Here's the deal:
VintageBMX.com is Bill's house. He owns it. We need to respect it when we visit it. It really is that simple.
Someone was using Bill's house as a platform for their own agenda. Bill tolerated it for quite some time. This was not a one time thing.
It has nothing to do with what I posted. And, like all of you, I simply posted an opinion.
You want to hate me for having an opinion? Be my guest. You want to hate Bill for exercising his authority? He has already stated, "no problem".
When the "icons" started to blame me and attack my character in the aftermath, I simply ignored them.
You want to ask me something? You know how to reach me.
I do suggest you learn more facts before you start throwing stones or taking your ball and walking home.
Enjoy your day folks.
Full Version: Here's The Deal...........
Ken,
There are many of us that agree with you.
There are many of us that agree with you.
ken , i dont know who said what or even what you are referring to , but whatever it is, i am standing right beside you and bill with my big stick !
Ken I do hope you understand I am not against you, I am against the harsh measures being taken. I hav no beef with you.
I take no sides. Ken and Bill and I have been friends for years. It is Bill's house. His rules.
I also value the new friendships established recently. I do think everyone should cool down and gain perspective.
We all have more important stuff to be upset about. I mean I actually put on black sox with a blue suit as I left for the airport at 5:30am...
I also value the new friendships established recently. I do think everyone should cool down and gain perspective.
We all have more important stuff to be upset about. I mean I actually put on black sox with a blue suit as I left for the airport at 5:30am...
Ouch Ben, you poor thing. lol
Here's an opinion:
What a load of crap...
What a load of crap...
Greg im with ya. But im not allowed to say anything apparently.
Everyone has an agenda , be it petty ***** slaps & reasonably priced shots at someone who's dictitorial ways just rubs them the wrong way on this board.
I have no idea of what this beef is over , involving the "heavy hitters" or players behind the scenes here , but it obviously isn't about personality clashes & taste in VBMX bicycle brands.
I'll take a wild guess & say that MONEY was somehow involved in this problem.....
Perhaps an open letter from each party involved stating their case might help clear the air & resolve your differences , or , is this "problem" a hush hush behind closed doors thing ?
Maybe things have gotten shakey of late between certain people , but is this rift any worse than the "rolling anarchy" of the early days of BMX ?
Seems that most of you have all been thu 20 to 30 years of running your own business's as well as living the life & sharing the passion of the BMX lifestyle that bought us all together in the first place ?
Might not be theright time for jokes or awkward questions......
Ken are you making puns about houses because you are in real estate ? or is that an indication of the money involved in this problem ?
JB
I have no idea of what this beef is over , involving the "heavy hitters" or players behind the scenes here , but it obviously isn't about personality clashes & taste in VBMX bicycle brands.
I'll take a wild guess & say that MONEY was somehow involved in this problem.....
Perhaps an open letter from each party involved stating their case might help clear the air & resolve your differences , or , is this "problem" a hush hush behind closed doors thing ?
Maybe things have gotten shakey of late between certain people , but is this rift any worse than the "rolling anarchy" of the early days of BMX ?
Seems that most of you have all been thu 20 to 30 years of running your own business's as well as living the life & sharing the passion of the BMX lifestyle that bought us all together in the first place ?
Might not be theright time for jokes or awkward questions......
Ken are you making puns about houses because you are in real estate ? or is that an indication of the money involved in this problem ?
JB
Let me guess Clips vs. Flats?
I have zero idea what went on. It happened between Bill and a member. I am trying to get to the bottom of it,,,,,,,,
[ May 09, 2007, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: Northeast Legend ]
[ May 09, 2007, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: Northeast Legend ]
"I have zero idead what went on. It happened between Bill and a member. I am trying to get to the bottom of it,,,,,,,, "
Can we get some of that cool detective show music in the background?
Can we get some of that cool detective show music in the background?
Here's the deal..........can you guess who's car this is?
Pasco, 02'.
Pasco, 02'.
I don`t think money has anything to do with it. It got to the point where someone`s "OH YEAH???" was the loudest. We`ve all had our p*ssing matches on here. This one is just a little higher profile. I have no idea what the big schism was/is/could be, but it apparently went past the point of tolerance. I don`t even really care what it was about. I don`t know the people involved, never met a single one of them. I don`t want to come on here and read a bunch of drama. It`s all crap (yes, even the drama I participate in...pbthpbthpbth). I learned real early that things blow up quick around here. I think I had been a member for about a month and got attacked for defending clips...and I was still on flats myself.
