you'll have to talk to Fecke to find out who Rick Simpson is. the family is doing well, how are you? any little ones yet? it seems like everybody left the 614, i feel like i don't know anybody in Columbus any more.

Here it is ,its a quadangle team brand spanking new courtesy of se and todd lyons super duper shout out ! -i know many of you will like this better ive rode a 00 model and it was hands down the best 20' ive ever rode in my life!
Start salivating now but get your training on. Im working on a secret prize for the b main [it will be along the similar prize as the quad]

You're right. Alot of the 614 crew have moved off in all directions. I can tell you that Smallwood is still in town. He recently became a father and unfortunately, just suffered a bad wreck racing motorcycles (sport bikes, I believe). From what I'm told, he broke the c4 and c5 bones in his neck but is NOT paralyzed thankfully. This was about a week or two ago. Last I heard he was in good spirits. Hopefully I can get a home address soon if anyone want to send any get well messages.
Toby Hawk is still there. He teaches at a high school and I think still has some awesome trails in his backyard. Tom Cantrell is around also. Just started up his own printing company and is staying busy with that. I think Blatant Finger may have broken up. There is a new band featuring Smallwood on vocals, Fred Sarginder? on guitar and someone I don't know on drums. They're called The Garrison and pretty good from what I've heard. As for me, my girlfriend and I moved out to AZ in Nov. 06 to escape the winters. Our only little one is a boxer named Rocco. That's enough responsibility for us..lol!!
So how is Fecke, Beem, Landis, Josh (why can't I remember his last name..?..Green Auburn Josh), etc.

I did not hear about Smallwood, that stinks!
It's good to hear he'll be OK though. There is a recent blog from him at: http://www.smallwoodracing.com/

Ok the shipper flubbed up todd says hes gonna send a pk ripper to make it a old school gift to old school event ...ill get a pic of it when it comes sorry for the confusion ..Also theres a se banner that will go up at the race and the winer will get it as well!

Steve,

Do you have to send that frame back? It would be cool if you could have both for each main.

Not sure yet ,but my original plan now revealed was to get a kuwahara matt pohlkamp model xxl [one of his personal frames ] as the b main prize .I havent heard back from him yet on the kuwa thing ...He was in pittsburgh this weekend and punked the whole elite gate for the win on sat CONGRADS ohio rider!

That would be cool since I didn't see me winning the A main but maybe have a shot at the B main. I would love to get my hands on any of those frames!!

How are you deciding who gets to race in the A or B class? Is there a C class for me?

C Class?? are you kidding me!! I am yet to beat you to the first jump even in practice!!! LOL

Maverick had it on his thoughts .This was mine : must be 30 years old and raced or lived in ohio in the 80s
1 moto for old guys on modern bikes
1 moto for old school guys on old school bikes
If there's more then 8 riders in each class then thier will be a semi/main .
Either the old school guys on old bikes can consist of the the b main ,or top 8 riders [4 from each class] is "a"main .Bottom 8 [4 from each class] consist of b main.or just keep the classes seperate?
Either way thier will be a frame for each class.You guys so far[chris ,maverick,protour look like the ones to beat cause your racing on a steady basis.Im not racing in either class it will be fun enough just seeing all you guys plus ill be racing the st race on my cruiser.
Personally i like the idea of keeping the classes seperate -rather then top riders from each being the a main..

I am torn between racing an old bike or my new bike - heck, since I am in such good shape (cough, cough - LOL!) maybe, I'll race both!

I haven't read this post, but does anyone remember Dusty Trails Ohio?

I don't have an old school bike but I will be there for sure. I have already blocked that date out on my calander. I can't wait.

my bike is mid school, My helmet is old school, And I'm not getting any younger. Sounds fun but, Race them all together and award them seprately. Some Classic old school might just whip the new clipped in guy with his talent on loan from God! (won't be me!!!! :}). I would still run two mains just for fun. It's all about the fun of competition. Let the racing determine the placement no questions then on who still has it! I've put my self on a new oreo diet. I swiched from double stuffed to reg. stuffed,and 2% milk to 1%. I sure hope I can make it down.

just keep the chain on!!!

Chris, Did you ever get that 100% sorted out?

Steve,

Can we run any plate we want like one of our old school state plates? or do we have to run our current plate?

The format I was talking about was everyone race together no matter what type of bike you have since this would be considered an open wheels class. Depending on the number of riders you have break them up randomly into groups of 8. For example if 16 guys/gals show up split into two groups of 8. The top 4 from each group would make up the "A" main and the 8 that didn't make the main would run the "B" main.

And if anyone has the inside track to winning a frame it's Steve since he has the first straight pull.

