OK so I forgot the guys name on here that ended up buying JADs inventory but his Ebay name is "cinandthetwins" same guy with the cool red JAD at rockford, and the JAD MTB... I just saw his Ebay auction for a JAD Sherman... so now he is taking the old tubing that he got from Mike JAD and started assembling his own JAD bikes, changing the geomerty around and still calling it a JAD Sherman. Now, I know he bought the rights to the name, and all of his remaining inventory, but WHO THE F**K is he to start building bikes that there are less than 200 of each frame made...ESPECIALLY the Sherman, which is the hardest to find next to the 26" frames...

Ive spent a few years trying to dig these frames and parts up just to try and aquire an awesome JAD collection, knowing that there are only 200 or less of each of these frames made...multiple conversations and emails with Mike JAD just trying to figure out the history of the comany, and now hes just gonna start repopping frames...

Dont get me wrong, i think its cool that he was able to get JADs inventory. Mike had offered it to me at one time, but i guess i missed out...I tell you what though. I would have never thought about assembling JAD bikes on my own and calling them the same, owning the rights or not...

Also, did anyone ever wonder where Heath Mahaffey was getting all of this "NOS look what i found in a box" JAD stuff, or the NOS teal annodized JAD stem (they never made that color), etc.... I only know of one person that acquired a large lot of JAD gear, and once Mike told me that he had sold it to this guy, someone with a JAD that wanted to sell it told me that Heath had contacted him with a story of his buddy buying all of the JAD stuff and that he had gotten a bunch of it....hmmmm

WATCH OUT EVERYONE

Wow... Man I've known Ya awhile Connor even though I haven't been around and know how passionate You always were (and are) about those Jad's. Wish You oulda got that stuff.....

Connor, I got some super rare JAD pedals still in their really cool packaging. They were sold packaged in a custom wooden cigar type box!!!!!

I don't see a problem with it since he clearly states that he did the work himself and clearly states that in the auction...I wasn't a part of the community when Supercross re-made the quad, but I bet there wasn't this much of a stink about it...or how about Kappa re-making bikes...The problem comes in when people buy the frames and then when the re-sell them "forget" to let the people that they're selling them to that they are not legit JAD frames...after they change hands a few times they are attempted to be passed off as Mike JAD built frames...it's his stuff, he owns it, and he owns the JAD name...I think it's cool that he's making the bikes out of the old school tubing, BUT maybe he needs to make his mark on these new frames - i.e. putting serials on them designating that they aren't legit JAD's that were build back in the day...

I am with you on this one Conor.

I thought I had a good JAD collection until I met you. I emailed this guy about what else he had laying around. He told me he had some parts and a bunch of old tubing to make frames with. Unfortunately, Mike didn't make them so, it isn't really the same.

While I do still love my bike, all this guy is doing is decreasing the value of it. If I could weasel that 26 out of him, maybe that would make up for it.

Hey Greg do you have a pic of the pedals? I've never seen them.

not good. yeah he owns the name... but why did he buy it? this is probably the reason and smacks of opportunism big time.

mike, i agree that he needs to make these obvious as reproductions. at this point it doesnt sound like thats happening.... so unless you are a jad expert and can distigush them from the originals by the geometry, these are bound to be passed off.

no one can sell a kappa or an sx retro as anything but, unless the buyer is out of his league.

i would be behind him if he started his own brand and wanted to implement the old jad stock into his frames... but this is pretty low.

CW thanx for posting the pics. Rumor has it that JAD purchased the remaining stock of Thruster pedals (after Thruster went out of biz) and sold them as JAD.....

LAZAROU, it's a long story!!! But, to sum it up, they're not real!!

CW,

I completely agree with you that on this frame he didn't mark it as a re-popped frame, but I don't think it was his initial thought to make the frame to sell it at profit...if that was the case, he wouldn't have built it up, he wouldn't have painted it pink, and he wouldn't make it known that it was not a Mike JAD frame...

It sounds like to me that he built a custom frame for himself that he was going to ride (i.e. the higher bb shell for more clearance) and like many of us, got tired of the project and wanted to move onto something else...

I think that too often we jump to conclusions and flame people before getting the whole story...I know the guy has posted on here before, so someone e-mail him through ebay, send him the link to this thread, and I'm sure he'll chime in...