We`re all grown here, you`d think we`d have learned not to be so trigger happy when something so small potatoes as petty words on an internet board rub us the wrong way (yes, I am guilty of it. Last time I did it, I asked to be removed as an active member).
I mean come on...VBMX is a great site, but we`re not changing the world here. This is BMX, not cancer research. And I have recently been awakened to the fact that some folks take all of this WAY too seriously. (get ready for a ranting monologue not aimed at any one individual) That makes it not fun, and when what you do makes this not fun for me...trails are free and I can still do a little flatland. And when all the d*ck kicking is over, and the callouts, and the attitudes subside, I personally will still find a way to have fun on a BMX bike, whether or not there is a bmx track anywhere to be found, or any internet.
"he who angers you, conquers you"
Best quote I`ve heard in a very long time. Here or elsewhere. It can be found in another recent thread. Thanks Brett.
We`re all grown here, you`d think we`d have learned not to be so trigger happy when something so small potatoes as petty words on an internet board rub us the wrong way (yes, I am guilty of it. Last time I did it, I asked to be removed as an active member).
I mean come on...VBMX is a great site, but we`re not changing the world here. This is BMX, not cancer research. And I have recently been awakened to the fact that some folks take all of this WAY too seriously. (get ready for a ranting monologue not aimed at any one individual) That makes it not fun, and when what you do makes this not fun for me...trails are free and I can still do a little flatland. And when all the d*ck kicking is over, and the callouts, and the attitudes subside, I personally will still find a way to have fun on a BMX bike, whether or not there is a bmx track anywhere to be found, or any internet.
"he who angers you, conquers you"
Best quote I`ve heard in a very long time. Here or elsewhere. It can be found in another recent thread. Thanks Brett.
So that's why Ken drives the old SUV to races now.
PS: I hope your legs getting better Ken. The Canadian races won't be the same without you this year.
PS: I hope your legs getting better Ken. The Canadian races won't be the same without you this year.
im saying 40 pages easy on this one. then the lock
im probably gonna get roasted for this but i laughed my butt off when i read kens post on the other topic of coarse i thought it was a joke or a hard rub then everything got all serious
come on guys we are all grown men
on this site i get lots of good information ive made lots of friends and had lots of fun
i sometimes stir the pot and sometimes my pot gets stirred but i dont take it personally think about this without this site most of us wouldnt even know each other
come on guys we are all grown men
on this site i get lots of good information ive made lots of friends and had lots of fun
i sometimes stir the pot and sometimes my pot gets stirred but i dont take it personally think about this without this site most of us wouldnt even know each other
40 pages? I'm puttin my 2 cent's in, well let me find it first, oh ya, my bike is way faster than yours!
I believe that Oz , aka the Wizard of BMXA aka Bob Ozbourne "has left the building" , although he is still a registered member here....
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimate...file;u=00004176
Oz or for that fact any of the "Members of the Board" are no longer mentioned on the newly revised home page introduction message.
http://www.vintagebmx.com/
It would be shame to lose the ocasional input that such a rich source of information & general public BMX icon has to offer from the board.
When I read the word "agenda" used in an explanation , titled "Here's the Deal......" it usually means large scale internal political turmoil or anarchy & more often than not , money is involved in it somewhere
Maybe I am reading too much , too early into something I only have dribs & drabs of intel about.
I personally feel that this is more than an arguemet over what sort of coating is on early DX pedals & what chemicals you can use to get it off.
JB
FWIW
I never got into or read the clips vs flats argument..
If you run flats you can always bail off the bike with ease. If you run clips , you get to go down with the ship for an ugly crash _until_ you learn & master the dark ninja art of rapid mid air declipping , bailing + using the stylish tuck & roll technique.
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimate...file;u=00004176
Oz or for that fact any of the "Members of the Board" are no longer mentioned on the newly revised home page introduction message.
http://www.vintagebmx.com/
It would be shame to lose the ocasional input that such a rich source of information & general public BMX icon has to offer from the board.
When I read the word "agenda" used in an explanation , titled "Here's the Deal......" it usually means large scale internal political turmoil or anarchy & more often than not , money is involved in it somewhere
Maybe I am reading too much , too early into something I only have dribs & drabs of intel about.
I personally feel that this is more than an arguemet over what sort of coating is on early DX pedals & what chemicals you can use to get it off.
JB
FWIW
I never got into or read the clips vs flats argument..
