I saw this subject posted somwhere once before. This isnt a bi*ch or complain about it session. Its more of just letting people know what it is. NOS doesnt mean factory stock parts that came on something. NOS stands for " New Old Stock". So if you have something thats off your old bike,nomatter what condition its in,its not a NOS part. If its ever been bolted on to anything. Its not a NOS part. If you buy something that is still in the box from 1984, was never installed or used AT ALL. That is a NOS part. Technically if they were even purchased by an individual they arent. Like I said Im not bitching about it. It just seems that some people dont really know what it means. So this is a FYI. NOS means brand new parts,that were never sold.

About a year ago I put an item on ebay (I think it was a wheelset) and billed it as "NBI" - New But Installed. The parts were installed but that's about it. Not ridden on and no signs of wear. I have that same issue with NOS parts. They are not really old stock if they've been installed although if the item was purchased and still uninstalled I'm OK with that. Saying you have a complete bike with NOS parts almost robs from those who actually have NOS parts on the shelf.

I'd be willing to help change the lingo (although I have very few NOS or NBI parts, ha ha!) but it would be tough. It would take someone with serious respectability to start a new acronym and make it stick.
Suggestions:
NBI - New But Installed
NIP - New Installed Part
INP - Installed New Part

A few others to ponder:
PORSOB - Put On Recent Show Off Bike
IBINBICAPY - I Believe It's New But I Can't Actually Promise You
SINMABI - Saying It"s New May Be Illegal
IWRONG - Installed Without Remorse On Nothing Great

LMK as I'm just a DAHMIT - Dad And Husband Making It Through

NBI - New But Installed
NIP - New Installed Part
INP - Installed New Part

all this = used

agreed!

now, because i am a shop... does my stuff at home still count as NOS, since i never sold it retail?

I'd say "yes" to that. Unless we're going for more alphabet soup, adding NOPS (New Old Private Stock)



M

NOS = Nitrous Oxide Systems

As I've said before, call it anything you like, just shoot some good pics.
Even if it IS nos, it ain't once I buy it, so who cares?

frankly I am a little taken back that someone with 4 posts is letting the community know what NOS is , there have been lengthy treads on this in the past and for the majority of members here we all know what it means, but thanks for clarifying that.

yah, this is well discussed.

actually a new person to the site is the most logical person to mention this because they probably got taken by an ASSUMPTION of what they thought this was SUPPOSED to mean, but got something entirely different in the mail.

like when i was back to doing some bike building after decades away from building bikes, i got some "NOS" stuff in the mail and low and behold, I never knew that black grimey grease with road sand in it was part of the NOS assembly. DOH!

Another loaded question. if it is in fact NOS and is less than perfect condition, is it still considered NOS? EX: I've seen Chrome Ukia's with the wrap still around them, peeled it back a tad and theres pit marks from moisture. We all know there's been issues of this in the past on here.

I suppose my NOS Avocet cranks aren't NOS any longer since I had to test fit it on the spindle .... So were do I draw the line? I guess, I'd just be honest and tell that in a description to the potential buyer.. Either way your not getting it any cheaper from me, test fitted or not.

I also found this a bit funny coming from someone with only 4 posts. I also agree with BridgeCity



True



I think thats the way its suppose to be. Thats what I'd do and what I would expect.

^^^^^ what they said. NOS means never removed from pack and never installed. NO MATTER WHO OWNS IT.

The good old NOS debate. This is my opinion.....NOS=New Old Stock =brand new = never used. Not everything was in a package or box so not everything NOS is perfect. Shelf wear is a reality with "NOS" parts that sit on a shelf, box, whatever.

My favorite: "NOS only mounted on showbike!" Ummmm ok, that means it's used!

There was a good debate on the "NOS-ness" of built wheels a couple of years ago. New off the shelf rims, spokes, nipples, hubs - built by the bike shop, sitting on their shelf for 20 years until the BMX hunter found them. Are they NOS or not because they were built by the bike shop that ordered all of the parts new?

Just because someone is new to this site doesn't necessarily mean that they are not experienced in the "art" or "business" (whatever...) of vintage BMX.

Just saying...because I've only been collecting for a little over two years and I've seen LOTS of n00bs that were much more well informed than I.

So if I took a brand new Hutch frame, bolted nothing to it and burried it BITD to dig it up 20+ years later, I could still sell the rust encrusted piece of poop as New Old Stock? It never had anything bolted to it, never built, never ridden?

What if I had bought a frame/fork combo and the manufacturer sent it put together with a headset. Would the fork still be New Old Stock if I took it off because I decided not to use it, even tho it never had a wheel attached to it?

Man way too many variables here, completely up to personal oppinion of what New Old Stock is.

Kinda stems back to what I said^^. NOS stuff isn't always in perfect condition, it just refers the item as being in the box/package and unused. So what if it is rusted and crappy. Not NOS in my book.