Basically he owns the JAD company, he doesn't need to start a different company, with a diff. name using JAD parts...so I don't see how it's low...it's his stuff, he could've welded three metal fence posts together, slapped some JAD stickers on it and called it a JAD frame because he OWNS the name...he could sell the name to Huffy if he wanted to and JAD bikes could start popping up in Wal Mart...I'm sure that he bought the remaining stock of JAD inventory with an intention of selling things to at least make his money back, what would you do? Keep 100 sets of hubs in your basement your entire life? The guy has a right to at least make his money back and/or make a profit if that's what he chooses to do...If he owns the name of JAD, why would he want to devalue it and drive the price down on the stuff that he owns??

I just think that some people are pissed because they think that the value of their bikes are going to go down, which is understandable, but no reason to flame someone cuz they're doing exactly what you would be doing...If I had JAD tubing you're damn right that I (or someone that I would hire) would be welding up frames and I'd be riding and selling them...if someones telling me that they'd just leave the tubing to collect dust, let me have whatever you're smokin....

okay, first off you may equate owning a name w/ owning a company. i draw a very clear distinction.

he didnt design, build and distribute anything.... he just bought left overs.

my point about making a different kind of frame is simply, why mess w/ something thats already been done?
more specifically, i would be able to dig a frame he made if it was 'made w/ jad stock' in some other configuration. something new w/ some rare history bulit in. to build something that looks just like the old frame and list it on ebay, means hes looking for a profit on it using the jad name..... even if he discloses its not original... like you said that doesnt prevent the next person from forgetting to mention that.


there is a cult around jad, and an extrememly small one at that. a lot smaller than most other manufacturers of that era. personally i wouldnt have a use for left over tubing, but this guy does. why?



this is where we differ. like i said i have no interest in the left overs b/c they in no way approach the value of original products, weather assembled or in pieces. they would however, have value to someone who didnt know better.

as for keeping a hundred sets of hubs? no, i would sell em and i would have no issue w/ that b/c i would never have to explain how they were made a decade later w/ the old stock.

this idea bothers me too. minty fresh jad cromo cranks showing up? i saw em. cranks that are being sold by heath... instant signal for unscrupulous business. cranks that were recalled quickly, so there likely would be unassembled raw parts that never even got the chance to be finished.

cynical i am, and when your talking reproductions thats the only way to be imo. when i saw the frame i DID NOT go in and read the full listing. i figured it was an uncovered sherman that someone painted pink. last thought on my mind that it was a reproduction.

like conor says, he lists the frame as a jad sherman.

is it a sherman after changing the geometry?

not even close.

is it a jad? he bought the right to use the name, so its a jad...

not to me its not.

I like cheese

this makes me think of the delorean motor company out of texas. they bought the rest of the inventory from the ireland factory and bought the rights to the delorean name. they're taking the parts and basicly restoring deloreans and calling them new. when they run out of donor cars they're going to refab cars and sell them as kit cars to get around safty regs. for the small run's they'll be doing.

my point, something unique, that has a following, uses orig. parts and offers people the chance to own something in new-esq quality that they otherwize couldn't. I dunno where i stand fully... but if you can't get a real one and this one's available, it could be cool.

After hearing both sides of the argument, I still stand by Conor on this one. Being one of the JAD cult members, it really sucks to see that the frame/s you own are now not as rare as you thought they were.

I do however see why he is doing it though. I guess if I bought the rest of the inventory, I would sell most of the stuff while holding onto a few of whatever for myself. As far as the extra tubes, I would build frames and keep them for myself as well. Yeah, I am greedy but I love JAD all the same.

I forsaw this months ago, and to think people had the nerve to question me on parting out this beauty!

It was all real Jad parts. I only have the bars left now and they are on evil-bay.
I can only hope to get a fraction of what I have into them...........................

