Hacksaw , you need to come out and show the new b's what racing is all about !!!

but im not sure it's just the new b's , how about OSer SS , how he took out hacksaw and made him retire from BMX.

and brad , hacksaw looking 4 u !!!

Anyone going to Isanti tonight ??? Looking 2 get out on the track.

I sure wish I could. I love that place!

Since the Summer is sadly coming to an end, is there any opening dates for the barn yet?? Looking forward to riding there again. It'll be intersting to see what DUG has done.

The entire group at Rum River is glad to hear you love the track... we work as hard as we can with the time we have to run a fun and exciting program. Just don't forget we are open and running into October! In Sept. we add our Saturday race back on to the schedule so there is another option for you guys to come and check it out! We run into October so there is still plenty of time to take part in the fun and excitement!

Thanks again,

Track daddy!

What's Lance looking at? The line he needs to take, or the front rider's ribs?

Its a mind game... He wants the first place rider to think he's going to come together with him and its his way of hopefully forcing him to not focus on his line and move up higher so he can over take.... Hog wash! Boecker would hold his elbows out so this wouldn't happen.

So why doesn't Lance visit us here?

Only in his mind I guess, the rider in front can't see him...

Boke's - Who is the hacksaw? And OS SS? me? So cryptic, I'm up for racing this weekend. New Ulm?

This Weekend Racing:
Friday Single Pts at Kato and....

FARIBAULT BMX Earned Double 8/16/2008

Buffalo Creek BMX SQ 8/16/08

Mankato Area BMX RCQ 8/17/2008

Thanks Mark - I'd be up for any one of these. Does anyone have plans to go to any of these?

Kraker is working out details as to what he is going to.

Brads not, as he is pushing the baby stroller around the block.

I'm sure Lance will be there

Springer, No. He's going on an all girls weekend

I'm going to Faribault & Glencoe Saturday only

Not sure if DC is back by then

He did give me a pretty good shot in the ribs in that corner. The barn is one place where you need to expect some contact because it is so tight. This was the first state qualifier Lance & I raced. He said he tried to give me a good shot in that corner afterwards.

I like Lance and we have fun racing each other. He's a very competitive guy and he's having a great year too. The finals in St. Cloud are going to be fun.


Shawn - the Hacksaw is none other than Mr. Boecker. I'm not sure on the "OS SS".

I think I'm racing the two on Saturday at this point. I may squeeze in the Friday night race too.

I guess I disagree - we debate this at bikeball all the time as well, "what's acceptable level of contact". What's malicious and what's inevitable.

But, I'll revert to the rulebook on this - "Foul - any flagrant or malicious move during competition resulting in a disqualification". That's a bit ambiguous, there really aren't any written rules as to what constitutes a foul, other than impeding a rider in the first 30 feet or the last straight-away. But I think the spirit is there for officials to interpret as necessary.

I'd argue that some contact is inevitable, the "rubbing is racing" issue holds true in my book - those things are going to happen. "Malicious" and "Flagrant" seem to be the key words, if you come up behind me, get under me and flick an elbow or take out my front wheel to toss me off my line, over the berm, on my head - that's malicious. Some bumping and rubbing is fine, but full hard contact that endangers - that's just not right. Man, if I tossed someone down and they got a concussion or broke some bones - I couldn't live with myself. It's just not that important, at least not to me.

I quit racing in 2001 for the same reasons, Doug and Scott were taking things to a pretty heated level and I really didn't want to be the sandwich anymore. It's an escalating mentality, as bnd has stated - "you just come back the next race & get over on the guy that got over on you originally". That's called "Revenge", I'm not a religious person - but it's one of the seven deadly sins after all.

That's a lame attitude IMHO, one we don't need to stay healthy and have fun. So, yea - go right ahead if that's the way you want to ride. I'll just back off and race again another day, no sweat, I've got nothing to prove that I didn't already dole out 25 years ago.

Friday - single points race in Mankato, turnout? Fair To Low Turnout

Saturday (day race) - Double points in Faribault, I would expect a decent turnout for this one. Fair to High Turnout

Saturday (night race) - Double points State Qualifier at the new Glencoe (Buffalo Creek) track - last state qualifier should bring in the crowd Great Turnout

Sunday - triple points Redline Cup qualifier - should be an old school cruiser class Fair To Low Turnout

Thats my guess

Why would you "try to give someone a shot"? I guess I march a bit different, I would have concentrated on turning my wheel in sharper to get under you, not turn up into you to intentionally slow you down. That's a cheap shot no matter how you package it.

