Originally thought to be a Free Agent, BADD, CW, and many others....

Check out the semblance to a Bracken's, anyone else think this could be one? It would be an early Brackens before the gussets on the BB.

Mine:


Here's one to compare it to:


Mine:


Brackens:


Mine:


Brackens:


What do you think?

[ June 15, 2006, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: Ndprts4hro ]

serial number?

If I remember, a Brackens I owned had a serial number

Looks like on to me. The only thing I see from th pics is, the top tube seem to be a little further down on the head tube on the brackens, but that could just be the angle of the photos being different.

Good call on the headtube leanth. They are different, and its not in the photos .

Headtube gusset doesn't even look the same..

can't help ID your frame, but as far as Brackens is concerned, they used a bunch of different manufacturers and had as many variations over the years.

It IS a Badd and co cruiser.
~nuf said~

jack

What about it looks like it could be a BADD? A few people have said this already, but no one has any proof to stake that claim. (pics, etc).... That's why, because of the pics, I think it's extremely close to, if not actually a Brackens.

I thought BADD dropouts looked like this:



or this:

The brackens forks have dropouts like an early ghp or star prod. From what I know about brackens they came out when bikes started to gain some weight (thicker walled head tube and bb shell) and the cruiser has internally machined bb and head tube. It is pretty light so my guess is that it is a bit before brackens came out.

Better pics... You'll notice that the bottom of the headtube is flush with the bottom of the gusset. Never seen that before.

I thought the Brackens trademark was the chain stays welded high on the BB tube with gussets welded under the stays?????? The neither the decaled or decal-less frame have this???

Greg, you're right, however the pre-87 Brackens (I think) didn't have that....

This is what you're talking about:

Thanx, I learned something here today!!!!

Hmmm. I let you know what I find when I get home after work. I might have a match with the better pictures.

Thanks leadsled! That would be MUCH appreciated.

Nope, I was wrong. The mystery continues............

AHHHHHHHhhhhhh maaaaaaaannnnn.....

Oh well. Some other guy thinks it could be a Brackens with a Revcore fork. Apparently Brackens and CW/Revcore had the same fabricator? Or were made at the same place? Something like that.... does anyone know the history of Revcore? There are a few similarities to Revcore besides the doubled-up tubing on the seat mast.

I'm 90% sure it's a Brackens.... someone said the headtube length/height on the frame is different than a Brackens. True, but I figure this could just be one of those manufacturing differences. It's pretty common, you see all kinds of wacky Hutch manufacturing oddities.

Check out this site for information and pics about CW/Revcore

http://www.cwracing.co.uk/

B&E made White Bear (which I thought it was), S&M, the first Supercross frames and Brackens.

[ June 16, 2006, 07:15 AM: Message edited by: LeadSled1 ]

Didn't Brackens have a Gussett behind the bottom bracket to the chainstay, like from the headtube to the downtube?

like this one. I know it's a cruiser, but I think the 20's had them too.
brackens

[ June 16, 2006, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: Kastanman ]

The gusset is bigger than a cw or a revcore, the bb and headtube are much too thin to be a brackens and the dropouts on the fork extend way too far up the fork leg to be any of those brands. I can't tell you what it is but I know it's not one of those three.

I was just checking out a post in the vintage section and noticed the dropouts are identical to maximum. Take a look at the maximum thread, first picture.

Pete,
The frame you have IS a Badd and Company cruiser, the dimensions on their frames did not change.All Badd and Co. cruisers had the lower bottom bracket.
They only changed the look of the rear drop out abit and the front gusset was either deleted or added (depending on year)

Not to be cornfused with the newer BADD frames.
Jack

Oh, and also the size of the gusset was dependant on year.

Regardless of what frame this is, the early Brackens rarely were ever built the same. Some had different drop outs, forks in the same run etc. Also the early Brackens did not have the bb/chainstay gusset. My First gen Pro long has a flared head tube and forks with Redline type drop outs, some have cw type drop outs. If you ever get time find a copy of BMXA with the Brackens ad with Kevin Hull's ride. His had Kuwahara'ish rear drop outs and a totally different fork, tange like. There was no consistency in the early production F/F.

[ September 08, 2006, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: Spur ]

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the early Brackens rarely were ever built the same. Some had different drop outs, forks in the same run etc.

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That would explain the forks and hoe the headtube gusset lines up with the headtube.

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Some had different drop outs, forks in the same run etc. Also the early Brackens did not have the bb/chainstay gusset.

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Exactly, and that's why I think it's an early Bracken's over anything else....

Look at the pics here:

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/brackens/17

Unless someone can show me pictures of another manufacturers frame/fork set that looks just like this frame.... I'm still going to think it's a Brackens.

Here's Kevin Hull's Bracken's:

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/brackens/94