I raced one bike on Sat. and thought the same thing. Lots of respect for trying it on 2.

Thanks. I have been trying 2 classes at state races and the few nationals I raced. I am going to finish the state series on both bikes, but park the 20" next year. For a guy, like nearly all of us, tyring to have a career, family, and other hobbies, it is nearly impossible to stay in the shape I would like for BMX.

Chris, what will you do at the O-S race in Kettering, run 3 bikes? You better eat your Wheetys and bring more Oxy than usuall. I can't wait to see how this O-S race turns out.

By luck, I have vacation the following week. So I'm coming back to Ohio a day earlier to attend this race (and visit family of course!!). I'd mentioned before that I raced the novice class forever so many of you may not remember me, but I looked up to you fast older experts for what you could do out there on the track so it will be fun to see some familiar faces again.

I'm assuming that there are alot more pictures from the good ol days of Ohio BMX than what we've seen online here, so I was thinking it might be a good (fun) idea if people brought some photo albums of tracks and riders from back then. I've got several pictures from Hilliard, Kettering and Phase IV (Pataskala) and some zines made from the early 90's that came out of Ohio and will bring them along. Whatta ya guys think??

Wow. The names that have been thrown around really bring back some memories!!

So there is a reunion on the 24th of August? I would love to attend but have to clear work schedule first. Is there an attendance list floating around?

From what I have read, the old school network is still around and doing well. I cant wait to catch up and exchange war stories.

BTW is racing still popular in Ohio? Is NBL still an organization?

Talk soon.

~Bill Jones

Billy,
Hey Chris Cline here. Yeah, BMX is still popular. IN fact, the over 30 classes are some of the biggest. And, yeah, the NBL is still around. A number of is in this thread have come back recently and have been racing NBL.

Steve Smith is the hero doing the work for the 8/24 event. Many on this thread are coming. It is in Kettering I think, but not where we used to race. Never been to the new place, so maybe Steve can add to this.

Hey billy long time ,heard you were busting faces in japan in extream fighting ?
Its basically in the same exact area in the park in kettering .The track is about where the parking lot used to be .
The nbl is still around but more nbl tracks are in the north now- bob bruns took many of the nbls around dayton to the aba .
Def. would be cool to see you again billy

I definately here ya on the photo albums. I'll bring mine, it has many pics from Bitd. Good idea.

Hey Steve,

My mom just gave me a tape labeled Marietta National May 25th 1986 and one of the very first races on the tape was you racing who I think is Shelby James. I am gathering all my old tapes to convert to DVD here in the near future. The only bad part is my mom cut to the next moto and I didn't get to see if you beat him or not. You guys were side by side coming out of the last turn. Do you want me to make you a extra copy? I think I already know the answer but I figure I would ask anyways. LOL

Steve,
I just watched it again and you are racing Shane Hatfield, not Shelby James. My bad!!

Hopefully im beating shan -he was a thorn in my side in '89.He raced 25-30 nationals a year

Heres annas reply- basically the same as beth klundt on the os race.BTW well have them set it up as a open class =no points

IF THEY ARE RACING A NON POINT RACE THE 30 DAY LICENSE IS OK. IF IT IS A POINTS RACE THEY WILL NEED TO BUY A FULL ABA LICENSE OR FOR NEW ABA MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE A CURRENT NBL LICENSE THEY CAN GET A FREE FULL ABA CONVERSION LICENSE FOR THE TERM OF THEIR CURRENT NBL LICENSE. THEY WILL NEED TO BRING THEIR NBL LICENSE SO WE CAN CONFIRM THE DATE OF THEIR LICENSE.

THE AUGUST 24TH RACE IS A STATE RACE QUALIFIER AT KETT. THE FINAL STATE RACE IS SUNDAY SEPT 21ST AT KETTERING.

WE THINK IT IS GREAT IDEA AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. PLEASE CALL US IF YOU NEED MORE INFO 937-271-2733.

THANKS AGAIN
BOB AND ANNA


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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:56:57 -0700
From: zuk1972@yahoo.com
Subject: steve smith
To: annabruns@hotmail.com


Hey anna ,
I oked the old school race with bob and been planning it since dayton indoor[about 4 months]
I planned it on the final at kettering to attract more riders to the state race to build the rider /moto count for dayton.I expect there should be at least 15-20 riders .Some want to race vintage bikes the others want to race current bikes thats why 2 classes .
They have been worried about your flier saying that you accept nbl and that when they show up you may not im wanting to confirm this.Many have never raced aba and havent raced nbl in over 15 years .They would want a 30 day lisc. due to no northern aba tracks up near akron.If you would get back with me asap so i can relay the info on to them so they can plan the trip with thier familys ...
Some of the names might ring a bell....
Kiniyalocts,heisler,nelson,raflik,carnes,cline,boring,merryman,werderman etc
Thanks steve smith

OMG. I took the time to go though and read the 25 other pages. Its incredible to read so many posts that bring back so many stories. Some of them even bring back memories of certain smells, ie indoor tracks, dirt in different states, the food sold at events, and even some odd ones coming from the Whitmans van on the way down to Florida!!