Boss,

I agree with what you said...I don't know the full story on why JAD stopped making their frames, but we've seen that story with several companies...Technique, Hawk, Elf, etc. They all made a product that people like, but whether someone mismanaged the business or for some other unforseen reason the company went under...I see what you guys are saying that this guy putting out frames might make your frames a little less rare, but the tubing was made by JAD, which means that if the company didn't go under, these frames were going to be made...I would have a completely different stance if he was making exact replicas with the jigs and putting them out there as OS JAD...basically the only thing that JAD didn't do was weld it together, so if the welding is done the right way, I wouldn't mind having one myself...(I don't like that the geometry was changed, but what are ya gonna do) If it comes out that this frame isn't as durable as JADs built back in the day, that wouldn't be cool...I really think we have to ask this guy who's doing the welding (if it's him, how much experience does he have) are the frames heat treated, etc. That would be a HUGE selling point to me....

i have no problem with him selling all of his stuff...why else would you buy it, especially if you have tons of crap, and i have no problem with him bulding bikes out of the tubing, but why not build something different, than building a bike thats already been done and is a rare bike at that. and then changing the bike around and calling it the same. i am glad that he states that he built it himself and what he changed on it, but this could just be the begining...oh well whatever...only bikes right???

as long as he's not trying to pass it off as completely original, i don't see a problem. he bought the rights to everything.

this has happened with almost every company ever at some point...GT, Haro, Redline, SE, Hutch/Hutchins, Torker...the list goes on.

Technically, most of you are right. The guy can do whatever the hell he wants with the JAD name and its products. I think the biggest differance, at least to me, is that the original stuff was the persona of Mike himself. Even if the new owner was to make new products, it wouldn't be done with the same mindset.

I think the other reason I am bitter towards the situation is that I wish it were me in his place. Yeah, not only am I greedy, I'm jelous too.

They aren't repops but they definitely aren't originals. Of course everyone who has one will hate any thoughts of a newly built one for many reasons. The exclusivity, value and brand value are all seriously in jeopardy. I agree, that it is extremely lame if this person starts making Jads and not differentiating them somehow from the old ones. Its also even worse if new ones are not made well and then sold further driving the brand into the ground.

There are some things to think about though. When Cycle Craft was sold to Shag it was still considered a Cycle Craft. If Shag brought back Cycle Craft it would still be Cycle Craft. Its unfortunate that in this case person who bought Jad is not believed to be on the same level as the original owner. That is the problem here guys. He didn't just buy the inventory he bought what was left of the company and all rights to do what ever he wants.

Nbl 49a

It's sort of like when Mongoose was sold, and then mass-marketed through Wal-Mart et al. When you own a name, it's yours. It's academic that in this case, the "new" product happened to resemble the "old" product and was called the same thing. Mongoose did make the retro reissue bikes, remember. Are the originals worth any less? Is there the possibility that someone in the future might think it's a '70s original and pay too much? Maybe so. No real "right or wrong" here, although I can see how a serious collector might feel about it.

Check out this JAD!

http://cgi.ebay.com/JAD-16inch-pit-bike-bm...1QQcmdZViewItem

Oh how I would love to see that!

***MINE***


real NOS JAD Sherman


real JAD Sherman/JAD freestyle bars/JAD Freestyle Forks


real JAD 26" one off custom build


real JAD 24" (ive changed it a bit, took reflectors off, lowered post, crupis, etc...this is the pic from who sold it)


real JAD 20"


real JAD 20"/JAD forks (stripped for paint)


look...I ride my bikes...I dont build new ones and claim that i was going to race it at rockford....

Well guys ive only made the one 20inch frame and one 16inch. both are all the jad 4130 molly tubing.NOW, i did rase the bottom bracket and didnt weld on the seat tube clamp so that it could be identifed! As for SOME people that are really cutting me down,doesnt work! See i to have REAL RARE jad stuff! After all i did buy it all!!! LOL!!!! To all the rest that think its cool,THANKS! Im not trying to be MR JAD! THERE is know other like him!! I wont be making any other stuff and wont be selling anything else,now that this has stired in the wrong direction! All the jad stuff will stay with me!!!LOL!! Guys wanting it ,thank those who slammed me! Im done THANK YOU!! LOL!!

Really?

Hahahaha, LOL!

Wow, the drama is just popping up EVERYWHERE!

How is this, being a one-of-a-kind, different than what dude is doing, other than its age?

If I go out and buy the rights to Plymouth, there's nothing to stop me from making new Plymouths, nor are old Plymouths any less valuable.




Seriously.

There! Now all you crybabies don't have anything to worry about!





Doesn't look like you're riding that one, just "walking" it up a hill!

