wow jk,
nice ride. new old school.

hey rust
maybe we gotta ride before lunch. I got a party to go to in the afternoon. let me know where you want to ride: town or HK anywhere's fine.

BU

HK's sounds good, I gotta practice my jumps.

I thought something was up with that Jag when I saw what looked like an old style fork but a clamp on stem. Looks like you got the best of both worlds with that bike. We have come a long ways from off the shelf bikes to fully custom rides, sooo trick.

Changstar

Glad you guys like the Jag! I have to spend more time on it. A big part of me wants to stay on the 24 now. 20 feels tiny now. I guess I got used to the 24 after all.

BU and Rust what day you hitting HK in the morning? If it's Sat I might be able to ride too! Sunday gotta take the kids to the fair though.

jk

I'm up for saturday morning.

got a fast job in the morning, I'll probably be done by around 9:30-10:00.

BU

BU VS Chris Clifiton, Kona 5/83

#80 Stuart Domingo, #88 Kevin Sano, sorry don't know the rest, changstar must know... Kona 5/83

BU

Dude, looks like you hit the gate before it dropped.

Stuart Domingo? Wow, that's a name from the past.

that's the torque before the boost comes on...

Lets see,
L toR, Jody Char?,Stu, Derek Cayetano, Gabe Cruz(SP), Sano, Monte Hughs.
Cool pic, keep um commin.

Changstar

Whats the specs on that Jag frame? My 20 and cruiser feel the same just standing up pedaling, but the 20 gets squirly when going fast and trying jumps or turns.

Changstar

Holy Cr_p my computer crashed! You don't realize how addicted you are to this site until you can't check it out for a few days or so. I'm on my wifes laptop right now.........FBOMB!!!!!!

Anyways....Changstar here are the specs that I can remember off hand:

20.75 top tube
74 degree steerer
72 degree seat tube
14.5 - 15.5 chainstay.

The 20 JagRetro and the Badd cruiser don't feel alike to me. I have to change a few things to get them more similar. One thing that throws me off is that the Badd has 177 cranks and the jag has 175's. Seems like a small difference but you can really feel it. I am thinking of going with a shorter stem. Probably a SNAP. Not sure on the length. Any advice there? I thought the Slam bars and the S&M Cruiser bars would feel similar but they feel really different to me.

I got a chance to ride BU's S&M on SAT and I gotta admit I am loving the feel of the big back tire on his. His S&M felt DIALED! BU was knocking some tables with ease. Man how do you guys do it? I still am trying to find my Mojo......

jk

jk
was wondering where you went... mine crashed about 2 months ago and was a b*tch to get everything up to par again. I'll be building a 38 special slowly (you know how that goes). Duane is checking with S&M if they can make a cruiser slam with the same bends as the regular slam bars. I hope the bike feels almost the same as the 20". I gotta learn how to launch farther so at least I can land on the downside of the jumps...

BU

Lots of measuring will get your bikes close. Main things are BB to handlebars. You want the same rise and length distance from your feet to your hands. If you need more detail let me know.

Changstar

BU,

That would help alot to have the bars with the same bend. You are one step in front of me in dialing things in. I think you can hit the back side of the landings pretty easy with your skills. Hell, if you can table off that little jump I am looking forward to seeing you hit the outside line. I tried the outside line yesterday - just the first jump. I wasn't making the backside. I just gotta sac up and hit it faster. Let me know when you guys hit HK again!

Chanstar,

I'll measure things up tomorrow and try and figure out whats making the bikes feel different.

jk

changstar

so does that mean you measure from your BB spindle to your handlebar ends. if I'm wrong, please explain how to make a 24 feel as close to my 20...

jk
will let you know when we hit HK...

BU

OK, for bar height set your bike straight up and down and measure how high your bars at the grip ends are from the ground. Then measure your BB height. Then minus the BB from the bar height. This will give you your riding area so that the height will be close as possible, adjust the height with the washers under your stem to make both bikes the same. For length measure from the bar ends to BB, make sure front tire points straight ahead. If these are the same on both bikes then that is as close as you can get. Some things that may make bikes feel different are:

Headtube angle, slower or faster steering will change up the feel

Seat tube angle, only when sitting down will you feel a difference.