There are to many variables. In any case, the NOS parts will become non-existant as more bikes are assembled if these rules apply..

That was kind of the debate on the wheel thread a while back. Was the part used for its intended puropse etc...

he he, remember how fast those 3 letters would draw TIM to a thread.

Agreed, notice I used a Hutch as an example not anything worth real money

Exactly what I was thinking.


Frankly, stupid debates like this are the exact reason I've spent the last 30 days selling my ENTIRE collection. The thrill is gone due to all the stupid politics.

Thanks for the news flash on what NOS is though. We were lost till you got here........

Youze guys are brutal

New Old Stash!!! Just SELL IT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOS with shelf wear (?)

So then as I understand this NOOB theory correctly, based on the amount of total posts your have on VBMX determines on how credible you are (?)

Now that's funny right there... what a riot!

NOS I Kinda wondered the meaning of NOS, I'm not a collector as you can tell but I do still have my Old Frame and Fork from 1982,

Not to change the subject or Hijack a thread here this is just my.02 here But I have noticed that it seems like the guys(not all of you guys) buying and selling the Old school BMX stuff on Ebay are the most picky and critical bunch of buyers and sellers in any ebay category, I don't collect Old school Bikes so I'm just looking in from the outside and going by what I read on a lot of VBMX threads,

But I do Browse the Ebay listings just for the Hell of it and it seems that just about every other listing there is some Know it all S.O.B who sends the seller an Email telling them you have your listing Wrong Your frame is an 85 and you have it listed as an 84 and the 84 Drop outs were different, so the seller post it so everyone can see, and then the seller leaves a kind message saying something like thanks for the info,

my point is most of us were busy racing an riding back in the day and didn't pay much attention to whether a dropout changed on a frame from one year to the next, so give the people who don't know as much about the part they are selling a break, everyone hates a know it all blow hard,

I know that most of the people who send the emails are just trying to give the seller a heads up, but there are some of you guys who go about it the wrong way and end up sounding like a bunch of blow hard JackA$$es, and if you ask me I bet most of these Know it all's were the guys you seen BITD at your local trails or your local track who had all the best parts on their bikes and knew of all the new stuff that was coming out in the next month, but were slower than crap and too scared to jump the lame set of doubles in the second straight, I remember a guy like this at our local track BITD all he did was sit around on his pro star and look at everybody elses bikes and criticize, I never seen him win a moto, I bet he is a collector now,,,

I'm not criticizing every old school collector i think it is great that there are a ton of guys out there Keeping the old days alive by building the old school bikes, I love seeing em, the thing I hate seeing are the Goofball's who seem to take the fun out of Collecting the stuff who cares if a guy builds a bike and it has repo parts or he mixes the years and puts a set of rims on that don't go with that year frame, he doesn't need 20 people telling him whats wrong with it, it is his build and he can do it his way and if a guy list something on ebay and gets the year wrong get over it, as long as he isn't trying to misrep, something, just send a nice email and let him know, remember most of us were busy having fun racing and not paying attention to every change made in most BMX parts, you wont see me collecting any time soon sounds like a pain in the butt,

OK back to the NOS information,

All I know is, the word "NAWS" gets about as old as hearing the word "DUUUUDE" from some 40something individual. Clearly my own opinion here....

BUT, NOS to me means "NICE OLD SH!!!T" It's all cool when you boys ...dig up, pull out of the attic, dig up in the backyard, crawl in the dumpster for.... If it's old, it's gold to me

MC_DUUUUDE

Sounds good. What you got? Any old Mongoose stuff or MM 1's?

No, sorry. No Mongoose stuff.

The point we were all trying to make was that if the new guy had done a search before starting his own thread on something that has been beat TO DEATH, maybe he could have saved the energy for a more meaningful thread. Just seems odd for a brand new member (regardless of how long he's been into BMX) to come here and use the iron fist approach of "this is what NOS means, period". Just a bit odd is all.

i think it means some [that which cleanses internals] windexed and wiped off whatever crap he is selling.
like when the nerds put JMC DG BILLY GRIGGS 401 HUTCH DG GT ESP VDC after stuff on ebay.
buzzwords for the weaksauce.

lulz

NOS implies nothing for condition of said item.

NOS tells a buyer exactly that, it has never been used, not necessarily unsold at any point to a prospective consumer, just unused.

Until you say nos & mint or I can see it's sealed in some manner, the book is wide open.

you guys are kooks.

Hayes has a good point here about searching...BUT, in defense of 91GT347, if you search "NOS" using the "search" link, it returns no results (at least for me). Obviously there is something rotten in the state of Denmark here, and I am going to work to get to the bottom of it, but soon!

Notwithstanding the tech gremlins, for my part, I would much rather have a new user post a comment, opinion or question (even if it is a dead horse that has been ridden into the glue factory in days gone by), than be reluctant to do so for fear of a public flogging.