I plan on running my old school zeronine mini plate

Ok ,i dont think the clips thing is a issue last time i checked none of us are running them and if we were i really dont think wed beat them if they were running flats .As far as im concerned clips are out ,but i really dont think anyone will show up with a set ill let you guys call that one .
Yes any # plate goes this is our thing we can score it ourselves and since the winner gets everything hes the only # that matters .You can run both classes if you like ,i think it should be seperate instead of top of each .

Must be 30 years old or raced in ohio in the 80s
#1 old school bikes any size also cept mtbs up to 1989 moto #1 winner takes all B=main event if needed .
#2Old school riders -any bike newer then 99 clips optional 20',24',pit bike ,26 [sorry no mtbs]A= main if needed.This will be the ripper race grand prizewith the ohio state #1 -remember plate comes back to next years race!

I really dont want to change alot on the rules n stuff cause there will be someone not happy [especially some that critisize and dont even plan on racing the darn race]

AND FOR THE RECORD IM NOT RACING THIS EVENT THIS IS YOUR GUYS REWARD FOR KEEPING BMX ALIVE !Along with all the memories you guys have and created .Im hoping some of you keep on racing and get your kids,cousins,family into it too.If this event is pretty big ill keep on doing these kinds of things [even do them in columbus or akron too]
If it works out good maybe we can have another race at dayton indoor or columbus indoor in the winter and the champ can run his frame/plate like the old days ?
If you got the wheaties in your britches the lil deatails wont matter .
Heres the holy grail prize that goes with the ripper to the a main winner:
- my kid lol!

The bs race doesnt allow for 24' though.
I dont think a guy on a webco has a fighting chance against a guy on a newer bike .If there isnt at least 5 riders [or whatever you guys think is fair ]in the old school bikes class we can/should do it exactly as mavericks saying.

I still have that same plate but mine has a #6 on it. LOL. It sure would be cool to get a #1 plate 21 years later.

Sounds alot like one of t-l's local tracks [madison /columbus lmao!]

Hey steve great plate think that was the first state plate I designed... It is great to read all the posts and I hope to make it to the race..and race in it! whats up Eddy hope you make it down... will be great to see everyone...

Eddie and Brian,
I sure hope the chain stays on! I raced at Cleves Saturday with it and no problems, but then again, Greg and I were the only ones in class there, so neither of us was killing it too hard. I did practice primarily on the 20" though. So, we'll see.

NOW, do I build an old school cruiser, or put an old school 20" together??????

20 inch! cruisers are for old people? that's us now .

Would love to race 20", but I feel like I am going to fall on my head everytime I get on one! The cruiser is so much easier to ride . . . heck, I am considering a 26"!!!

MAN UP! it ain't about easy. I think steve is'nt racing because he is afraid you'll smoke him. And your older than him. Remember his baby face

I'll tell you, Steve has come back very strong. I think he isn't racing because he doesn't want to feel guilty taking the fram from TL. LOL.

I know, I'm just talking smack. He's younger than us. Is crab going to make it. He's older than us!

I hold my own occasionally-seems like i remember racing you and lumpkin in 89 eddie in 17 over x.Remember talking to me at the wapak or celina state at your guys hotel near the neal armstrong museum[tl thinks the museum was near toledo or something he dont remember it was in wapokenta] i rode your boss around the parking lot that was one of the early memories i had of you .
Heres some pics of hamiltons new redone track i raced it today its a lil bumpy still but check out that rythm its freakin awesome!
They have a state race there sat before the old school race on the 23rd.




This is my lil turkey !

Fort Hamilton. Cool.

Looks fun.

Feast your eyes on this bad as@ frame ,someones gonna be a lucky fool when they win this !Very special thanks /shout out to todd lyons and se racing!

When did they get rid of the European turn? I raced my first National there back in 81.

Hey, I just noticed in those pics . . . dirt berms! What are those??

I think I heard about dirt berms when I was in elementary school in history class.

I like dirt berms, they are so retro - like us!

I just did some measuring out of curiosity on the ripper ,this thing should ride like a chocolate cake a chainstay of easy 14 inch flat or slightly less and a tt 21.50 +/- this thing should manual very well!
Also idk if the se site is correct but it says 250 FRAMES MADE ONLY FOR THE USA so this thing may be 1 of 250 frames were talking a collector here folks !

http://www.sebikes.com/2008/bike-detail.asp?id=50

Yes and i swooped a 23 year old in the main last night in that dirt first turn too.Those smoothe paved turns sure spoil ya.
I believe the euro turn went bye bye some time in 84?We had one at our first track in middletown too.I raced the 81 or 82 wos also i didnt make the main or they didnt trophy thru 8th from what i remember ...The trophys were taller then me on a semi rig , i remember the se van rolling in friday eve ,and i also remember the line of porta johns were over 30 long those were the days
This photo may have been at the wos that year i cant remember and it isnt marked as so on the back thats either me or my brother in the red in gate 8

That Euro turn was sweet, I loved riding that thing! I wonder what today's racer would think if there was a off camber dirt Euro turn at the next national?