BB height, lower BB will be easier to lift the first foot (12 inches) of tire off the ground. Higher BB will be harder to lift the first foot but after up over a foot it gets lighter.

BB to rear axle, shorter is lighter front. I set my cruiser as short as possible, bigger wheels and higher axle makes it harder to pull up front. I set my 20 with rear axle about mid drop out or 15 inches.

It is harder to go from cruiser to 20 than 20 to cruiser. Most racers that ride both never ride their cruiser other than to race. All practice and training is done on 20. I mostly ride cruiser just cause it is a easier bike to ride and much more stable IE safer and less crashing. For long far jumps the cruiser rules. For tech stuff and tight riding the 20 is tops. You will never get any 2 bikes the same even if it were two 20 inchers, or two cruisers. But you can get close enough so that you can adjust to it quickly. I would say for just getting back into it ride the cruiser, but to fine tune and really get your skill on it's got to be on the 20. If you really want a challenge try it all on a 16 incher. Big dubs and all.

Changstar

ah haaa!!! thanks changstar...

BU

Now you are gonna measure your bikes and see how off it is and trip out. For sure on cruiser try to get the rear end under 16 inches.

Changstar

Here we go again.......on bmxhawaii.......From TG.....

A 4 man team will also be there, Moki Fernandez, NBA Pro Class ,Miki Fernandez, Andrew (Bully) Garcia And ABA 92 State Champion Cruiser Terence Gomez #2. Team Kolor-Chrome Koncepts. Co-Sponsor Crupi, Vans, Ogio, ACT Energy Drink, Simple Green. We are waiting to kick some ASSS!!


jk

I guess the fun factor of us old racers is out the window... I'll put my money on changstar...

BU

Ditto!

I'll put my money on you too...

BU

Can you make this feel like my cruiser? LOL


So Jason, When are you coming out again?

I'm going to HKs tomorrow morning about 9:00ish. Well, most likely.

Thanks for the props guys. I 'll give it my best shot...............When the time comes. Strange how one guy can trash talk for other people, I wonder if the other teamates even know about all this talk. I prefer to let my on track riding speak for itself. And then if I or any of us other old schoolers played the talk game we will have those that take it to seriously and make us out to be jerks. The old saying "when the gate drops, the bull stops" Also funny is that I just talked to Bully, he is very down to earth and taken a more realistic view of it all. To me it will be starting over again for everybody. Past glory is just that, in the past. Tracks have changed, bikes have changed, skill and technique is changed. The only thing the same is hard work and determination. Gotta watch those quiet guys too, like Klaus and Rock. You know somebody is going to be doin those uphill sprints and come out swinging when the track opens. I am fully prepared to have my arse handed to me, but give me some time to work on it and I am sure I am not the only one who will check it out then get to work and things will be a lot different after a few months. By the way, how do you get a sponsor for racing when there is no racing? Or is it just for being handsome.

Changstar

Well said Changstar!

I just want to have fun with some old friends and new ones. There were times racing where I took things too seriously. I'm not saying I am not going to put in some work to get back in shape. But, if the track does become a reality I'll be there having fun and helping with the track. Bummer that a few guys are sporting the my dick is bigger than your dick attitude already.

jk

Went HK this morning, I was Popeye the whole time there. Just wasn't happening today. Oh well, try again next week.

Nothing wrong with being serious. I just keep it between the gate and the finishline. Once I cross the finishline, it's done and fun. You gotta admit riding is fun but winning is a little more fun. We all have a competitive spirit. Racing in the blood, and while I will never be mad at not winning, I do hope to get a first. Somehow it wouldn't be fun if everone went around the track only trying 80%, that would be more like practice. I like pushing the limit, a little faster and I might crash, a little slower and I will lose, what to do? thats the fun. If you need a little more speed we can always add some dancing slippers. In the distance we can hear "Oh yeah! My bike is lighter than yours"

Changstar

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww74/Fastoutin/Misc5.jpg

nice 24 skyway...