Steve - Thanks for keeping up with this thread and your many posts. I didnt realize how much effort you have into this to date. I cant wait to catch up with you either in person or though email. Either way we cant loose. I will give you the lowdown on whats been happening over the last 20 yrs (I cant believe its been that long) only if I get your story as well!!

Chirs Kline - Wow again names and memories!! Thanks for giving some info on this.. Remember in the 80's there was talk of BMX in the Olympics? I have not been around BMX for such a long time...... But I have so many great memories on 80's BMX.

Congrats to all who are still in the game. I have played so many sports but BMX is still the one I wish I could have stuck with. We left OH and moved to upstate NY and that was the end of BMX but the beginning of wrestling, judo, ju-jitsu and MMA.

After moving to BC in 2004 I have bought three different BMX bikes but broke them all doing stupid things. I tell you if there were some tracks out here I would racing!! Its lucky for you guys that we moved to NY (LOL)! I want my state and national plates back!!

Unfortunately I can not upload any photos of the 80's, while I was living overseas my Mom's house caught fire and burnt what we had saved. That sucked but nobody was hurt so it ended well. If I make it out to Delco hopefully I can connect with some digital copies of the 80's!

I saw some mention of the Nards, what ever happen to them? Big and Lil were kind of like staples in BMX.

I didnt see under manufacturers Elf or Cycle-craft? Anyone remember those white and orange cyclecrafts that Whitmans gave us??

~Bill J.

Bill,
I actually just sold my orange and white cyclecraft a few months ago on ebay to someone in Alaska for $300 bucks. It was beat to heck!!!

I cant believe you kept it this whole time!! Due to inflation you may have made some money on it all these years later!! Do you have any pictures of it??

Hello Billy Jones! Remember the GPV races at forest ridge! I think I have some pics somwhere; I'll look for em. That was a great scene and fun.

Where you at in BC? go ride MTN Bikes at Whistler if you havn't already; it the best!

J-RAD!! Wow, its good to hear from you. The GPV races, I remember them well although I have to say I had forgotten about them completely! The competition part was great but it took a second place to the smak talking that followed. If you could find those pics would appreciate it. I am trying to piece that part of my back together (all BMX pix/items lost in fire) and surprise Mom. Not sure if you remember her but she is doing well in Idaho.

I'm on the North Shore in BC so if I wake up early I can make it to Whistler in about 1 hr or so. I have been up there for other things but no mountain biking yet. I would love to go however at present I don't have those kind of friends and the idea of riding at Whistler solo is not so attractive. But I will go at some point. I tell you what, stop by the house this evening we will catch up on old time then take off early tomorrow. My treat!

I do have a mountain bike and its relatively high end but its not for the trails around here. You need dual suspension with some good travel in the forks. About three weeks ago, on the spur of the moment, I had my wife drop me off at a mountain about 10 minutes away (Semour Mountain). I couldn't believe the things the clubs make down those trails. Man made contraptions galore! It was fun but again best to go with a buddy, the trails are pretty technical and nobody around when you bang your head on a tree could be good for the bears but bad for the family;-))

I remember the trips down to Fla, Sarasota, Olando in the Whitmans van or Winnebago. Lots of fun.

Are you planning to go to Delco this month?

~Billy

What's up Billy,

You and I don't know each other, but I've been talking to a buddy of mine about this get together at Delco. I was mentioning some of the people that have been posting on this forum and I mentioned your name. Anyway, the buddy of mine is Tim Brown. Don't know if you knew him but he said that he had always looked up to you, Chad Lumpkin and another guy (I forgot his name) and I think that he may have gone to the same high school as you (somewhere near Xenia maybe??).

No real point to that story, but myself, Tim Brown, Tom Cantrell, Scott Smallwood and maybe a few others will be coming out from the Columbus area. I contacted Mike McHue and got a confirmation that he and Greg Beem would be there also. And we're working on getting ahold of Terrible Terry Lee from Findlay. Looking forward to seeing everyone there!!

