thingy doodads. I always say when I plop my Vans on my beartraps Im locked in just fine. No need to take the bike with me if I need to bail. Just be sure to keep out of my bikes way cause those eggbeaters dont mess around!
race_inc
QUOTE
This is a USELESS STUB that gets in the way of modern flatland based on axle pegs!


Useless stub yes, but very cool forks.
Hutchy
Are those forks the real deal? Your not dissing again are you? I only ask, because the welding on the inside of those forks is damn ordinary. High school metal shop stuff really. huh.gif
race_inc
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I only ask, because the welding on the inside of those forks is damn ordinary.


Those dropout welds are actual Hutch welds.
Hutch Freak
I know where a real set of these forks exist....Very cool. I have tried to get them many times, but the owner will not let them go. He had one of the first Trickstars ever made and knew both Mike and Woody.

Very cool forks....I know they may not be functional in todays world, but very cool indeed.
sonikk71
QUOTE (Hutch Freak @ Sep 20 2009, 02:14 PM) *
I know where a real set of these forks exist....Very cool. I have tried to get them many times, but the owner will not let them go. He had one of the first Trickstars ever made and knew both Mike and Woody.

Very cool forks....I know they may not be functional in todays world, but very cool indeed.

You are correct. I remember the first time I saw those in BMXA. Buff was riding a set. They may be out of date and kind of non functional but what a cool piece of BMX history!
JiveHandle
QUOTE (race_inc @ Sep 14 2009, 10:13 PM) *
You should make some forks like this too:



After market standers?
race_inc
Reilley1
QUOTE
Useless stub yes


Story of your life smile.gif
Jason F.
new judge needs to have the option of a 22" tt, euro or american bb v brakes with removable posts and a useable brake bridge, use the old geom. except a more laid back seat post and possible a shorter rearend , but not much. oh and a 24" version too.
kellyt.b.
QUOTE (compIV @ Sep 22 2009, 05:14 AM) *
new judge needs to have the option of a 22" tt, euro or american bb v brakes with removable posts and a useable brake bridge, use the old geom. except a more laid back seat post and possible a shorter rearend , but not much. oh and a 24" version too.



While your at it send him 10,000 bucks to buy into the company, and then you can dictate on how he should make the frames etc.
chase2wheels
JDB, any word on the aerospeeds?
Romain Nusbaumer
Hello JDB ! Just want to know if you plan to sell separately little parts for Deep H an Western style stems as wedges, bolts, etc..., because a lot of us need that.
Thanks.
Walter Holda
QUOTE (John De Bruin @ Sep 4 2009, 02:54 AM) *
All replacement spindles will be automatically sent out to everyone who purchased them, as soon as they are available. You do not need to request them.


Any update on the spindles John?
John De Bruin
The order for Aerospeed's was fairly large, so these are behind schedule and may come to me in partial shipments. (I was hoping to avoid that). I am told that 10-15 sets are almost done. I recieved a heavy and expensive box of titanium yesterday, so all the BB's are in-stock. Packaging is finished too.

Romain, I can't guarantee that my quill's and wedge are direct replacement for vintage stems so I probably won't be selling any individual parts for restoration purposes.

I am told that the replacement spindles will be sent to me on the 8th, so I should have them a few days after that. I will immediately begin the process of sending those out, starting in the order that the orders were received.

I'm obviously not working to release any new stuff until all oustanding issues are brought up to date. Hubs are very close to being finished, and all the Ti axles for those came in not too long ago, but those are on-hold until I wrap up these other things first.
Heel2315
10-15 sets done in 7 weeks. It may be a while before they're all ready.......a very long while. There was alot more than 15 sets sold.
CythoN
John, any idea when the pre order deep H stems will ship?
imunch
QUOTE (John De Bruin @ Sep 29 2009, 07:59 PM) *
I will immediately begin the process of sending those out, starting in the order that the orders were received.



Will this be the same for the aerospeed orders as well?
Bradster
John, are we able to order your deep H stem still or was it for a limited time and that time has now passed?
Thank you.
John De Bruin
I still have some stems available.

It's been a major ordeal, but I am now 100% relocated to my new facility. First priority is to finish up everything I need to do on these pre-order items. I'm also waiting for a new update on the cranks. The replacement pedal spindles are being sent to me on the 8th (in 2 days) so I should have them by next week.
Heel2315
QUOTE (John De Bruin @ Oct 6 2009, 10:03 AM) *
I still have some stems available.

It's been a major ordeal, but I am now 100% relocated to my new facility. First priority is to finish up everything I need to do on these pre-order items. I'm also waiting for a new update on the cranks. The replacement pedal spindles are being sent to me on the 8th (in 2 days) so I should have them by next week.


John,

I was thinking with your move, the bike trade show last week, the spindles, cranks and stems you'd pulled all your hair out. Good to hear it's all going well. Any chance we could get a sneak peek on the packaging or any spy shots?

