who started this whole craze anyway? seriously. who was the first to create this monster?
thanks for your help.
(using the search function for "looptail" and "history" on this site is akin to searching for "porn" on google.)
Full Version: The Looptail: Who's fault is it?
Elvis.
He started everything.
He started everything.
guess ------ webco or redline though their's didn't actually manifest itself as a marketed frame ...
so i'll say webco
so i'll say webco
I believe it was the aliens, Those damn aliens are responsible for everything. Them and their illegal moon rock trade. When there was no more moon rocks they thought up the idea of looptail BMX frames.....Then they sold their idea to various companies who then manufactured looptail frames thanks to the aliens. Then with the money they made they were able to buy more moon rocks.
So there you have it folks....It was the aliens.
So there you have it folks....It was the aliens.
I believe it to be someone who had some extra long tubing and a pipe bender. just my guess.
Rick Twomey! "THE GODFATHER"
revcore, you mean to tell me these guys are responsible for all this hype?
and i thought they just created panic in major eastern US cities...
and i thought they just created panic in major eastern US cities...
I believe its mentioned when you research Freemasonry, The Carlyle Group, and the Boeing Skunkworks.
Yeah, since it has been such a succesful and proven design I would say the possibility of Freemasonry or Pathagorean theorum being responsible is probable.
some dragsters have loopies, or kinda
It was never an issue until that guy walked on the moon.
Loop tail frames have been around way before BMX was ever thought of. These are just a few examples of these wanderful old bikes.
1939 Huffman.
1941 Firestone
1941 Good Year
Rod Miles
1939 Huffman.
1941 Firestone
1941 Good Year
Rod Miles
Might have come from Speedway bikes too...
love the pics rod
Very cool Rod. It looks like that 41 Firestone even had some floval tubing going on for the seat to chain stays.
Loop tail designs have been around almost as long as the bicycle. They were also part of motorcycle (Speedway and TT) design for many years.
As far as BMX is concerned, credit is to be given to Rick Twomey and Jere Kirkpatrick at Webco for introducing it to the sport
As far as BMX is concerned, credit is to be given to Rick Twomey and Jere Kirkpatrick at Webco for introducing it to the sport
quote:credit where credit is due...
As far as BMX is concerned, credit is to be given to Rick Twomey and Jere Kirkpatrick at Webco for introducing it to the sport
Linn Kasten handed Rick T two looptail Red Lines previous to Rick's involvement at Webco.
SPIKE.....REILLEY1.......TIM.....
GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE?
THEN WHY DON'T ANY OF YOU? YOU ALL KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE 20" BMX BIKE LOOP TAIL STRAIGHT TUBE FRAME IT WAS ME, YES ME WHO TOOK THE IDEA FOR THE FRAMES TO MIKE AND LINN AT RED LINE AS I CONTRACTED THEM TO BUILD TWO FRAMES FOR ME.
I DESIGNED THE WEBCO FRAME AND JERE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE MANUFACTURING OF THE WEBCO FRAMES.
BOTH RED LINE AND WEBCO WERE DESIGNED FROM MY HARD WORK FIGURING THE CORRECT GEOMERTY AND STYLE.
THIS IS WHY I STAY OFF THESE SITES. YOU KNOW THE REAL STORY.
LOOK IN A MIRROR GUYS.
GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE?
THEN WHY DON'T ANY OF YOU? YOU ALL KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE 20" BMX BIKE LOOP TAIL STRAIGHT TUBE FRAME IT WAS ME, YES ME WHO TOOK THE IDEA FOR THE FRAMES TO MIKE AND LINN AT RED LINE AS I CONTRACTED THEM TO BUILD TWO FRAMES FOR ME.
I DESIGNED THE WEBCO FRAME AND JERE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE MANUFACTURING OF THE WEBCO FRAMES.
BOTH RED LINE AND WEBCO WERE DESIGNED FROM MY HARD WORK FIGURING THE CORRECT GEOMERTY AND STYLE.
THIS IS WHY I STAY OFF THESE SITES. YOU KNOW THE REAL STORY.
LOOK IN A MIRROR GUYS.
Rick thanks for all you've done for the sport.
I know Tim still owns one of the looptail Redlines.
I've heard a rumor that three were made.
I've done some research on these bikes a few years ago when I had this painting done.
Check it out
I know Tim still owns one of the looptail Redlines.
I've heard a rumor that three were made.
I've done some research on these bikes a few years ago when I had this painting done.
Check it out
thank you, rick...
Rick, no offense intended. You and Linn do not agree on who designed the frames. I've talked to you both about that issue specifically, and have no interest in getting in the middle or taking sides. The only reason I credit Linn is because his company's name IS on the frame after all, and the frames came out of his shop.
[ March 04, 2007, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: TIM ]
quote:damn, now there's a handsome dude.
LOOK IN A MIRROR GUYS.
[ March 04, 2007, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: TIM ]
Look in the mirror?
It's always been my belief that it was introduced while you were at Webco.
I been debating this point with some people since I got here and before I was reintroduced to you and Patti at "Joe Kid" so it's not matter of me trying to be in your good graces.
It's always been my belief that it was introduced while you were at Webco.
