Can any of you identify these as first or second generation?

Those are the new school ones. I believe a certain member sells the 1st gen looking covers for them. Nice wheel set none the less. Heres a pic of 3rd gens

TUFF II's I believe, I had a set of white ones '86?

Which gen is the Campy ones? I think they were flip flop rears.

Changstar

I believe there has only been 3 styles of Graphite Skyway Tuff, correct me if I'm wrong. And I'm talkin production runs, not one offs for factory riders.


1st Gen - Square Edged Alloy Flanges with Campy Hubs flip/flop rear

2nd Gen - Gold Alloy Rounded Flanges (same as alloy flange tuff 2's but anodized gold)

3rd Gen/New School - As pictured above, Plastic Hub with Gold Alloy Bearing Cups, Graphite Stamp on Spokes

1st Generation


2nd Generation
Just like Pycho's but with ball bearings like in Gen I's


3rd Generation
Sealed bearings with 2nd generation flange

New School Graphites are what you have pictured, Mikesbike.

You can add some Kool Caps to make them look like Generation I's thanks to our local MN wiz, Ted Carl.



JT

So what you are saying is there are two types of 3rd generation graphite tuffs. One having the solid 3/8" axle and the other having a convertible axle that can be swapped back and forth from 3/8" to 14mm.

14mm wasn't invented back then for a 3rd Generation.

Campy hubs came 9mm front and 10mm rear

New school Graphites have 14mm option or you can get 14mm add-ons for 3/8th.

The new plastic hub design has gone through a few changes too. I have a set like those above. They are some of the first new hub design and they have solid axles. Some came with the 14mm option, but very first ones were 3/8 only. The newest ones are very convertible between 3/8 and 14mm as they have allen studs, like I beleive bulseyes had BITD.

The solid axle ones are tricky getting them into older forks, like my 83 GT forks, that were made for 3/8 axles with flat sides. Takes some time, but it can be done.

Paul

OK, a mid school question on the different generations of re-issued graphites.

Well you got to know a little bit about the Old School versions too.

The Definitive breakdown of old school Graphites. I shot this image on my kitchen table a few years ago

1st generation was a machined flange with Campy axles and races
2nd generation was a forged flange, stamped "Graphite" and similar to the regular Tuff II but used a Campy axles and races
3rd generation was forged flange, stamped "Graphite" and used sealed bearing with 3/8" axles


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The new school Skyway wheels have been offered in three different configurations since their re-release a few years ago.

1. 14 mm axles with sealed bearing hub molded into the wheel
2. 3/8 axles with sealed bearing hub molded into the wheel
3. 3/8 | 14 mm convertible axles with sealed bearing hub molded into the wheel. User has the option of 3/8" or 14mm by changing out hardware that comes with the wheel.
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Nice table, Bill.

Oak?

Folding or removable leaf?

Oh, and do you (or does anyone) know what the weight difference was between the old school graphites and the old school Tuff IIs? I remember thinking they were much lighter, but I was easily persuaded by cool ads with Denny Davidow.

Table was oak, removable leaf, and I notice that it was dirty when I took the picture...I never admitted to being a photographer.

I've been told that they engineered the wheels to be a bit lighter than the originals. Anyone out there weigh a set to prove it?