Feb 11 2007, 04:53 AM
I wouldn't fit one bitd. How'd you think I could ride this one now? I haven't even ridden it yet and I can tell. A team Quickie would have been nice!
Feb 11 2007, 04:59 AM
you mean like this one coasty?
someone had one for sale in the Aus topic that got closed.
Feb 11 2007, 05:19 AM
hey , theres an auction on the US ebay for an ET Kuwahara from adelaide BUT not listed as sale to OZ ..weird . http://cgi.ebay.com/KUWAHARA-E-T-BMX-1982-...1QQcmdZViewItem
i offered them $600 earlier (off ebay with immediate pick up and cash payment)... now the bike is at $760us and the auction is not finished yet .
going pretty good for "we didnt know it was worth anything"
i was only going on the FF&bars for the price , the rest is basically junk .
Feb 11 2007, 05:23 AM
[ February 11, 2007, 06:24 AM: Message edited by: OZZYBMX ]
Feb 11 2007, 05:27 AM
Thats the model Proline I'm after Or earlier. I'd rather a painted one but chrome is good too.
I was wondering what happened to that E.T. Now we know.
Feb 11 2007, 05:34 AM
Like this one.
Feb 11 2007, 05:59 AM
very nice coasty. that would be pre 1981, the forks arn't the tapered ones. most if not all prolineII's will be chrome.
Feb 11 2007, 06:01 AM
duh..........i've just seen the caption at the bottom of the pic LOL
Feb 11 2007, 07:20 AM
is ebay user snow333surfing (from oz) a member here , he just coined the ET Kuwahara on ebay for $900us , $1160au .
[ February 11, 2007, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: OZZYBMX ]
Feb 11 2007, 04:38 PM
Yeah Mark thats my old KOS, I just changed the colour scheme since I have the Mongoose winners choice tyres now.
Glenn I have a Proline II but I am really looking for a Proline I. They're hard to get, it would probably have to come from the US and have a big price tag attached to it.
Feb 11 2007, 06:07 PM
hey quicky does your prolineII have the bb brace? i'm trying to track down when the bb brace went in along with the brazed (rather than welded) rear drop outs.
i have my thoughts on a kuwahara for that price that i will keep to myself LOL
Feb 11 2007, 07:30 PM
Feb 11 2007, 08:56 PM
Feb 11 2007, 09:42 PM
quote:Because there are people with more dollars than sence born everyday....... lol
posted 12-02-2007 12:30 PM
can someone help me work out why $$$ for these?
Feb 11 2007, 10:05 PM
ok no bb brace, so the id would start with RB or RC and no redline stamp? american frame with welded rear dropouts.
Feb 12 2007, 12:00 AM
OZZY..... are u nuts???
i was only going on the FF&bars for the price , the rest is basically junk .
YOU COULDNT GET A MORE ORIGINAL ET THAN THAT. EVERYTHING IN ORIGINAL IS ON IT!!!!!!
You can send me your "junk" anytime.......
Feb 12 2007, 02:18 AM
Thats a nice lookin frame Reece. That should clean up well. If you want to unload it, let me know. I saw some of the prices for the other earlier frames, YIKES !!!! One went not long ago, it was NOS though for over $600 US. Thats a good price but way over my budget.
Feb 12 2007, 02:54 AM
Hi guys. I wonder if anyone on here has got my old proline. I sold it along with a cobra years ago to someone from Brisbane. You couldn't miss it, it has the name SPECHELLY stamped in large letters on the BB.
Feb 12 2007, 04:19 AM
Yeah Glen I was offered a Proline I for $450 US shipped but thats a little outta my price range. I will let this Prolone II go once I find a Proline I.
Feb 12 2007, 04:47 AM
waza , as im basically a 1 year old NOOB , i like shiny bikes , i hold no value on survivors whatsoever . all my bikes get ridden .
that kuwa has chunks out of the wheels , grips are rubbish , tyres , seat , paint job , stickers , brakes ect ....
scraped up bmx bits are JUNK to me and if i had was nuts enough to spend $1200 on a bike that needed a complete rebuild , i would have sent you the original scraped up bits no bother FOR THE 2 YOU ALREADY HAVE
if i had $1200 to spend on it , i would strip it and get a brand new paint job done on it (FF&B) ... probably try and save the cranks , seat post and stem looks good , seat clamp ect.....the rest would be replaced with NOS bits .
yes mate , i would love an ET but at that price it doesnt look like im getting one
Feb 12 2007, 05:19 AM
Ozzy, that sure is an interesting point of view.
For me, being involved in a hobby that is about valuing old things means (by definition) that the old and genuine should have as much or more value then the shiny repros.
It's a nature of the beast - if antique furniture is stripped back and refinished, it becomes worthless. If it has genuine provenance associated with it relic nature, it becomes priceless.
Of course the Old School Bikes that are built up and displayed on this forum are unreal and I always admire the effort that people go to, to make them so perfect. But to dismiss out of hand something that is untouched and original from BITD as junk is not really what it's about is it?