Also once you receive an update from your guy on the cranks will we get a new updated time frame from Hutch bmx.com?
currio
QUOTE (currio @ Apr 25 2009, 01:45 AM) *
Wow, after trawling through 43 pages, I think I have earned the right to offer my 2 pennies worth.
I read with interest when this subject first came up, as I have Hutch items myself, and like most collectors, still have pieces not yet obtained.
From experience, there have been only one or two instances of repop products, were all considerations from the old school fraternity have been met, and all parties were content with the outcome.
To expand on this, these items have been 'soft' repops, for example decals.

Unfortunately, and I mean no offence here, but this 'franchise' of Hutch products does not sit well with me.
I dont know how much effort was put in to obtaining original casting patterns, original jigs and tooling, and maybe they weren't available, but from reading through this thread it feels as though this wasn't the main goal of the project.

No disrespect meant again, but with todays technology, it is easy replicate old school original equipment, be it from billet or casting. (i.e Stems or pedals)
There are many examples of repop Hutch items already out there.

The feature that should make your products credible for some people, is the purchase of the original manufacturer's trading name. For me, that's not enough. Certainly not for a frame and fork for example.
Full marks for the idea and initiative, but I would like to see reference to original drawings, and the level of detail used to retain the original product.

For me, these products would carry more credit if they were made using the original factory tooling, or even some insight to how these products came about.

I don't like doing this, but I quote from a JDB response on this thread.

My opinion is if you have "that amount of money tied up into this stuff" maybe you've lost sight of what this stuff is.
I don't collect vintage because it's vintage. I collect vintage because it's BMX. And in my collection there's room for more than just vintage BMX
.

This sentiment doesn't inspire me to go out and buy any of this new 'Hutch' stuff.


When I posted this reply, I wasn't looking to knock John's venture, in fact, I applauded his initiative, he saw a market, and went for it.

Since then, I have observed this thread.

The reason for my post was to say, that without prior history of product, proven method's of manufacture, material knowledge, Non Destructive Testing procedures etc, that simple copy manufacturing methods from an old example was an unknown, and risky path to take, for a new venture.

From the quality issues with the pedal spindles, it seems I had a reason for concern.
I am not here to prove a point, but would like to know if since this incident, John has put any thought into preventing future quality failures.

I have heard about the companies new machining abilities etc, but these mean nothing unless the integrity of the components have since been assured through prior knowledge, specs, or product assurance through qualified metalogists etc.

Just my observations.
Shaun
Jason F.
QUOTE (kellyt.b. @ Sep 22 2009, 04:07 PM) *
While your at it send him 10,000 bucks to buy into the company, and then you can dictate on how he should make the frames etc.

for 10k I could have any number of people make me all the custom stuff I want and put whatever stickers I felt the need for. cool.gif
TRILOGY
Any pics or price of the new Trickstar yet ??
race_inc
QUOTE
I asked for a refund on my order of bootleg aerospeeds, stems, and pedals...only to get taxed a $100 restocking fee; my order was $1000. I don't know how you pay a restocking fee on a item that doesn't even exist yet.


QUOTE
The reason for the re-stocking fee was that I had to order materials and work from all my vendors, along with providing advance payments to them for that. The date in the Newsletter e-mail established a clear cutoff point between the start of the pre-sale, and when any refund requests would begin being subject to the restocking fee based on my needing to spend the money to get things going.


LMAO! JDB is at it again! What a scam to charge a "restocking fee" on items that were never even shipped, good one JDB!
Heel2315
QUOTE (race_inc @ Oct 12 2009, 08:24 PM) *
LMAO! JDB is at it again! What a scam to charge a "restocking fee" on items that were never even shipped, good one JDB!


The restocking fee was in the terms and conditions on the web site. If people would have read it, they would have known about it.
race_inc
Still though. I could see if these people had actual product that was returned but there wasn't, regardless if it was in the terms or conditions.
Heel2315
QUOTE (race_inc @ Oct 13 2009, 08:11 AM) *
Still though. I could see if these people had actual product that was returned but there wasn't, regardless if it was in the terms or conditions.



All of this begs the question when we'll see the finished product. I expect the wait will be worth it based on the samples from Rockford.

Knock JDB and his buisness practices all you want (which I sill think are somewhat in line with what I see every day), but everything I have got from him, or seen on his site so far has been top knotch.
race_inc
He also charged someone a restocking fee for sending back some recalled pedals with the bad spindles, which that person willingly paid. I don't get that either.
Heel2315
QUOTE (race_inc @ Oct 13 2009, 11:01 AM) *
He also charged someone a restocking fee for sending back some recalled pedals with the bad spindles, which that person willingly paid. I don't get that either.