Anyway, done beating that horse - just pisses me off I guess. Too many of you guys have gotten hurt over the last year, and I just don't want to see any more of it. We're too old for that shizzle. I just want to have some fun and not worry about the loose cannons.

Speaking of too old, I'm out of shape - so two races in one day won't do. Looks like I should shoot for the SCQ at Glencoe.

I haven't been to this track yet, but it should be a great place to race. DC could fill us in.

This is exactly my point Shawn. I'm tired of seeing guys become victim to BMX. Were grown men here, and if certain folk want to be that competitve, so be it, but its not my style to run someone off the track or rib someone. I figure if I'm getting beat, first off its my fault and its up to me to ride my way into the next position, not force someone to give it up.
Giving someone "a shot" only increases taking yourself out to boot. Don't get me wrong when the gate drops all bets are off and I try hard, then I realize my position and race accordingly. I give it 150% at the start hopefully to get out front and limit an incidents, its a strategy but it makes sense... LMAO. Okay, anyway....

Well most of us are, Lil' feller

Oh the goat roper speaks!

Okay, some of us aren't so adult at times.... I'm guilty!

I think the only race i'm going to hit this weekend is Mankato sunday... That should be some good veiwing there. I haven't been to a triple point race in 25 years.. I may not race, due to financial reasons, but i'm still going to watch...

Well, if you would have only signed the Factory Team ATR contract that I sent you, you wouldn't be having this problem

Why would a triple point race be low attendance? I can't believe teh low attendance these days. Man I remember 10-12 motos of my class (BITD)

It's only point chaser's and people going to the Redline Cup. New racers and local racers won't pay $30.00 to race. People are trying to save and be able to race more. That's 3 races for the one price of a RCQ entry

Quote -

as bnd has stated - "you just come back the next race & get over on the guy that got over on you originally". That's called "Revenge", I'm not a religious person - but it's one of the seven deadly sins after all.

That's a lame attitude IMHO, one we don't need to stay healthy and have fun. So, yea - go right ahead if that's the way you want to ride. I'll just back off and race again another day, no sweat, I've got nothing to prove that I didn't already dole out 25 years ago.


I think your taking my comment a bit too far as the internets is a pretty impersonal place. I would never take out anybody for "revenge". I believe in getting over on your comp fair a square for sure. I also couldn't live with myself if I hurt somebody & meant it. Beating a aggressive rider straight up is alot more fun because Mr. Aggro is usually pretty bent about losing in the first place. I still don't have a problem with contact though & anything short of a blantent t-bone is expected in BMX racing. I HATE it when newer riders (I've had this happen to me) chew me out because we touched elbows or I took his line out of a corner(!)
Iv'e watched the vids of your guys indoor races & I'm surprised that there hasn't been any whining because the racing is so tight. I see take outs & ALOT of contact at our indoors & have seen a few people get out of hand.

b.

This year is going to WAY different. The Barn has been a cage match (gossip, backstabbing, rumors, talkin' smack....) on the outside of the track each winter I have been around, and from what I have heard, even before that.

So, you add that stuff to how competitive MNBMX has been this outdoor season... It's not going to be pretty at all inside the track this year. I'm already looking forward to the next outdoor season

Since the one track in IA got flooded this year, there are people from down there that might show in Mankato to get a Redline Cup Q race in. I suspect we wont get the crowd we did for the SQ race. I think it will be about 100 riders vs. the 203. I think it is just too close to the state race, and people are saving thier dough for the end of the month. If it were earlier in the season, the turnout would be better.

With all this talk about elbows, putting people in the boards, makes me want to go out and rent the movie Slapshop.

I can only picture the conversation at the next SQ.
Mark "what are you guys doing?"
Team ATR "Puttin on the foil coach!"

Those guys have way more hair then the ATR Squad

There are many reasons I didn't sign the ATR contract.. You guys wanted me to become new school. I refuse to get a uniform, full face helmet, and 3 piece cranks. ATR is not old school enough.
Or you refused to reimburse me for them.

Funny KOP (where are the Bill Walters leathers Mark)?

