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Thumperpilot
Here's the questions I have for you guys.

Let's say I know a guy that has the licencing rights to a certain very popular BMX company. This person has access to the original grip molds and the original grip makers of siad grips. They can be made in all the OG colors, but would you guys prefer the calus shreading rubber of old, or would you perfer a grip that looks like the old hand shreadders but are made of modern day grip materials?

I'm looking for feedback on this one before I move any farther. Thanks in adavance for your input.
Jeremy K.
Depends what grips you are talking about. If say it was OakleyII's which are my favorite. OG all the way. I have some original Oakleys on my rider that I am building and I know I'll feel guilty when I start bashing on them. They weren't cheap either.

jk
guest_070901
what did they call that grip material? unobtanium? that stuff was too gummy and it wore out too quickly.

I REALLY like whatever they make the cheap AMEs out of nowadays. the ones you can get anywhere. they wear great, too. No complaints at all.

Can you get him to get the molds for Comp II tires, too?!?!?!?!??!??!?!??!!??! smile.gif
raybeard
Making reproduction grips in any compound without changing the mold is a bad idea. Its easy to tell current A'me grips as the text has changed. Making an Oakley grip with the old font is a bad idea in my opinion. Regardless how good your intention someone will try to decieve at a later date. Its my opinion that the responsible thing to do is cleary mark with a different font or don't make them at all.

FWIW reproduction stuff sucks!
Thumperpilot
They would be clearly marked to show reproduction. They would be offically licenced by the original company. All legit all the way around.
Profiler
OS all the way.

First, not all OS grips caused 'calus' as you say. And we quickly figured out
which ones did and trashed them.

Second, there is no end to the configurations of newschool grips with
the newschool material. Length, diameter, pattern, it's pretty well covered.

Third, whatever happens please make sure any repros are CLEARLY
marked as repro. I think I speak for all of us on this point.

Fourth, thanks for asking. Not enough ppl do.






scottTowne
dude, I can't wait to get those Grab On MX III repros! they is gonna be tight!
Thumperpilot
Think Mongoose grips boys.
Sumo178
The way I see it if they are the original moulds and made from the same materials they are NOT reproduction! they would be back in production. Reproduction is if they are new moulds and different to the originals.
Jeremy K.
QUOTE (Sumo178 @ Mar 20 2008, 12:22 AM) *
The way I see it if they are the original moulds and made from the same materials they are NOT reproduction! they would be back in production. Reproduction is if they are new moulds and different to the originals.


I agree....count me in for red ones!
raybeard
QUOTE (Sumo178 @ Mar 19 2008, 08:22 PM) *
The way I see it if they are the original moulds and made from the same materials they are NOT reproduction! they would be back in production. Reproduction is if they are new moulds and different to the originals.


So if Chevy would start making 57 Chevy fenders again they would be standard production?
Thumperpilot
Let's call them re-issues then Ray.
guest_070901
why didn't you say so. wink wink

Black please.
Jeremy K.
QUOTE (raybeard @ Mar 20 2008, 12:35 AM) *
So if Chevy would start making 57 Chevy fenders again they would be standard production?


OK would they be 2008 fenders? cool.gif
Randy
Tell them they missed the boat by 3 years.
BenOr
Randy, I think the target market is 5 to 10 years younger than us. I'm kicking myself for not buying all the neon I came across 10 years ago.

Mongoose grips sucked BITD becasue of the cheap material. Make them soft. Then they would be obviously repops.

Elvis
New school material, no doubt.
rsrichie
count me in if they are Mongoose grips, they were my favorite, i had a blue set that lasted for years and eventually ended up being streched on to my motorbike back then. I loved the os compound. ill order a few sets if they happen.
Sumo178
from what I know there were 2 generations of Mongoose grips the first gen was nice and soft the second gen went cheap and nasty.
JohnnyJohnson OMAS DirtSlinger
I like the idea only for my own selfish reasons.

I bought Mongoose grips back in... I don't know... 79' I think.
Thought they looked cool.
MAN!!!!! THEY WERE THE HARSHEST GRIPS I EVER RAN!!!!!!!!!
Super hard. Like nylon or straight up plastic.
Hunt Wylde grips were as hard if not harder.

Make Mongoose grips again with softer material, I'd by a set or two.
agentheinz
You talking about ones like what came on the Expert/Calis back then, in blue red and black? Or was there an earlier version?

From the first post, i was almost thinking someone got a hold of the rights and molds to Hutch grips...LOL

Talk about a heart attack, some of the folks who paid 500 bucks for a pair. Hah!
guest_070901
Randy mentioned being behind the times for the mongoose craze.
I'm just not sure of that one.
Granted this is ground zero for vintage and mongoose BUT on other sites I see just as much interest in Mongoose.
An analogy: Kinda like how 64 Mustangs are to car collectors; no matter what your age you eventually wind your way back to the flagship item that stole the heart of the blue collar masses.

In looking at Bill's ebay feedback it seems like folks are still "clothing" their geese in decals at a steady rate. and I see geese being sold on ebay at the same steady rate as always.

So my assumption is....anything vintage goose has viability and excitement for a long time, yet.
Thumperpilot
Thanks for the feedback guys. I've had a fw PM's about this subject. Most are all for it. Keep the comments coming whatever your opinion is.
Randy
Clearly the assumption is Mongoose, has Shannon said this? Anyway, Mongoose made one grip, from 1980 to 84ish, they were plastic, they were OEM junk.