BU

I remember that pic from BMX Action. That is just so totaly 80's cool. I could never figure out how Ritchie could go so fast with 24" Tuffs. Even if they were Graphites. I have thought about Graphites for a 20, light enough and strong. Plus has a old school look. Hey RusT, you should bust out a Redline and put your Graphites on it like the 80's.

Changstar

I'd like a late '70's early 80's proline for a build. hmm, more bmx therapy.

My new ride!
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~axsyscnc/Post...sTA_Cruiser.jpg
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~axsyscnc/Post...lection_267.jpg
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~axsyscnc/Post/Rock07_1054.jpg

I WISH!!!
Saw these pics and thought, cool!

I ran into one of Hawaii's fastest today - John Llacuna! Was cool seeing him after all these years. He has a Mountain Bike. So we have a chance of getting him out on the dirt again.

jk

Cool, another rider I liked to watch race and ride Aala skate park.

Very cool, where did you see him? Did you tell him about vintage? Maybe he will join up with the TG team. I wonder what ever happend to the old team Mongoose van.

Changstar

I saw him in Pearl City. He knows about the website. He mentioned that his girlfriend found the site and they always check out the pics. He also mentioned that he lost all his old pics. So I am sure whenever we find and post some old pics it brings back memories for alot of guys besides us. I really hope alot of the "old guys" will come back to riding once the track starts. Would be great to see Moki, Miki and Cuna together again......I can hear the KISS music pounding from the speakers already.

jk

Just wondering about our age. Cruiser breakdown of age classes.
31-35
36-40
41-45
46-50
Knobby tire wheel chair

I figure most of us will be in 41-45, but maybe a few of us will be in the 46-50. Boy even though we are there , just looking at that number seems old. Not sure but I think some of the over 45 are Rory, John, Moki, Miki, Kata, Buddy, Malvert.
So how old is everybody?

Changstar

Jason,

I'll probably be in the 45 class when the track runs. I turn 45 in January - but my wife says I act like I'm 12. Unfortunately for her I take that as a compliment.

jk

I can relate, my real age is 43, 44 in Dec. I act like I am 12, and my body is like 60. Somewhere in there I can still ride without training wheels. And bunny hop small things.

Changstar

Jason,

If I were to race, I would definitely be in the Power Chair Division :-((

JT

Here are a few pictures from the OS legends show this weekend. Chang/Klaus, I met a guy at the show, I can't remember his name now, that used to know and ride with you guys. He moved to Schofield barracks in 86 just after I moved to England.







Andy Patterson and Martin


Cru Jones from RAD


more pics here
http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/ash...20show/?start=0

and here
http://bmx.transworld.net/2009/06/07/2009-...than-90-photos/




Andy

.. Hey Changstar, i turn 46 in November..

my body turns 70 in October..


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Those are super rad pics Andy, thanks for posting up


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Hey i've been away for a couple of weeks, set to travel for another 10 days right after fathers day, have to attend data engineering technologies seminar-expo, my head is pounding already..

Checked out Hawaii Kai track on sunday, got there about 8-9 am something (?) no one was there except the high winds and blazing sun.. too bad I missed you guys..

Riding next week sat or sunday? I can ride on sunday, probably not saturday as i probably working.. what do you all say..

those are nice bike pics guys!


.. oh yah, what tire pressure are you guys using for asphalt/street riding?


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Hey Andy RAD airs as Ever!
Cool to see other faces coming out!

I'll see if I can make it Sunday. For tire pressure, check the side wall of your tire for a guide. For street stuff it's real high like 70-100 lbs. For dirt softer like 40-70. Try to run as high as possible, it rolls a lot faster and less chance of a pinch flat. If it feels funny, slowly add air and ride till you get used to it. Like maybe start at 40 lbs and ride a few days, then go to 50 lbs and ride a few days and so on till 60-70 or so.

Changstar

WHOA!!! andy mean airs... cool event, the perks of living on the mainland...

BU

Info on the TRACK!!!!!

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jk