We are adding on 15-20 new users every day and those new users, mixed with the long-in-tooth vets are what make this community so awesome IMHO. People you have not heard from in 20 years are finding this site every day. That's a beautiful thing.

Threads like this are, to me, what makes an online community so much richer than a physical publication. Love 'em or hate 'em, your individual opinions are what it's all about.

Best,

M

Yup, NOS with self wear. I've seen it baby! and I don't have allot of posts for how long I've been a member.

i remember a few years back i had an arguement that i couldn't win with a guy who insisted that NOS stood for New Old School...... !

NOS is nice, but I don't pay extravagant amounts for it. Because when I get it it's going on a bike and most likely going to get ridden.

I have been here longer than you but I have less posts where does my credibility stand?

OK , I'VE got 1955 chevy fenders still with original parts numbers tagged to them . are they new old stock because they've never been install and have been in storage for thirty some years? to some they are just fenders, to others they might be gold!!!! none the less, they're old and mine.

It doesn't stand j/k

This is getting kinda funny (at least to me) If Lin Kastan joined here today, and got in a big Red Line debate would you say that he doesn't know squat just because he hasn't been here as long or have alot of posts?

Come on guys let's play nice, ...............GROUP HUG!

NOS is in the eyes of Beerholder

dup

My NOS stands for......


No. 1 Ohio State.

Go Buckeyes...

Let's see some bikes...

NOS to me is a generic term that has to be further qualified by any potential buyer. Obviously there are different degrees of "NOS" like some of you mentioned. I especially like the NOS (with shelf wear) comment!! I guess it's like when you are at the grocery store and you're buying a can of sauerkraut and the first one on the shelf has a huge dent in it, so you move it aside and get the nice looking can behind it. The can with the dent is still NOS no? I guess it can be like when you buy clothes on Ebay...some are NWT (new with tags) and some are NWOT (new without tags) etc. I think "NOS" can mean 5 different things to 5 different people. Just my opinion....I collect vintage sauerkraut.

Well, it was NOS. Darn MN Winters.

My Uncle collects Blow Torches... All NOS. Now-On-Sale

So..... there I was.... eating dinner last night, at my table under the NOS Patterson that was screwed to the wall, at TGIF's, I was wondering the same thing. Because it was purchased brand new from the dealer, never ridden, and now it's screwed to the wall with holes drilled in it, does that mean it's not NOS anymore?

Rule one, condition doesn't matter, (as stated in every discussion).

Rule two, it was never used.

So I guess it's still NOS, with slight drill bit damage?

These discussions are the greatest, and the most futile of them all.

What if the bike is right off the show floor from 1980, (it's been sitting at the dealer for 28 years)? Buuuuut.....



What if some kid sat on it, and farted on the seat in 1981, is it still NOS? Or is it, NOS with slight gaseous discharge damage?

What if the employees rode it across the street to Dairy Queen for lunch, (3 TIMES!!!) in 1980, but didn't include that fact in the purchase paperwork? Is it still a NOS bike?

What if the tires rolled through yellow contaminated snow near the fence post to take this photo? New Old Stock? or Now Old S&#^???

What if some kid special ordered a Tuf-neck in 1980, and brought it home, started installing it, and changed his mind, removed it, brought it back and exchanged it for a Red Line stem? And now you bought it off the dealer last summer, who still had it in his back room from 1980. There is no evidence of the history that it was ever installed, but it was, unbeknownst to you..... Is it still NOS? It was installed and used, but you don't know it?

Just how do you know exactly where that part has been anyway?

If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody hears it fall....

Kinda makes your blood boil to think you might have bought something NOS that has been farted on doesn't it? I can't sleep just thinking about it!

It's such a hermetically sealed metaphysical discussion every time.

Bah.....If it looks like a new part, smells like a new part, it must be a new part. If it looks like a farted on part, smells like a farted on part, it must be a farted on part. Buy and sell accordingly. Final answer....lol.

The whities always get so tightie and bunched up on this topic, that you can just feel 'em squinching up!....lol.

quote)What if some kid sat on it, and farted on the seat in 1981, is it still NOS? (quote)

The fart or the bike?




Ted, you scored the holy grail there...^^ 44t chain ring and all.

NOS=New Old School

Thats what I thought it stood for when I first got into the hobby. Glad I am not the only one.

I love NOS only installed once on a show bike.

Ted, there was a BMX bike at Friday's??? I wonder where they got it from. Did you ask if they would sell it? If you didn't ask them, could you please post their phone number here so I can call them and see if they will sell it? Did the pedals have clips or not (clipless are the best you know)?

They don't sell them. They bought them off the ebay.

Is that the first prototype design of the Osprey?



You didn't have that figured out back when you were a newbie?

"Kinda makes your blood boil to think you might have bought something NOS that has been farted on doesn't it? I can't sleep just thinking about it!"


Oh DAGNABIT! I just checked the blue Kashimax on my bike, sure enough! it smells of NOS fart.
Gee thanks Ted, you wanna free seat?