QUOTE (Steve Bourke @ Mar 17 2008, 08:03 PM)

as far as i know there are no other manufactures designs.
it's a book with different designs that you point at. this front triangle, that chain stay, this seatstay.....etc. then i want this head angle, top tube length, chain stay length...etc.
so if your design guy didn't pick up a magazine or go to the races you are going to get frames that look the same.
my new prototype diamondback reactor pro 24 has the same rear end as a intense sabot, and totally different front triangle. i mentioned it to them and they didn't know and said it was not intentional. to tell the truth i don't care i rides great. one of the best bikes i have rode.
QUOTE (Sodbuster @ Mar 19 2008, 09:36 PM)

FMF never made their own bike frames to begin with. the original FMF frames were made by Bill Bastian. He also did the Kawasaki frames the triple A Rascal frames the
Cycle pro aluminum frames and the aluminum frames for Laguna over the years. not to mention all of SE racings frames until 1981. Plus his own brand Race inc.
I'm refering to the Dead ringers of Avent Cabon frames that FMF currently makes. I understand that designs have a tendancy to bleed over to other makes but that is a blatent rip off. To me it would be no different than Staats buying a bunch of Supercross and badging them as Staats. Maybe FMF buys the carbon frames from Avent? Who knows. I just don't have alot of resect for a company who can't show a little originality.
Yep I knew FMF didn't make their own frames BITD. Bill made frames for a number of companies. Profab did as well.