I'm not sure I should offer - considering how much shizzle everyone gives you around here - but I'll probably be rolling to Glencoe solo if I go, you looking for a ride? I'm sure Stukel will be there too - he lives near Mound.

bnd - I hear ya. Don't take my "deadly sin" reference too seriously. Didn't mean it that way. Keeping it square - I won't throw the first punch, but I'll throw the last.

What you're saying about vids from the Condo and such, even more important at the Barn to keep it clean for safety if nothing else - I've watched bones breaking from mid-air at that place. I won't race there - 'cept of course the Condo (which this year will be at the River Center).

I'm always thinking safety first at the Barn, in the vid of the Condo main you'll notice that "Hacksaw" and I never touch. I was carving inside to keep from crashing everyone, as I had been squeezed over the triple and was tipped deep inside. I actually moved over to leave Scott the room he needed - but he took the bail out (as I looked back to make sure he was OK).

It was good riding on both our parts, if we had been riding together more often I think he would have known that I wasn't going to make contact, and that I'd leave him room on the jump - and we would have been scrapping it down the second straight.

Justin - love the photo (Paul, Dave, Scott?).

Hey kids,

The Faction is going to be getting together to watch the Olympic BMX coverage on Wed Aug 20th.
Details can be found here, will be a righteous time.

Hope to see you there,
Mikko

[quote name='Shawn Sheely MN-1' date='Aug 13 2008, 04:21 AM' post='588684']

bnd - I hear ya. Don't take my "deadly sin" reference too seriously. Didn't mean it that way. Keeping it square - I won't throw the first punch, but I'll throw the last.

/quote]

I don't mean to beat a dead horse either but you just contridicted(s/p) yourself. I didn't take that deadly sin ref seriously either. You know what all your guys problem is? Your all just TOO DAMN NICE. Maybe that's why I need to join the ATR crew because to know me is to love me, right Mark?

All you slappys take care now.

b.

Are you sitting at the table nekkid again eating cornflakes?

Very funny Justin.

Oh, I'm not so nice. But I'll slide it out before pop a guy in the ribs to knock him off the track - not because I'm nice, but because I know I'm better than that - and if I were riding better - I'd deserve to be in front.

I don't believe I contradicted myself - I said "I won't throw the first punch, but I'll throw the last" - meaning attack me at you'll get an equal and swift defense to your actions and that will be it, not "I'll get even with you next moto". There's no tit-for-tat, it's the difference between an offensive move and defensive response.

Back to my cornflakes - with nuts.

Umm...Can you actually say "tat" on here?

Why? Is there gonna be freestyle in it to? I must have missed that annoncement

Springer would be the one with the smile.

You grumpy fugger, you know there isn't freestyle at the Olympics this year.
Show up anyway.

EXCELLENT Photoshopping!

I am aware, I was just trying to figure out what your interest was?

I'm busy that night. The place I get my nails and hair done at (same as Brad) has a big screen in front of the hair dryer

We'll see ya Wed!

Real nice Conley.
You know there are a lot of us that are fans of BMX.
ALL of BMX - not just your narrow view of what a 50-year old goat thinks it should be.
-Bill

Did you two get up and dress the same this morning?

I didn't catch that. Good one.

Mr. Bill, that was not directed towards you. I know your involvement in the sport

Save the drama for your mama.

That's besides the point Mark. It's one of my biggest pet peeves. The whole idea that only racing is BMX. BMX has grown to the point that it's become a term that encompasses racing, dirt jumping, street riding, ramp riding, and flatland.
If anything, the term "Freestyle" has become outdated. Freestyle WHAT?
People like Mike & I simply call ourselves BMXers because that's what we are.
Your initial question to Mike makes no sense to me at all. I find it so ridiculous that I HAVE to question your motives for even asking it.
What's your interest? It's BMX! In the Olympics! It's what each and everyone of us hoped to see someday regardless of wether we reached for BMX Action or Freestylin first.
-Bill

Again, to be clear - I have no issue with you Mark. I always enjoy chatting with you at the track. It's just the whole definition of BMX thing that bugs me.

For some reason the smiley guy looks just like Christensen...

No problem here. I wasn't comparing though. Just razzing Mr. Fraction was all.

-Grumpy Fugg Out!-

Frigging tit pullin' Conley!
You really should be there. As well as the rest of you chaps, this is history!