I think Ft. Hamilton was the 1st for the magnetic gate (Tara); do you remember that guy... his kid rode for Torker co-factory??

I think the good riders today would figure it out and love it - eventually. It's the kids are rely on glass smooth tracks, asphalt berms, and clips to ride that would have a hard time.

A few of us have had this conversation at the tracks in the last year - about new and old school riders and tracks. The old school tracks were visually more tame (except the pro section at the Grands !!), but required more power and spin since there were fewer jumps. Many of today's kids are insanely technical - the manuall is a very good skill and hard to master, but is necessary on many tracks. I still think the best riders today would have been good in the 80s and the best riders in the 80s would be good today because good riders learn to ride what they are riding.

That said, a decent rider from the 80s (without a time machine) can struggle on today's tracks. I am a perfect case study. Ugh. Can go fast enough to be competitive, but the good riders just kill me on some of the jumps - I am average at manualling and lower than average at jumping . . . but higher than average with fear of crashing. LOL!

I really like the look of the Hamilton pics - too bad it's nearly 3 hours from home.

I remember the tara gate systems jrad and seeing the name on the gates everywhere.
Hamiltons track is great it just needs dragged and dragged to get smooth its app. 45 minutes to a hour from ketterings track and has a state qualifier the day before the oldschool race if anyone wants to race/ride the track.
I think some of the tracks make it very tough to pass and come from behind ,you dont see many of the passes as you did bitd.When a rider gets back in the pack after the first turn its very hard to gain ground on riders on todays tracks to weed thru the pack. Not to mention many of the guys that do it "just for fun /exersise" arent doing it much anymore mainly its factory backed declassed former pro riders.
I think a brown retro euro turn thats brown /paved would be cool and non skid .Remember the launch /soup bowl stow had in its second turn?

That was a great turn! Todd Hido t-boned me so hard there one time that my rear wheel ended up bent around my seat stay. Good times... good times. Does anyone here remember the first version of Stu's mountain at stow? I remember many broken bikes/bodies on that...they ended up taming it down considerably. Anyone have photos of that?

Yes i remember stu's mountain .I had alot more pics and some from stow but the fence made many of mine horrible pics.I remember the dubs too but cant remember what they called them they had a silly name too.
Funny- look at the step up at hamilton and how there was no lip it was so gradual no wonder we couldnt jump squat back then or if we did put a lip on the only jump in the straight we landed on flat ground.

Chris ,im not much of a jumper either -buts its all coming back all at once- im loving to jump again .I went down and chased tommy board at louisville and i had to jump there to even get around the track.
Whats really crazy is seeing these kids transfer from the second part of a step into a roller on a rythm :jumping down.
I tried this in the rythm at l ville and its so unordinary but its fast outta thier step in thier rythm.I still have to warm up to jumping i dont have the faith to leap a big double right off the bat especially on 1st lap.
Oh yeah i got a email from smallwoody he says hell try and come to the os race and hes doing pretty well considering .He did say he had a hard time typing with broken fingers ...
I realize some of the old guys are checking in but dont wanna join the site[i heard new members have to pay to post now]

The turn at stow after stu's mountain was called the salad bowl. I talked my dad into racing a fathers day race. I missed my 14 novice main because I was at the hospital with my dad who crashed in that turn.
I did get a new set of 3pc redline flight cranks that day! Thanks Dad!!!!

OK, going to be tough to miss this "Ohio Racer only" O-S race on Aug 24 in Kettering, Ohio that Steve is putting together. Reading what everyone is saying, I am in agreement that the Cruiser is the safer bike. Since I havn't been on a 20" for about 4 years, I have decided to ride this JMC cruiser at the race. Original Plate, Demco pedals (bought new shoes), Bullseye hubs on Araya Rims. This race should be fun. Who all are comming and what are you going to ride. Lets see them. I would like to know what I'm going to be up against. LOL Tommy
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I'm going to akron again. I hope i don't DIE!

I was out there tonight and I survived. Make sure everyone stops by and says hi. I will have the bright yellow One Hour Heating & A/C Chevy pick-up truck most likely parked on the third straight. I will have a tent up and a cooler full of water. Don't be shy.

Brian Wick

hey bob remember "show us your nuts, ride bmx"