LOL! Speaking of, did Moe bend the weiner last night when he did the graceful tumble or was he the over all Weiner? I walk in, First thing I see is Moe eat'n dirt. Been there mate, hence my sideline action ( nill).

In a desperate google image search to to find a bent weenie, I did come across a rather COOL looking appliance!

Brad what the hellll is this Mate crap? You moving on us and preparing? Stick to the sloooow talk

double post...

Oh and yes, I am moving.

I just posted this today at our site.............................

http://www.utahbmx.com/bnd/2002grandsproopenmaincrash.wmv

Go ahead KOP, stick with your open face helmet bro. You must have a killer dental plan!

b.

Carlson's another possible Dental donor... BND, you know him right?

BND our Minnesota west Brutha, coming through in to save KOP's face!

KOP----Take some notes here, cuz you are gonna not only end up with 50 lashes, no teeth and a bent weenie with that post

Count me in on support for the full-face. I'd wear one even if it wasn't the rule.
I like my teeth.
-Bill

I would also recommend chatting with Jay Wendt if you have any doubts about the usefulness of a full-face helmet.
-Bill

I agree with ya. My only gripe is the vision loss and I think they could improve on it. I like the clear front/face guard idea. With the technology today I'm suprised its not already an option..

Shut the Hellllll up Brad. Get that hang nail fixed and show up the 4th

Bill, spread that safety love to others. Besides, I don't think KOPee realizes what a cool helmet you have. SOOO many more places to put stickers!

I won't be healed, but you can be sure I'll direct the others for laps 2 and 3. Besides last years Winner is automatically non-eligible from competing from this years event. heehee.

Boom a little controversy.. And bent weiners..I was kind of surprised NOBODY sides with me.. I agree they are more safe and all that.. I just don't like them.. That's about it I guess..

The only thing I disagree with is the.. I don't do alot of riding.. Hmmmm... I'm actually thinking about cutting back... this year.. Just because I dont' make it to the barn, dosen't mean I don't ride.. For one thing, I don't have the money to drive up and race... So, Hopefully that will change,, someday..


Man, this is the third time I edited this message.. I dont think I do alot of posting either.. hmm,

Wow was that one heck of a crash.

If you look at the sidelines there is a guy with a VBMX jersey on, isn't that the guy that used to post under Joe Dirt?

Woah, I completely missed this discussion! Wow, talk about unique. I knew that ABM had pioneered the adjustable headtube on their earliest MTB's, but that top tube(s) design is really cool, wow!

Humidity saC and I went to SCSU in the late 80's and he worked for American (I think he was the one who actually sold the Beryllium MTB bike), but he never mentioned anything about this. I'll try to get him to post here to see if he knows anything.

WHOA! Now those are REALLY RARE! There is probably about 10-15 of those ever made! And I know there were less than 200 of the BMX race frames ever made. That is amazing that you have one!

Here's my background at ABM: I initially worked for the local bike shop Granite City Schwinn from 1988 - 1992. During that time, the guys at ABM had me build all of their show bikes for Interbike. I Handbuilt all the wheels, and then did a "pro build" on all the completes, etc. After a while of us selling their bikes like the Breezer, Mtn Tandem and the Comp Lite, we (shop) became a little more involved with the company from a design standpoint. I wanted a frame that had a longer top tube than the Comp Lite (their best seller). I had a one-off made for me and it was called the Grande Comp. I still have it in my collection to this day. The guys at ABM saw a market for the bike and went in production on it, but they changed the name of it to ELF. That stood for EXTRA LONG FRONT. Basically a 1" longer top tube with Comp Lite geometry.

One of my good friends was an Engineering student at SCSU while I was there and he worked at ABM as an on-site engineer. Funny to hear I know -but you'd be surprised at how many small bike manufacturers that have NO engineers on staff. So this guy had the idea of doing the Beryllium bike in 1991. I officially started working for ABM in 1991 while still working for the shop too. I was a sales person for them at Interbike that year and yes, was heavily involved with the sale of this historic bike. We sold it to an Arab for $26,000 cash!!! It was an 11 lb Mtn Hardtail for those that have never heard of this bike.

Anyway, back to the BMX stuff. As you know, the headtube angle was adjustable on all these bikes. A good marketing tool, but it worked - not that you needed to change your headtube angle a lot, but it was nice that you had the option (or so we said).

The freestyle frame was more of an experiment than an actual production piece. The owner gave up on the whole BMX/Freestyle part of the business in about 1989 and there was a pile of the race frames sitting in the back room of the "factory" (going nowhere) collecting dust. A lot of the race frames were annodized too. I can only remember one of the freestyle frames that I saw back then and it was the owner's son's so I never had a chance to ride or own one.

