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Brisben
+1 with Kurt on the USPS

UPS and Fedex charge a BOMB for freight


and where possible try to make the packaging fit the stuff you are shipping


a flat box, bubblewrap and a box cutter and duct tape are your friends

Bubblewrap the stuff and shape the box around it - then tape it up



You'll have an Aussie friend for life
Kurt.
Hey Ben - stumbled on a Hutch Pro Raider, with stamped silver Hutch seat post clamp at a 2nd hand shop today smile.gif

Will post some pics when I pick it up. Nothing like yours, but a steal just the same smile.gif
COASTY
Nice one Kurt.
Brisben
Good stuff Kurt


They are actually a pretty good rider - nice long TT, great geometry, Taiwan's best welders LOL

Put mine beside a Pro Racer once and I know which one I'd prefer.... for the price

Hope you got the bars with it - nice and big too

Did a 22k ride on it with Mick and the Brissy boys before Christmas - without a layback


My fave 20 to ride (Until I put the TA XL together with a set of Powerwings)



(I don't ride on the hutch tyres though)


Jarvi
Spent the last few days wandering around Barbados. Always on the lookout and saw the downtube and thought Nomura. Only joking. Second photo is the view on the opposite direction looking out at the east coast of Barbados. Very spectacular scenery on that side of the island.





COASTY
I can see the resemblance !!
Beautiful view James. Is that a walk up to there? Long hike if so.
broke L345
nice pic James,

how is Barbados treating you? Yo've been there a while now.
Jarvi
Thanks guys. No Glenn it was a drive although at times heading up the hills in the Kia Picanto, I probably could have walked faster. Thought the pistons were going to come out through the bonnet a few times.

Leave here early Tuesday morning and will have been here for four weeks exactly. It's a great place and highly recommend it and the place I have been staying at as well. Very friendly and even a few home cooked meals which has been great.
Kurt.
QUOTE (Brisben @ May 1 2010, 07:30 PM) *
Good stuff Kurt


They are actually a pretty good rider - nice long TT, great geometry, Taiwan's best welders LOL

Put mine beside a Pro Racer once and I know which one I'd prefer.... for the price

Hope you got the bars with it - nice and big too

Did a 22k ride on it with Mick and the Brissy boys before Christmas - without a layback


My fave 20 to ride (Until I put the TA XL together with a set of Powerwings)



(I don't ride on the hutch tyres though)


Yeah I thought that it'd make a nice rider. Good silver Araya 7Xs on it too. Apart from that a lot of crap newer components, but the Hutch seat clamp alone is worth 4 times what I'll be paying for the complete. Frame is in *really* nice condition too.


Great pics as always James!
broke L345
MICK!!!

I started a G'boy registry on the society. could you please add your bike.

read the history first as your bike has had about four owners in the last two years.

Thanks mate.

Christian
Brisben
QUOTE (Kurt. @ May 2 2010, 11:24 AM) *
Yeah I thought that it'd make a nice rider. Good silver Araya 7Xs on it too. Apart from that a lot of crap newer components, but the Hutch seat clamp alone is worth 4 times what I'll be paying for the complete. Frame is in *really* nice condition too.


Great pics as always James!



I know what you are saying Kurt - I could sell the seatpost clamp and the tyres for the price of the whole bike

Silver hoops and Black Suzue sealed Hubs?
broke L345
nice pickup Ben
Kurt.
Naah Silver 7xs and some later high flange hubs. Has very few OG parts by the look. Original decals are gone too. I'll post some pics later in the week.
Brisben
QUOTE (broke L345 @ May 2 2010, 08:05 PM) *
nice pickup Ben


Thanks Christian - I thought you had seen it

I like it











Couldn't take the reflectors off - makes me safe when I ride to pick up pizza
broke L345
That is stunning.
Kurt.
'86 Ben?
RLrelic
Holy shizzle thats nice!!
QuicksilverBMX


nice score matey!
Brisben
'85

and that is the fat tyre - the skinny is on the back



shame it is one of those crap ones from Taiwan

The "Hutch" pedals, stem and spider are all SR stamped as well - the spider is nice as well







Bought it off a guy who told me his cousin won it in a raffle - only rode it a couple of times and kept "nice"




SHADES
QUOTE (Kurt. @ May 1 2010, 07:23 AM) *
USPS Global Priority is best (reasonable prices, fast, secure) - probably need to pack it in a couple of boxes. Fedex and UPS charge a bomb for shipping downunder.