Dude, stop it...you're killing me over here.... are you going to the show in Indiana coming up?




Elvis,

I tried to make this argument on one of the "other" sites, but no one was having it...I guess everyone is afraid to argue with you bc you are a mod here...haha....

Nah, can't make it Mike. Have a Pinewood Derby race that day. I think I'm gonna put a JAD sticker on the car though for good luck!

Elvis,

what makes my 26" JAD different from this guy building new ones, is that it was built by the "original" JAD company. When i bought the bike, the guy told me that he had sent Mike JAD the geometry of the 26" that he wanted and had the frame built. When I first started chatting with Mike, i sent him pictures of this bike and he confirmed building it and he even remembered the guy's name who had it built. I think that there is a huge difference between sending the original owner/brainchild of the company and it's designs/ideas, the geometry of the frame that he builds and having one made for you, than buying the name and stock, and then building the bikes on your own.

Like i said on OS, i dont have a problem with the guy building other bikes and calling them JADs...i actually think that the pitbike is a cool idea, and his JADesque bar designs look cool. i just dont understand why he would build some other version of the Sherman frame, call it the Sherman, and in the auction listing, and then label it as "old school". If he wanted to build JAD stuff, go for it...but take it to the next level like Mike did, dont remake the old stuff...

I just read what WARN said about it. He does have it all, and is gonna do what he wants with it. WORD...I gots mine...

race_inc....YA I was "walking" it up that hill, but i sure rode the hell outta it when i got to the top....

I'd be scared to ride the hell out of it with those forks. No offense but those look a little flimsy. Do they flex much?

Just curious. How come no one is bitching about the new/old Skyway TA's and the Cycle Crafts?

the forks do flex, but they havent scared me too much yet. i have a pair of 24" landing gears, but they have canti mounts, and i dunno how i feel about that. i guess i might try and trade em out for another pair. ive been trying to figure out what kind of forks would look good on that bike...someday ill take the time to figure that out.

it makes me laugh that when people post on an issue and their sentiment is branded as 'drama' by the opposing view to make it seem less than legitimate.

why is this bashing? why is anti reproduction talk made to be a terrible thing here? b/c it's about JAD and not a JMC? i suppose the old school section is filled w/ crybabies for being against diluting original production numbers. i am not a huge JAD fan. in fact i didnt like them at all when they came out, but i became more appreciative of them as they represent the rare factor in almost every way.


skyway will build as many new t/a's as they can... that doesnt mean i have a use for one.

cyclecraft = simple and homegrown. form follows function. the way i see it, the torch was passed from one bmx family to another. the idea to 'keep it alive' seemed to be the biggest thing and design changes were almost non existent.

i have yet to see CC re-enter the market, but if they do, i would guess that they will have modern details and be completely distinguishable from previous production.

It is actually in the works.

The underlying drama here is because investors might lose money on bikes where collectors look at it as if the originals go down then they can buy more bikes.

Looks to me that the one off ,is a 24inch with a 26inch wheel stuffed in it.Tire is way to close to top tube to be a true 26inch HUMMMMMMM?????

Nah, the closer the rear wheel is to the seatpost/top tube, the more nimble the ride. This is a good thing, especialy on urban bikes. Hell, check out most any time trial road bike. The rear wheel is often tucked under the seat and the seat tube is curved to fit said rear wheel.


Either way, you should sell me one of the 26 inch Mt. Bikes.

Seriously tucked rear wheel.

short

If and when I finally have some spending money, Thursday is who I am going to call. Custom made with many-an-option.

that pit bike is SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!who cares what negatives have been said.that is a great build,original or not,and this is VERY original .
i would have loved to have been able to buy the cw/revcoce name and their inventory left.the more power to you.please stop all the crying,the towls are all gone,thanks to the clevland indians,when the red sox shut them up!!!!!!

have a great day!!!!

Thanks for the English lesson.

very welcome

the 26 one off is a true 26". when i got it, the guy told me that he wished that there was a little more clearance for the rear wheel, but thats just the way it was built. it is a tight squeeze though. i was thinking about trying to run a 24" and see how it felt. the guy i got it from was pretty tall and did a lot of urban riding (bunny hopping up and manualling off of stuff) the geometry is right for it, but those forks are so damn heavy...

i agree with bon jovi thought. the pit bike is sick.....