It is truly a piece of St. Cloud history.

saC

Who's #148 in the pic?? Looks really familiar...


Full face helmet deal: Ya gots the I can't see through the mouth piece to the don't likes to the...

If you spend a little money on a Motocross helmet, it's worth it. Visor moves up a good deal. When you crash, it will save your "grill". Chics dig it. (This is where MC finds F'd up face with no chiclets pic..)

[quote name='Heir Vendt' date='Dec 17 2007, 01:04 PM' post='474230']
Who's #148 in the pic?? Looks really familiar...

I think he was from Roch. or somewhere in SE MN. Not sure about the name though. Nice standard GT frame.

# 148, that is Mark McCalister... He lived in Rochester. ANybobdy rememeber him?

Sounds like some interesting racing Saturday night. Nice to hear you're back on the track Gary. Was Moe on his new killer ride?

Since the barn is closed for the holidays, I'll have to put the snow tires on and do some road work before the Condo.

I certainly do remember Mr.McCalister. Good memory! I was stumped, but I do remember him as a Roch. guy. There are allot Roch riders not accounted for. It would be cool if they joined in.




Yup, Moe had the new ride roll'n. nice arched Top tube. Its style'ish.

I stole this off the cafe... pretty funny.

this sport looks like fun to me. Kinda half MTB, half BMX.... a little more OS style obsticals too.

http://break.com/index/bike-finishes-race-without-rider.html

Some other wild video's on there too.

Also, check out this dude who ride the railing on his stomach... This guys are pretty stoke also..
http://www.break.com/index/curve_of_death.html

Even cooler yet..... http://www.break.com/index/jumping_the_peloton.html

I saw that, LMAO!! Isn't that insane? I would have been better if he rode off into the sunset..

jerry, repost the other gamehaven pic you posted awhile ago. that one was mcalister for sure.
i commented on it but it died. anyhoo this pic is def. early 83 . i will have to dig up the yearend point issue of the aba paper.
in 1984 mcalister went to the grands with fritzmeier, ryan benning and myself. benning got third in 16 novice on a pk.
his bike and himself looked nothing like that in 84.

i went back , you posted it on 11-02, post #508 on page 26.
the pic is gone now. it had conway also.

Brad - what happened to your plan? I was just checking out the ABA site and noticed you slipped a spot to Dave Christensen. I guess you'll have to break out the duct tape and tape that "bad" hand to the bars for the Condo.

Haaahaa... Well, that's what happens when ya can't race.

I won't be racing the Condo Classic, but have fun. I'll take video or something. I'm just going to hang out and look at bikes and chat with folks.

Condo Classic Information

When - January 4th
Where – Rehbein’s Indoor BMX Arena
Time – Signup 6-7pm
Entry - $16.00 (50% to Rehbein’s - 50% to Rehbein’s Girls Racer fund)
With entry you get a old school MN sticker sheet and one free photo file sent by email from 2007 season or this seasons Rehbein’s events
Awards – All who make the Mains

Age Groups /Classes
26 -38
39 – 49
50+ (needs to be 3 or more, if not they will run the class below)
Women’s 26+

Moto’s are to be run between Rehbein’s regular open practice)
If there is 3 or more, riders they well be put in a separate class

Rehbein’s Girls Racer Fund
50% of Condo Old Schooler entry will be split up between any female of any age that signs up to race during the January 5th or 6th. Credit for one class only well be given during that weekend. Girls who earned this credit well be given a voucher to use during the 2008 spring Rehbein’s indoor season. Purpose of this is to help boost the girls/women’s class interest

Entry Breakdown (Example Only):
- 10 old schooler’s sign up $160.00
- $80.00 goes to Rehbein’s
- $80.00 to the girls Rehbein’s Girls Racer fund

Girls Fund (Example Only) - based on above Condo Classic Signup example
- 10 Girls signup during the weekend
- $8.00 credit for girls each entry for the weekend to be used at future Rehbein’s events

Sign Up Information: (guidelines are set by Rehbein’s)
-If you have NOT had an ABA membership in the last 10 years, you can signup for a 1 day trial membership Cost $1.00

-If you have had an ABA membership within the last 10 years, and do not have a current one you need to signup for a FULL ABA membership

Anyone is welcome who falls into the age groups above. You do not need to be from Minnesota, or an old school racer.