They quoted me $239 US ohmy.gif

QUOTE (Brisben @ May 1 2010, 07:37 AM) *
+1 with Kurt on the USPS

UPS and Fedex charge a BOMB for freight


and where possible try to make the packaging fit the stuff you are shipping


a flat box, bubblewrap and a box cutter and duct tape are your friends

Bubblewrap the stuff and shape the box around it - then tape it up



You'll have an Aussie friend for life



Cool thanks..
84profile
Actually that is a good price for a complete bike. I had my DB Turbo sent out in 2 boxes, and not pulled down very much (didn't want to damage the fragile smoked finish by disassembling it too much)...it was $309, via USPS global..but $239 is pretty average...

(James, will email you shortly)
Kurt.
QUOTE (Brisben @ May 2 2010, 11:27 PM) *
'85

and that is the fat tyre - the skinny is on the back



shame it is one of those crap ones from Taiwan

The "Hutch" pedals, stem and spider are all SR stamped as well - the spider is nice as well







Bought it off a guy who told me his cousin won it in a raffle - only rode it a couple of times and kept "nice"


That's the one you had at Roberto's last year Ben? I remember admiring that closely - so minty and complete. And those tyres!

I think the US made stuff is put on too much of a pedestal some times! I mean do Mexicans really weld that much better than Japanese (or Taiwanese). lol
Brisben
That's the one Kurt

Even though it's 85 - the chrome is beautiful


Personally I can't see a company like Hutch allowing rubbish to be part of their product lineup and they certainly weren't department store bikes.


Another thought - no-one ever has problems with the Asian made Diamond Back stuff...think about it - SR Diamond Back stem is seen as great, DB stamped pedals - Whoa - SR Hutch stem...Meh?

Bizarre huh
Kurt.
Yeah. I mean there is no doubt there is some stunning hand made stuff in the US that no-one else has come close to approaching in terms of quality. JMC stands out for example. Cook is another one. There are lots. The low volume truly hand made gear put together by master craftsmen.

But there is an awful lot of stuff which is no better than anything made anywhere else in the world. Where would BMX be if it wasn't for the dozens of Japanese component makers for example?
Jarvi
Re the Hutch discussion, I think the stigma attached to the non-US made products is a result of the company's initial products and marketing. They pushed the high quality parts and highlighted that plus the origins. Then when they started doing the more mass market completes, they didn't manage the transition properly and came across as selling out and trying to make more dollars by offering cheaper products. I realise many of the parts were relabeled (eg SR), however, it's a perception thing.

In the newer markets, S&M has been very good at managing this and whilst they have slightly changed their wording about US made products, they are still regarded as a company that manufacturers most of their stuff in the US. Sell out is not a description ever applied to S&M. As for targeting a lower end market, they created the Fit Bike Co brand which offered some high end US made products and also lower end non-US made completes. they didn't risk tarnishing their main brand, being S&M.

In summary the Hutch problem was, the stuff was being compared to the higher end initial products more in terms of marketing perception rather than just quality. I don't think that was probably the case with DB and others.
www.martin-bike.com
I don't usually like showing unfinished builds BUT I'm chasing two things to finish RL's bike off
- red annodised bars
- black Haro lever

I have a NOS Comp II for the front and a NOS Snakebelly for the rear

Can anybody help me out? Email: martin@martin-bike.com



84profile
I think the days of copping abuse for showing partly built bikes is well and truely over in this thread Martin! smile.gif

Sorry I can't help with your missing pieces...but that is going to be a fine build when it's done mate!
Kurt.
Oh, I like that Martin!

Is that plate one of Michael's recreations or an OG Haro plate? Beautiful either way.

Can't help on those two exact parts. Haven't tried the Haro levers yet, but I am sure being nylon they would dye black very well. I have a NOS blue one here if you wanted to try that route.

Man that build brings back some memories - how big were Buff and RL to us kids BITD. Heroes!
Kurt.
Yeah I hear you James.

I do find it kinda funny though that Hutch has well and truly more than its share of haters - and the Hutch guys seem to hate everything except the US made gear smile.gif
AndyDiamond
Re the Hutch Pro raider - take the Hutch tyres off and sell on ebay for silly money.
Get some Cheng Shins and pocket the spare cash.
84profile
QUOTE (Kurt. @ May 4 2010, 03:07 AM) *
Yeah I hear you James.