Hey, does anyone have a number for Billy Au?? I haven't seen that guy in awhile and he might enjoy something like this.

coool ,i thought billy au was going to do the hamilton rebuild turns out the guys name is billy allen wrong guy!
Sounds like its going to be a good time .Wish lumpkin and cheevers could make it too.Someones gotta know how to get ahold of au?

Cheevers was the other guy I was trying to think of....Nate Cheevers, right??

Billy Au is working at the Mansfield Corrections facility. Chris Cline, I think knows how to get a hold of Billy.

16 days and counting. What is our back up plan in case it rains???

I talked w/ BA the other day via email & sent him a link to this thread, also I talked to Big Nard today, hope he chimes in on here soon.

I see Billy's parents multiple times a year and have his phone number. Worse case scenario, I have Rosie's. If we don't get a response to him about this thread, let me know.

Chris

Chris-back from Hilton Head already or just playing on the hotel computer. Missed a good day of riding at Ohio Dreams.

A little hotel computer play. Back Sunday now.

I would loved to have gone to OD. I really like that track!

I know I am coming in a little late on this whole cycle craft conversation, but I have to say that I still have my orange and white cycle craft from Whitmans.

I'm not a buckeye nor have I read this whole thread but I have some Greg Beem 411. He raced a dirt modified racecar for a few years around the KY/IN/OH area and kicked some tail doing that along the way. Google search him out and you'll find information and pics. Winter 2001 I was in Tampa at a race crewing for a driver. I looked over my shoulder and standing next to me there was Greg and his brother Dan. It was cool. They were down there watching races that winter. Next seen Greg in 2003 at Florence Speedway and then saw his name in racing results for a few years.

I remember the name Tim Brown. I look forward to seeing him (as long as I make it) and all the other guys heading out there!!

Someone else has posted and confirmed that other guys name is Nate Chever. We hooked back up a few years ago and talk about once a week, Lumpkin as well although i do speak to Nate more. Lumps is firefighter in Cincin and Nate is trying to get him to the reunion. Nate is planning on going but not racing.

So its shaping up to be a pretty anticipated reunion!!

~Bill

Hey Donna!

I cant remember but did you go to any of the races in Georgia?? If so could you get the orange dirt stains out of the uniform?:-))

~Billy

Hey Billy,
Went to Georgia, several times, and still have the stains to prove it. At least I am pretty sure that I still have my old jersey and my bright orange pants.

Donna

Hey donna ,i remember the trip to ga billy/donna .Mike and tom k was there billy the kid too from what i remember ,brian norris,big n lil nard and the california whitmans riders [remember them?]...I remember hanging out with sam and dan blanton some at that race [was that thier last name donna?] and the guys they rode for cant remember the team something from the over the rhine area bike shop any clue? Also remember that was my chicago handle bar era and running a zip back seatpost cause eric carter ran one lol!
Hey Donna heres a lil treat from memphis 86'to jar anyones memory of you..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kq6SGTeb7E

It was sam and dan burwick ,northside was the team -i think lil mikey shaeffer raced for them too-takes me awhile to jog my memory.
The guy i was thinking of about 20 pages back was martin day you guys remember him?he was the italian guy that talked like joe peshe i remember who i always hung out with.
I had to cheat and look at a 86 b-t today heres somemore oldtimers :
Rick williams
dale hibner
bill zdchim
eddie packer=this is who i seen at hamilton a few weeks ago!
dale massie
scott/chuck davis
rich long
john eberhardt
jeff dillon
john caupp
terry langly
kory young
These were a few of forgotten ones that popped out on the page ...
Tic tok the race is getting close ,we can figure something out on a rain date that co-insides with the state race if needed-or i have a somewhat fair idea if we need to go the rain route for the long distance guys ...
And also donna if you wanna race i think it would be cool ,i raced with stacy lupfer [remember her] amongst others at the louisville oldschool race a few weeks ago Run your bike in the o/s bike moto ill even pay your entry since your the only woman so far .

Obviosly not one of my better races. Thats ok..... I enjoyed watching it. That was before our bright orange pants and the nicer jerseys and I was still in a full face helmet. The one thing I remember about hanging out in GA was a large group of us going out to eat and then someone decided to dine and dash (no names mentioned).First time I had ever seen that happen. Not too sure about sam and dan. Do you remember Big Nard cramming quite a few of us into a station wagon and driving us to Florida.