Feb 12 2007, 06:00 AM
Sorry to go totally off topic - I am fairly new to VBMX and can't hold it in any longer.....Does anyone out there have a set of 87, 88 haro master forks to sell (serva -if your out there Roberto told me you might be the man?) Will pay good money or money +swap for something of interest. Thanks guys- sorry I will go now...
PS -This site rocks
Feb 12 2007, 06:03 AM
quote:yes absolutely , but we are lucky enough to have NOS bits from 1980 that have never been bolted to a bike . so comparing what we are doing to BMX bikes is not the same as destroying a 1 off masterpiece that cant be replaced ever.
if antique furniture is stripped back and refinished, it becomes worthless
quote:agreed , but who is saying repos ! if i have a set of scraped up ukai's that will not look the part on my recently acquired $1200 ET frame and forks ,i will buy a NOS set (NOS .... NOT REPO) .... even just the hoops if the hubs can be saved and sew the hubs back in with NOS spokes .
more value then the shiny repros
Brake cables - get new ones
DC MX levers - Get new ones .
i will send you all the JUNK scraped levers , stems , rims and stuff i have here and you can hold "your value" to them .... and send me BRAND SPANKIN NOS REPLACMENTS
maybe its nice to keep a bike with all the original bit on it ...yep . but id rather have exact NOS replacments anyday , and have that bike gleaming in show condition .
If the bike was mine from BITD ... YES i would hold a great value to it and keep it as a survivor , but not a bike that someone i dont know's kids have beat up and down the street for years on .
every single collector on here is different , everyone is at different stages of his OS BMX hobby , some people buy and dont ride the bikes , some people collect survivors . some people like old scraped bits , some like shiny nos . maybe someday i will value a bike as a survivor , but for now its exactly as above .
[ February 12, 2007, 07:17 AM: Message edited by: OZZYBMX ]
Feb 12 2007, 06:14 AM
Fair enough and a great response!
Basically, I don't have the patience to put in the hard yards in restoring anything. So in that respect I probably would go the NOS route myself, given the choice.
Of course I guess also that I was saying that bike in original excellent condition (which of course are as rare as hen's teeth) are even better than degraded survivors.
Feb 12 2007, 06:23 AM
all good mate .
thats the bit that gives me the pleasure , getting an old BMX that i remember and always wanted from BITD and putting it back to the way it once was .
i'll clean bits , build the wheels , do the running around powdercoaters and chromers , spend hours on ebay getting bits , build it , and then stand back and look at the BLING new bike , then tear up the street on it to see how that baby performs
Feb 12 2007, 06:29 AM
Well, now I actually have a bike that I will need to restore as of tonight - a Moosegoose (yes it was me.... ) I have always wanted one of those....
Great wheelie bike....
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Feb 12 2007, 06:42 AM
you left me at $510 on that moosegoose (bidder 3), nice bike , i have too many projects on the go at the moment ....but always room for another .
anyone got a moosegoose F&F for sale ??
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Feb 12 2007, 09:49 AM
Confirmed my flights back for late May. Will be working on these . . .
Great to see you back Ajay . . .
Feb 12 2007, 01:45 PM
Interesting discussion fellas. I have a Federation house we're in the last year of restoring and have spent a fair bit on antiques to go in it. Ajay - you are right on retaining that original patina and value.
It's a little different in BMX I guess - more like the vintage car scene than the antique furniture collecting scene. Incredible survivors and mega restorations both have a lot of value - but in appearance can be at opposite ends of the spectrum.
The longer I am back in the scene the more I appreciate survivors - anyone with enough money can duplicate any bike they like with NOS gear (and good on them) - but a well equipped survivor, that's unique.
Speaking of well equipped survivors, you've done very well with that Moose - want one myself, though didn't bid on this one. Looks like Redline Pro bars on there, as well as a very original set of Goose running gear.
Hey nice gear there Martin - they'll make stunning bikes I'm sure.
Feb 12 2007, 02:09 PM
Yeah, I wanted that Moose very badly indeed...lucky no-one else decided to bid more, that's all I can say.
Yes, I also had picked up the fact that it looks very original and that too was part of it's appeal to me.
You guys might not know it, but I am now a part owner of VMX Magazine, which is of course about Vintage MX and dirt bikes. So I get to see, photograph and interact with Vintage bikes of another form almost every day of the year. You do of course get a similar debate on authenticity going on in the motorcycle restorer circles.
I guess the really important thing if you are trying to create faithful restorations of old bikes (both motorcycle and BMX) is that the restoration should be "true to era", i.e. any NOS parts that are used must be those that were available BITD and were used on that particular model bike.
Of course, there's no law that restorations MUST be faithful to type, but in my view, the closer they are to a bike that was either a production model or maybe a replica of a factory riders bike makes them more desireable than a collection of NOS parts which construct a "bling" bike.
Feb 12 2007, 04:13 PM
You have done well with that Moose - good price too when a Moose F&F can go for $400 US...