If you run flats you can always bail off the bike with ease. If you run clips , you get to go down with the ship for an ugly crash _until_ you learn & master the dark ninja art of rapid mid air declipping , bailing + using the stylish tuck & roll technique.
I dont care about this stuff...I'm still looking forward to Rockford.
No agenda boys and girls.
A certain old school pro came on here a few months back and every post of his was charged. It got to the point where I was getting emails and calls as to who did he think he was.
Then Ken snapped. I went in, read the thread and went I get involved, action is swift. I'm not of the soft touch school of messageboard management. You are adults and you acknowledeged a user policy when you joined. I broke out the easy button and "Poof", it happened.
A certain old school pro came on here a few months back and every post of his was charged. It got to the point where I was getting emails and calls as to who did he think he was.
Then Ken snapped. I went in, read the thread and went I get involved, action is swift. I'm not of the soft touch school of messageboard management. You are adults and you acknowledeged a user policy when you joined. I broke out the easy button and "Poof", it happened.
I just bagged me an owl...
quote:exactly tom. see you soon! i can't wait
I dont care about this stuff...I'm still looking forward to Rockford.
(NOTE: This is just my longtime, friendly nickname for Bill/Hal/Rick referencing the Security force behind the rap group Publuc Enemy. S1W stood for: "Security of the FIRST World")
quote:looking forward to talking about dusty old bikes!
I'm still looking forward to Rockford.
Well, I hope that all this blows over sooner rather that later. It will be a tremendous shame if all of our heros leave this site just because a few people got carried away. Being able to talk to everyone from BITD is just one of the many perks of being a part of the Vintage family.
"looking forward to talking about dusty old bikes! "
Damn it Tim. I told you that if you didn't start cleaning them and taking better care of them, I was gonna take them away from you.
Damn it Tim. I told you that if you didn't start cleaning them and taking better care of them, I was gonna take them away from you.
I want to see some sweet rattle can, overly decaled, factoryized bikes from Scott Towne. Yes, that is want I want to see at Rockford. Forget NOS. Give me saved from the trash, customized, wheelied (not manualled), 105 sweetness.
It was tough to see the clouds of smoke coming out of those threads and to see people signing off.
But there is no other site that had commanded my attention for this many years and the friends I have made through VBMX are incredible. And I am not even talking about all the MN guys I know because of this place. That is another thread in it's own.
ROCKFORD OR BUST BABY! Dusty bikes, high fives, laughs and maybe even a few tears... er, I mean beers.
But there is no other site that had commanded my attention for this many years and the friends I have made through VBMX are incredible. And I am not even talking about all the MN guys I know because of this place. That is another thread in it's own.
ROCKFORD OR BUST BABY! Dusty bikes, high fives, laughs and maybe even a few tears... er, I mean beers.
Did they have BMX in Minnesota? We should start a thread and see if anyone jumps in. I'm unsure if it'll stick.
Man things get serious fast around here. I'm goin to Rockford, I'm bringing the Rev. Lucky and I'm gonna be shakin hands and drinkin beer weather ya like it or not. See ya soon B!tches!
Ben, it is a little known fact that BMX started in MN.
A wise man once said there is no such thing as bad people. Just people that make bad decisions.
What it is that spurs people to make bad decisions is known only to the individual that makes them. Personally I reserve the right to make a bad decision at another time. (stay tuned) Well perhaps that is up to you, if I am making a bad decision, for you are the one that will make the decision, if I am making a mistake. The same way you did with Bill’s decision. Do I know what it is or was all about? Of course I don’t. What I do know is people. People just like you and me. Everyone means well in their own way. Just as I do by posting some words.
One thing that I have yet to se here on VBMX that is long over do is an apology from one member to another for something that they said in the past. As small as it may be from me to Ken P. Sorry if it offended you that I called you “Ranger Ken†in reference to what I thought was you sticking your nose somewhere that it did not belong. As well sorry if it bothered you me mentioning my not so acceptable way of life as a youth. When you are too young to work and have no money then you do what you need to do to eat. You could say that I should have kept my mouth shut. Do you know what I am speaking about Ken? I don’t know, only you do. All I can do is to try to say to all that I personally feel that individuals actions can be interpreted in many different ways. I hope that my words and actions here help to heal things so that we can all get back to VBMX.
Oh my agenda? It was to make some friends, turns out that I have learned something as well.
The same wise man said there is something to be learned by everything and everyone in life.