Yes i remember something from just about every race we went to....I remember the pompano fla. race billy was reffering to he won one day i think -i remember him really destroying todd on video at that race both the pumpkin colors flying?-i was riding lil ryan bruns mini bike in between motos and missed one of my motos ...And mike k told big nard on me he was dissed off !-threw my bike in the trailer.... prolly only time i ever seen him loose it [even though i deserved it totally]I told bob bruns this story recently...

I remember Martin Day somewhat and I remember the NOrthside team. I also remember a Rob Williams who had a younger sister named RHonda.
And what about Chris Applegate or the Pennington brothers Rob and Chris?
As far as running the race, I will have to think about it. Thanks for offering to pay but I wouldnt let you do that. DO you remember Debbie Baker? I told her about the race but she is riding mountain bikes now and there is some big race that day that she has already entered.

Steve,
Do you know the final logistics of the race? If they are posted somewhere in this thread, I am sorry I missed them!

Registration Time?
Practice?
Sunday, 8/24 right?
Address of the track or website for Mapquest.


This should be fun!


Oh, Donna, not sure if you remember me or not, but I think I sat with you and Rick at Billy Au's wedding during the reception in the tent and talked for a while??

I have also been keeping close contact with Jamee McClead. We have been playing softball the last two summers.

Yeah i couldnt remember debbies name [that was your sidekick partner in crime right?]You 2 were alot of fun at the races.
Heres the address :KETTERING BMX

Kettering Park
Woodman Center Drive
Kettering, Ohio 45419
(937)294-4110

Heres thier website the os race is listed on there too,dont forget be early cause the whole liscense deal takes awhile for mrs klundt.
Anyone with extra helmets please bring them im going to scrape up what i can too.
Bob will let you run open faces i did my first few races back as well as skater helmets [own risk].

It is the 24th 1:30-3:00
http://www.bmxdayton.com/

Ronnie Rioux from cal. stayed at my house at the akron and stayed through south park when he rode whitman's west. I flew out to vegas 4? years ago for his wedding. My parents and his parents still talk.

I remember sitting and talking to you a Billys wedding. I think we talked a little about my JMC Darrel Young that I have. We were drinking what we could that night to try and stay warm!!!!

Do you all remember Mike Florea ( not sure how to spell the last name)? He is a Cinti Firefighter also. I ran into him at a firefighters event with my husband who is a firefighter for the city with Lumpkin.

You guys are covering all the BMX names but does the name Tran ring a bell?

Looks like I'm out for this one due a last minute change in a business trip

Deleted all the pics I had of the cyclecraft. But, I do believe I still have all my orange and white racing gear. I will bring it with me to the race.

OK this may seem like a strange question, but I want to make sure that I can use some "NEW" tires on my 1984 bike for this race? I really don't want to ride the track on the 1984 Comp IIIs. So, this is OK, right? What do you all that are racing think? Steve? As long as the rims are Old School I hope its OK with you guys. Thanks. Tommy.

Some of those parts are very hard to find -its fine,dont sweat it tommy!

I hate to hear that greg..

Steve,
I propose the following, very loose, guidelines for the old school bike class. I have seen them used in other series and allow for some use of new parts - primarily older parts may not be available.

* Frame & Fork: 1990 or earlier
* Threaded headset/quill stem set-up
* No canti-style brakes (I believe they became standard in 1993).
* Flat pedals only.


Other than that, parts can be newer if safety is a concern. So, if a bike has newer rims, tires, or even cranks, no problem as they don't really make the old school thing. It really is the geometry differences on most pre-90 bikes, along with flat pedals and caliper style brakes that drive the old school flavor.



What do you think?

Wow, what a small world. Mike Flora.... I know the name but cant put a face to it. Do they know each other? Have you seen chad at Fireman's BBQ's?

~Billy

Hey everyone...Steve first off what time should we be there and refresh my memorie on what we will need..membership, clothing.number plate, and as for old school what is and what isnt.. all I can say is that I have 2 bikes... my 20" which is a circa 1987-88 Boss the same way I raced it then and a 1996-97 ish Schwinn 24" which is what i race last in Peach tree Ga. in 1999... So i hope one of them will do if not both.. can't wait to see everyone Donna and I just dug are bikes out of storage in my basement...

Ric

Registration is 1:30-3:00 i plan to be there around 12:00 ...I would suggest to be there at 1:30 if you can.
Just bring long pants,long shirt,pads not required [cool huh] open face is ok jofa not required-[own risk]
driver liscense[i guess]
your old school state# plate

Basically what chris said is cool in the old school bike class
No holds barred in the old rider class.

WOO HOOO!!!