I am sure you must have the September 80 BMXA with the Moose test in it - it is the same mag that has your 2 page article on BMX downunder...
Feb 12 2007, 08:18 PM
interesting views on survivor or rebuilding.
put a complete never been ridden rebuild next to a survivor with exactly the same components and i reckon the difference in cash changing hands would be quite substantial. but then the purpose of this hobby is not for financial gain but more for a fulfilment of something each and every one of us held dearly when we were in our youth. as Kurt said to me "we are more cashed up now" therefore we probably have more disposable income which may explain why we will want the best we can find. at the end of the day what is preferred, whether that be the old survivor or the beautiful to look at rebuild, means nothing as long as the interest remains in the greatest era of bmx......old school.
Feb 13 2007, 12:34 AM
Congrats on the Moose Ajay! I picked up the previous one on offer on ebay-great bike, very rideable-grab some repo stickers via ebay/vbmx, that'll bling it up for sure. Love to get hold of another but there's fetching big $$$$ nowdays.
Feb 13 2007, 12:39 AM
Thanks Bradster. I had intended to bid on the previous one but forgot to do so... I guess that's lucky for both of us!
We'll have to start a Moose club in OZ.
Feb 13 2007, 12:59 AM
Sweet Ajay-ok all you Aussie Moose owners-fess up, were are you all?
Feb 13 2007, 01:46 AM
...and I'd like to think of myself as a well looked after survivor...
Seriously though, they are all good and can all be collected for different reasons. Knowledge, patience, money and plenty of other factors all seem to be combined in most of our builds.
Feb 13 2007, 01:56 AM
1 Moose here. MicOz has 1 too.
Feb 13 2007, 02:01 AM
Nice moose Ajay. Mono time!
If it wasn't for my 2 survivors of mine, I'd have nothing much at all. I have a few things on the boil right now.
Oh and I had more money in 1980 than I do now. I wish I had the bills now that I did then.
Feb 13 2007, 02:08 AM
I have a moose, ride it all the time too. My f/f came from the US and I built it up with parts I had lying around.
Feb 13 2007, 03:00 AM
I nearly had a Moose for $100 but the seller screwed me over once he realised how much it was worth.
Feb 13 2007, 03:07 AM
Bwahahaha...More money then, than you do now...Glen, you sound like me!! LOL.
And a nice moose it is Reece.......
Moosegooses here http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimate...t=025231#000000 [ February 13, 2007, 04:14 AM: Message edited by: OldSkoolRoy ]
Feb 13 2007, 03:29 AM
Noticed the sky was a different colour to normal so I went outside and took this shot.
Feb 13 2007, 03:31 AM
Yeah, very interesting discussion on NOS vs Survivor. Personally, I dig a mix of both, the restoration process, that brings survivor parts back to near new condition by restoring old parts. Seeing your hard work unfold in front of you, whilst learning about the re-finishing processes, ie the anodising, chroming, powder coating, polishing, welding etc...
I think it is great to stand back and let the memories flood back with the thrill of cracking out a freshly finished shiny new(restored) ride...
I think that is the great thing about this sport/hobby is that it means different things to different people, which gives the diversity of the bikes/opinions that grace the pages of this forum...
Feb 13 2007, 03:35 AM
Not really a survivor. Although a chain and some tyres and you could have ridden this. Amazing what people throw away.
Feb 13 2007, 03:41 AM
Nice bikes luke!
Jarvi, is that a recent shot? Elliot looks to have formed a hump and a ducks tail
Feb 13 2007, 03:43 AM
Hey Luke, That premier looks pretty sweet. Thats another thing I like about this hobby/lifestyle. The low end bikes we grew up on mean something different to everyone. I have no idea where my first POS went but I wish I still had it.
I have a restoration dilema myself. I won the stickers I need to restore my old series one plate. Now do I replace the cruddy stickers on there with the new ones??
Feb 13 2007, 03:45 AM
Reece, thats not Elliot.........thats Waza and his posessed ET doll
Feb 13 2007, 03:46 AM
Unusual bike that Premier Luke - never seen one before. That Maxi is funny - Malvern Star seemed to find the Supermax and Maxi stickers interchangeable - seen the old 5 hole gusseted and lugged frames sold as both - and the lugged frame like that sold as both too???
Hey Jarvi - LOL - I missed the bike first time I looked at that pic. Must be flying from Adelaide to the USA...
Feb 13 2007, 03:47 AM
Reece, I smudged a bit much and couldn't be bothered doing it again. Well spotted.
Glenn, number plates are one thing I don't think should ever be touched. Leave 'em as they are. I only wish I still have my Series 1s, Type 2 and the rest. Ahhh hindsight.
Feb 13 2007, 03:53 AM
No way Glen - you couldn't pull those stickers off man - think how many places they've been and jumps they've done! God I wish I still had my old white on white first gen Series One!!! Turdy I sold my DB to ditched it in the ten years it took me to buy it back....
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