Ok, so who want’s to buy my perfect condition Floval flyer??? Ziggy
What it is that spurs people to make bad decisions is known only to the individual that makes them. Personally I reserve the right to make a bad decision at another time. (stay tuned) Well perhaps that is up to you, if I am making a bad decision, for you are the one that will make the decision, if I am making a mistake. The same way you did with Bill’s decision. Do I know what it is or was all about? Of course I don’t. What I do know is people. People just like you and me. Everyone means well in their own way. Just as I do by posting some words.
One thing that I have yet to se here on VBMX that is long over do is an apology from one member to another for something that they said in the past. As small as it may be from me to Ken P. Sorry if it offended you that I called you “Ranger Ken†in reference to what I thought was you sticking your nose somewhere that it did not belong. As well sorry if it bothered you me mentioning my not so acceptable way of life as a youth. When you are too young to work and have no money then you do what you need to do to eat. You could say that I should have kept my mouth shut. Do you know what I am speaking about Ken? I don’t know, only you do. All I can do is to try to say to all that I personally feel that individuals actions can be interpreted in many different ways. I hope that my words and actions here help to heal things so that we can all get back to VBMX.
Oh my agenda? It was to make some friends, turns out that I have learned something as well.
The same wise man said there is something to be learned by everything and everyone in life.
Ok, so who want’s to buy my perfect condition Floval flyer??? Ziggy
What did I miss? I'm lost, has there been problems?
A wise man once said ^^^^(that guy Keepin_Things_Warm_Up_There)
"I dont care about this stuff..."
A wise man once said ^^^^(that guy Keepin_Things_Warm_Up_There)
"I dont care about this stuff..."
no comment....
Conley,
I'm starting to like you...
I'm starting to like you...
bills unregistered....lol's
can ummm i be unregistered and still post?
just a yes or no will be fine.
can ummm i be unregistered and still post?
just a yes or no will be fine.
Not trying to keep things warm. Trying to help put out the fire. Think I'm getting burnt anyway. This sucks......
testing...testing...1..2...3...
be careful what you ask for rich...
quote:i feel a hug coming on
Conley,
I'm starting to like you...
ziggy i had no clue whatsoever what your pm to me meant but looking back at this thread i can kind of guess.
quote:although i cannot speak for mark, if you read the previous page you will see there is a member whose post i believe conley is referencing and my post is based on that assumption.
Not trying to keep things warm. Trying to help put out the fire. Think I'm getting burnt anyway. This sucks......
quote:i do not believe conley's post was directed at you and i KNOW mine was not. if your feelings were hurt because you misunderstood my post, i am sorry. it was certainly not my intention. i was just enjoying this thread taking a lighter turn.
Keep_It_Warm
Vet Pro
Member # 3103
posted May 09, 2007 17:58
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I dont care about this stuff...I'm still looking forward to Rockford.
quote:What the hell does that mean? you didn't like me before for some reason?
Conley,
I'm starting to like you...
I'm out! I can't handle all this sucking up stuff!
[ May 10, 2007, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Mark Conley ]
LOL!! Mark, pass the popcorn
This thread was the reason I got up early this morning.. Is that bad? I might as well check the news on Paris Hilton while i'm at it.....
ziggy1 - I was not mocking you, sorry. Just trying to lighten things up. Actually only read the 1st line(which is all I even read on most of these anyway now), and thought that was a good line that fit in to KIW's point.
PIPE-Stay away from Paris Hilton, your bad news for her.
PIPE-Stay away from Paris Hilton, your bad news for her.
well...all be!
thats something i never seen before..says only registered users may edit/delete post.....testing...1...2....3
thats cool-gives everyone a diffrent view when they read what i type.
[ May 10, 2007, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: Rich ]
thats something i never seen before..says only registered users may edit/delete post.....testing...1...2....3
thats cool-gives everyone a diffrent view when they read what i type.
[ May 10, 2007, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: Rich ]
Bill Curtin
unregistered
Member # 26
Dang, now THAT is funny. Good one!
unregistered
Member # 26
Dang, now THAT is funny. Good one!
rich, quick! make some other wishes but make sure you really think first
this could become a trend....the unregistered gang.
now you need a catchy slogan, a favorite color scheme, and a hand signal.
what's scary is, I can almost get my fingers twisted into the vbmx letters. but i'm not ready to join by any means.
now you need a catchy slogan, a favorite color scheme, and a hand signal.
what's scary is, I can almost get my fingers twisted into the vbmx letters. but i'm not ready to join by any means.
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