I do find it kinda funny though that Hutch has well and truly more than its share of haters - and the Hutch guys seem to hate everything except the US made gear smile.gif



It's the same as saying a 924 Porsche is still a Porsche hey James...ha ha just messin with you...

Awesome pick up Kurt! Looking forward to the pictures...I'm still in awe of the quality of your survivor Ben! Those tires, whoa, incredible! As Andy just said (as I was tying this) they would be worth a fortune...over $1k on the bay! In saying that you coul never separate that bike up it would be a crime..OG all the way!
Jarvi
QUOTE (84profile @ May 3 2010, 06:51 PM) *
It's the same as saying a 924 Porsche is still a Porsche hey James...ha ha just messin with you...


Don't you mean any Porsche with the engine in the front! That said, I like the 944 and 928S models so I must not be a purist.
Kurt.
Yeah - I have to check it out more closely when I do. It is buried under a pile of mild steel crap bikes - had to look two or three times to believe what I was looking at. After checking out the brake bridge I did the customary reach down with one hand and feel under the BB - and found a serial, so most likely a Raider. Chrome looks *great*. Who knows, fingers crossed it is a Tai Pro Racer. LOL!
84profile
QUOTE (Jarvi @ May 4 2010, 08:58 AM) *
Don't you mean any Porsche with the engine in the front! That said, I like the 944 and 928S models so I must not be a purist.



My Dad, bought a new 928S (selling his 911SC) the same year I bought my Profile F/F, it was awesome...heaps of grunt 221KW and MASSIVE 15" wheels! Oh how times have changed..
COASTY
Nice build there Martin. What bars are they that you need? Also what are you going to do about the forks? Would be nice to have some like his! LOL
www.martin-bike.com
Thanks. I'm still unsure about the bars - any ideas anybody?

I have the forks but not in chrome. They're a gold set on my chrome looptail Quad.

My photographer FINALLY set a date to shoot my bikes. I've been waiting over a year for this. Can't wait.

I have so much going on and so many surprises I can't wait to share with you guys.
84profile
I for one, can't freakin wait to see your surprises, they are always outta control!
JMCGT
They look like rare cut LG's too..
Jarvi
Looking forward to seeing the photos Martin.

Think I'm going to like Miami Beach. Went for a walk to get my bearings this afternoon and saw a blonde babe in a bikini on a bike.

Kurt.
Looking forward to the pics Martin!

Nice stuff James. 4 of the 5 big "B"s. Looks like the 5th Bs were Ok too. wink.gif
Kurt.
Happy Birthday Reece for today - and Pete Porker for tomorrow!
Volcano
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Reece & Pete! smile.gif
Jarvi
Happy Birthday. Hope it's a good one Reece.
QuicksilverBMX
thanks Mick!
JMCGT
Happy Birthday Reece.. Have a good night mate..
COASTY
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Reece. Have a great night.

James, More pics please. Try not to get arrested though. LOL

Martin, always look forward to whatever you come up with !

Can someone tell me when MCS stems came out. Thanks to a mate I now have a 6 bolt stem. woo hoo! Been looking for a long time.
Kurt.
They were pretty early Glenn - I'll say '77 is very safe.

I'll just go check my mags see if I can find a pic during '76. Wouldn't surprise me.

MCS stems are awesome - Is this the gold one on Oz? - bargain for that condition. A later red 4 bolt one went for about $107 + post this week on Oz e:bay too.
COASTY
Yeah Kurt. thats the one. I have wanted one for years (Jeff Watson had one on his bikes) but they just don't come up a lot. I'm very happy with it.
I went through all my BMXA mags (I got the cd's) last night looking for something else and can't be bothered looking through them again, yet.
Thanks mate. Good info.
Brisben
I love the 6 bolt MCS stems

I have a blue and a red one - I just think they are the first step in the change of technology in BMX

Never had one back in the day and just have to have them now

I'm sure as Kurt is that they were 77 - 78

That is why I put one on my 77 Goose - you know you love it Coasty




I should have it built properly for Roberto's


(geez - someone forgot to hand out the ritalin at the kindy today LOL)
Volcano
Reece...hope u had a great Birthday mate!

Glenn - Need the decal for that MCS Stem? wink.gif
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