Please contact me with any questions mark@minnesotabmx.com

The Niffty die-cut sticker sheet for all who enter:



Since all four of the original Tremco-Rondo boys have confirmed being there, we'll have to redo a newer version, since none of them have changed in all this time



I also have the banner that goes in the background Oh' and I believe that is GeneO in the background, and heard he is possibly coming, so we'll find a spot behind this restaged photo shoot. To bad we can't find Tim Krone to get in the picture too!



Oh, this should be a GREAT TIME!!!!

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went and dug up the yearend mags for 82 and 83.
should have known better than to doubt the mighty KOP. 148 for 83 was mcallister.
pipe you had me beat my one number , i was 135 for 83, however my points in mn-2 would have put me 103.
if anyone needs to id pics i can help out if you can read the numbers.

Is the special guest in the Tremco photo in a Tremco uni ?

The Barn Crusher- that is killer Mark!!!
Are those Condo banners for sale?

I say we try and plan a Condo Classic practice night next week some time and open up the barn. There was some talk about having a practice night if anyone is interested.

Russ, it was great talkin with you on the phone. Sorry you talked so much that my cordless phone battery died. (JK) I know that Kraker and I are talking pretty seriously about hitting the Corn Husker National in Nebraska at the end of FEB beginning of MARCH. It would be great to have another to split the costs.

I'm with you on this KoP. I don't like the full face either. I raced with an open faced Echo helmet all through the mid 80s and never lost any teeth. I had a mouthguard but rarely used it.

To the people saying they like the full face rule, does it take the rule to make you wear the full face helmet? It's a preference thing and the rider should be able to choose what he wants to use. What's next? Requiring riders to wear shoulder/chest protectors? Nascar helmet straps? Pillsbury doughboy suits?

The tracks these days are far more safer than they used to be and heck, the track was usually the safest place we rode back then. The hills and ravines behind the Kmarts that we turned into jumps were far more dangerous and helmets were never used.

The full face helmet rule is just more of the sissyfication that has taken over this and all sports these days. :sigh:

I think we have a match...

To help people understand a little more as to why Rehbein's has this rule, which I am sure it is to mostly keep kids safer. BUT, this place is very tight racing. The outside gate puts you right on the wall, and the last straight through the whoops also puts you in the same spot. I've seen kids go right over the wall into the crowd.





Yes it should be a choice to some extent, but they are also protecting there own liabilities as well

Easy now!!!!

Guess I never thought about it

Smitty (Paul) www.retrobmx.com is now an official sponsor of the Condo Classic! Thanks Paul!

I took these pics in Sept. here in SLC during the Dew Tour. Funny thing, I didn't see one person wearing an open face/mouth guard.

Anybody here know or knew a Jerry Kueal (s/p) SoCal Nag racer in 80's & 90's? About 4 years ago while still sporting his old open face took a nasty digger & was jacked up for life. He's not racing anymore & from all the reports I was told, his helmet probebly was the culprit. Another example of people not taking advantage of newer technology is Dale Sr. He refused to wear the Hans device which by alot of expert accounts, probebly would of saved his life.
Fly racing helmets full face is snug right up to your chin so the lack of vision is no excuse.

One more thing, the tracks are WAY KNARLIER than the old "one jump per straight" 80's tracks, gimmie a break!

b.

Big props to Smitty, way to step up for the cause!

Finally, some reasoning here. That's all i'm saying.. I don't like them, i'll wear it if I HAVE to. It's not like i'm riding some 12 foot high halfpipe getting 12 feet of air.. I'm just going over bumps. I understand everybody likes they're teeth and stuff. But I never wore a full face except that one time I was there, and it was so weird. You guys that use them, that's smart.. of course. I'm not that smart, and I just wish I could still use the one, i'm been using 20 years.. Just wish it was a choice like it is, at every other track in MN... So props to the full face...

Jerry/KOP/PIPE - You are fast, have skills and are an "old school racer"(I seen it this summer)...suck up the pride and change with the times...and enjoy different sides of the sport, "if it's what you believe in"... do what you are wanting to do and stay with what you want to do best, but please DO NOT basterdize what the rest of the community enjoy's here on this thread (that you started). Stay real...and support what you believe in. Yes, I have not followed this in the past, but I am understanding the "big picture" more everyday...slowly.

Well said Mark and there certainly is a big picture and I've turned on certain things too.

I don't see what the fuss is really. Full faced Bell Moto III's have been around since 1979, so its not surpise that there available for a reason. Remember the big Premier bmx full faced helmet craze??? Everyone had one. The Rondo team had them, etc, so its not a new thing at all. I had a Bell moto III back in 1980 and I hated it, so I was then given a Bell RT (From Rydjor bike shop) in place of it and the open face felt right. Today, I wouldn't recomend an open faced, but to each there own.

Its all good, know lets F'n move on.