Didn't see that. If the pedals are defective, then there shouldn't be a penalty. Not real sure if JDB did that...
Hutchy
This is probably somewhere you don't want to frequently post John, due to the frequent cross hairs that appear from some members here, but if do do drop in and have a look, do you have an update on product developments, or delivery dates?
GFR Industries
QUOTE (Btpd22 @ Sep 4 2009, 03:27 AM) *
I never got an email reference the spindles at all, I have set # 054. huh.gif So should I assume a new pr of spindles will be on their way and feel fortunate I haven't installed and ridden the ones I have? unsure.gif



QUOTE (John De Bruin @ Sep 4 2009, 03:54 AM) *
All replacement spindles will be automatically sent out to everyone who purchased them, as soon as they are available. You do not need to request them.



Do you have a date for shipment on the spindles? huh.gif
Jason F.
QUOTE (Hutchy @ Oct 21 2009, 04:00 AM) *
This is probably somewhere you don't want to frequently post John, due to the frequent cross hairs that appear from some members here, but if do do drop in and have a look, do you have an update on product developments, or delivery dates?

99% of the time the people doing the aiming have done far worse in this hobby, building nos bikes trying to impress people then taking them apart and selling the used discarded stuff and buying another nos rare f/f so they can attract more attention for their tiny ego....all the while claiming to be collectors and hard-core...its amazing how people who dont really get it, actually think they do.
A good quality reproduction is a much better substitute than using a nos part, especially when it done purely for ego.
bmcg5712
QUOTE (compIV @ Oct 29 2009, 01:12 AM) *
99% of the time the people doing the aiming have done far worse in this hobby, building nos bikes trying to impress people then taking them apart and selling the used discarded stuff and buying another nos rare f/f so they can attract more attention for their tiny ego....all the while claiming to be collectors and hard-core...its amazing how people who dont really get it, actually think they do.
A good quality reproduction is a much better substitute than using a nos part, especially when it done purely for ego.

Huh?
Walter
yeah, i read it 3 times and i still dont know what the f he was trying to say...........




QUOTE (bmcg5712 @ Oct 29 2009, 03:00 AM) *
Huh?

race_inc
He may be related to Donald Ray.
Jason F.
lol reading comprehension? But then I am double dislexic sometimes..... I am saying THE GUYS taking aim at JDB are sometimes WORSE than what they say JDB is....
Reilley1
Yah, true. Race Inc once reppoped the legendary Bango....
bmcg5712
QUOTE (compIV @ Oct 29 2009, 04:06 AM) *
lol reading comprehension? But then I am double dislexic sometimes..... I am saying THE GUYS taking aim at JDB are sometimes WORSE than what they say JDB is....

I have 2 issues w/ Hutch and JDB.

First, JDB track me down at my work via phone and interrogated me about making bootleg/one off hutch stuff (dude, I in sales, not machinary). He thought I was make 1 1/8" threadless Hutch stems. He was interrogating me because I suggested JDB to make them in one of these threads (and showed a picture of Kappa's stems) here on vintagebmx and he took it as I was making them. He told me it was Hutch's products. First, I have no means or methods of producing parts and second, I don't remember the "real" Hutch making threadless parts.

Second - quality control. I have a set a pedals (bought before the interrogation) and I am scared to deaf to rade them. It is oblivious that JDB has no way of testing his [Hey everybody, I'm salty!].

Now for the bright side, I think his cranks are going to be fine. They are being produced by Gary from JC. I have a set of Gary's stroker crank and they are beautiful and solid/sound stuff.

Okay, I'm done.
sack
QUOTE (compIV @ Oct 28 2009, 08:12 PM) *
99% of the time the people doing the aiming have done far worse in this hobby, building nos bikes trying to impress people then taking them apart and selling the used discarded stuff and buying another nos rare f/f so they can attract more attention for their tiny ego....all the while claiming to be collectors and hard-core...its amazing how people who dont really get it, actually think they do.
A good quality reproduction is a much better substitute than using a nos part, especially when it done purely for ego.



I am currently trying to be nice, but I will have to say that this is a pretty stupid post.
GR8BNDINI
Its got to be killing you right now sack. laugh.gif
Jason F.
QUOTE (sack @ Oct 29 2009, 06:53 AM) *
I am currently trying to be nice, but I will have to say that this is a pretty stupid post.

how? you must not frequent the other sites and see the people who attack with ecstatic vitriol and self righteousness attempt to burn JDB at the stake, then turn around a do amazingly stupid stuff to ultra rare nos specimens.
Dont get me wrong I dont like everything he does or did, but that can be said for any business even ones who have been owned and remain in business today.
sack
I do frequent the other sites, and some people have reasons for why they say these things, I know this first hand. The problem is that people read a page or two of the thread and throw out opinions both pro and con without knowing the entire story.
And, I sat across the table from the guy at the dinner at Rockford this year.
sack
QUOTE (GR8BNDINI @ Oct 29 2009, 10:48 AM) *
Its got to be killing you right now sack. laugh.gif


Nah, Karma has rewarded me bigtime.
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