My statement had the assumption he was talking to Oakley. If thats the case and their looking at producing only one model, say the I or II, they have missed the boat. people will buy them, to use and some foolish enough to think they can hoard and retire off'em, but had that grip been reproduced 3-5 years ago....it woulda been huge.

On the other hand, should Oakley or similar quality company jump back into the current market with a current/non retro product they may find a nice market.

*these opinions are based on one cup of coffee.
agentheinz
ehhh, i dunno. I've been more new school lately and there are a LOT of people making grips these days, esp. for the street/trails/park scene. Maybe new school Oakleys would sell to the racing crowd, though. That I could maybe see.
cheez
If we are talkin Monggose grips make them softer please. I remember them being harder than the Oakleys. I do like the Kratan? (is that correct) rubber grips they make today. I don't think a softer grip would kill the repop factor, they are, after all repops. The new Oury's are way comfy.
cheez
QUOTE (Randy @ Mar 20 2008, 10:14 AM) *
Clearly the assumption is Mongoose, has Shannon said this? Anyway, Mongoose made one grip, from 1980 to 84ish, they were plastic, they were OEM junk.

My statement had the assumption he was talking to Oakley. If thats the case and their looking at producing only one model, say the I or II, they have missed the boat. people will buy them, to use and some foolish enough to think they can hoard and retire off'em, but had that grip been reproduced 3-5 years ago....it woulda been huge.

On the other hand, should Oakley or similar quality company jump back into the current market with a current/non retro product they may find a nice market.

*these opinions are based on one cup of coffee.


Did Oury ever quit? Their grips look almost identicle to the old ones but are much more comfortable, and can be found w/o too much trouble
Thumperpilot
Mongoose grips boys, Mongoose grips. Oakley has much bigger fish to catch. LOL!!
guest_070901
not to steal your topic, but I've been running those new Oury grips on my goose. I rode it a LOT last week and those grips work GREAT, very comfortable. It's a little softer texture and brighter coloring/slicker than the new AME grip material, though.
race_inc
QUOTE
Did Oury ever quit? Their grips look almost identicle to the old ones but are much more comfortable, and can be found w/o too much trouble


Not too sure if they ever quit Chuck, but one difference is the ribs near the big flange, the old ones didn't have them.
RandyS
Don't change the mold, reproduce them exactly as they were. When did this whole thing become about how much all you stuff is worth. If everyone with a Mongoose that wants matching grips can buy them for a reasonable price that's great. What started out as a few people wanting to recreate old bikes they had or wanted has become a show of who can prove to be the stupidest with their disposable income. Someone spent $2,000 for a .50 piece of plastic and a .25 sticker with a Hutch logo on it the other day? Unbelievable.
agentheinz
I got repop Hutch plates and grips in the works wait til you see they're gonna be awesome tongue.gif

K Robison
Someone mentioned Hunt Wilde grips. BITD we had a couple of guys who rode for them. I'm thinking Lenny Batyki may have been one pre-announcing days. Anyway, they had the same grips, but with a softer rubber compound. EVERYONE locally wanted those, but never saw them in production.

My vote would be same mold/softer compound on the Mongoose grips. Are those the clear ones? Would that affect the compound that can be used?
frazer
I'm all for repoping anything, as long as it's responsible (marked--but subtle). Some of us are very hard core about the original items, but others (myself included) can derive a lot of joy from repops; joy that we could never afford, otherwise.

Don't use a rubber compound that looks any different, but softer is ok with me.

Thanks for asking and should you do a run, thanks for doing.
scottTowne

Two words: "Preston Petty Hex Grips" They were rad!
Thumperpilot
Ahhhhh, that's four words Scott.
RandyS
QUOTE (scottTowne @ Mar 21 2008, 03:15 AM) *
Two words: "Preston Petty Hex Grips" They were rad!


Were?




Are





Always will be.








Gotta be clear though.





Read this patent, sound like something made by a sunglass company in the early 80s?

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4031775.html

BenOr
Petty were sticky and made of "Sugical Rubber".
Moosegoose Nick
Donkey Dicks...The old gum colored grips from the 70's would be great to find.I think they were made of urathane.
The Goose grips is a good idea. Hope they make it into production.
Thumperpilot
O-G in yellow!

MOREYRACING
Randy, didn't I sell you 2 or 3 pair of NOS grips in yellow above for $5 or $10 a pair in Hobart years ago? At least they weren't Hutch. Glad you kept writing there Nick. Great to see Ray,stirring the pot and Thumper,Randy,Ben,Astronoskipper on this post, just like the good ol' days. Put me down for some Black Oakleys 1's Shannon. smile.gif Yea, I know MONGOOSE biggrin.gif ok, maybe a set or 2.
Thumperpilot
Yep, like old times for sure. cool.gif

Ok, just so we are on the same page here. I have you down for 5 sets of yellow Oakley 3's then. Correct? LOL!!!!
gts340
I'm for it. I'd say if it's the same company, then it's a continuation. If you do mark them make it small so it doesn't detract from the bike. I'd love to have some Goose grips, and have an old Goose waiting in the garage for them.
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