I been debating this point with some people since I got here and before I was reintroduced to you and Patti at "Joe Kid" so it's not matter of me trying to be in your good graces.
anyway... Reilley casts no reflection. its odd.
Sorry....
well tim as usual you try to play a trump card.
linn or rick .... who is most popular and well
known, so who's memory is correct? nice
mike konle and i were friends before i met linn.
mike introduced me to linn. linn & mike owned red line. i contracted red line to make bike frames for
rick's bike shop. that would make them rick's bike shop frames, manufactured by red line. just like 90 % of all the bike frames back then were made by
brand x welding (not a real name of a welding shop bitd) but were sold as popular name frames. doesn't mean they all are brand x frames. yes i did run the red line sticker on the head tube as like i said mike and i were frends and i though it would be cool to run their logo. a lot of motorcycle company logos were put on bmx bikes. something that was done back then. guess you had to be there tim.
linn or rick .... who is most popular and well
known, so who's memory is correct? nice
mike konle and i were friends before i met linn.
mike introduced me to linn. linn & mike owned red line. i contracted red line to make bike frames for
rick's bike shop. that would make them rick's bike shop frames, manufactured by red line. just like 90 % of all the bike frames back then were made by
brand x welding (not a real name of a welding shop bitd) but were sold as popular name frames. doesn't mean they all are brand x frames. yes i did run the red line sticker on the head tube as like i said mike and i were frends and i though it would be cool to run their logo. a lot of motorcycle company logos were put on bmx bikes. something that was done back then. guess you had to be there tim.
Godfather,
You just say when,and I'll go get it back!
You just say when,and I'll go get it back!
Not too highjack,but. I have a question.
What was the advantige of the looptail, and if it was soo great why dont the company's of todays frame makers use that design?
What was the advantige of the looptail, and if it was soo great why dont the company's of todays frame makers use that design?
Seems kinda silly to bicker when it's obvious neither Redline or Webco invented the damn thing.
I'm more interested in the guy [hoping it WAS a guy] that invented the friggin wheel.
I'm more interested in the guy [hoping it WAS a guy] that invented the friggin wheel.
/ / / what he said.
quote:oh puleeeze...
linn or rick .... who is most popular and well
known, so who's memory is correct?
to be honest.. who cares who was 1st? none of it was rocket science. every bike design incorporated into bmx had been around for ages in other sized bikes. as the pictures offered up in this thread point out.
we go through this futile exercise all the time. who opened the 1st bmx track? who developed the 1st 26/24? who built the 1st straight bar frame? who rode a 2.125/1.75 tire combo 1st? did Leary do the 1st "Leary"? who published the 1st bmx magazine/newspaper?
re: the Ricks Bike Shop Red Line John Palfreyman looptail... it's Dean Martin cool. i couldn't care less who scribbled it on a napkin.
Rick, you're right. i wasn't there. unfortunately. but here's Linn's version for our readers:
Rick asked Linn if they could put together a couple straight tubed 20" frames, along the lines of Rick's homebuilt frames.
Linn built a couple frames.
The frames are serial #'ed as the next two frames in Red Line's XR75 "assembly line", in the same location and style - vertically on the front of the headtube. Palfreyman's is 149. Lund's would have been either 148 or 150. i have seen a Red Line XR75 frame with serial # 144 in same spot on headtube.
Red Line used the famous "Banzai" Palfreyman photo in their 1st print ads - in fact, that ad made the photo famous.
The frames were stickered with Red Line decals.
After Linn delivered the frames to Rick's Bike Shop, he began design on a bmx fork, and provided prototypes to Rick to try out on the frames. The forks were a smash hit at the tracks, and Red Line sold a ton of them.
Then Linn introduced the "squareback" frames in 1975, and Red Line's bmx division really took off.
Linn also built a one-off 26" cruiser in 1975 at the request of Bob Phillips of Dirtmaster. Bob Phillips raced it. It was decaled Red Line. Bob calls it his "Red Line cruiser" to this day. He doesn't call it his "Dirtmaster cruiser".
who decided the headtube angle/bb height/top tube length/dropout design/etc of the looptail is lost to history except for the two men involved - and they do not agree on the details of a 35 year old event.
[ March 07, 2007, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
Rick asked Linn if they could put together a couple straight tubed 20" frames, along the lines of Rick's homebuilt frames.
Linn built a couple frames.
The frames are serial #'ed as the next two frames in Red Line's XR75 "assembly line", in the same location and style - vertically on the front of the headtube. Palfreyman's is 149. Lund's would have been either 148 or 150. i have seen a Red Line XR75 frame with serial # 144 in same spot on headtube.
Red Line used the famous "Banzai" Palfreyman photo in their 1st print ads - in fact, that ad made the photo famous.
The frames were stickered with Red Line decals.
After Linn delivered the frames to Rick's Bike Shop, he began design on a bmx fork, and provided prototypes to Rick to try out on the frames. The forks were a smash hit at the tracks, and Red Line sold a ton of them.
Then Linn introduced the "squareback" frames in 1975, and Red Line's bmx division really took off.
Linn also built a one-off 26" cruiser in 1975 at the request of Bob Phillips of Dirtmaster. Bob Phillips raced it. It was decaled Red Line. Bob calls it his "Red Line cruiser" to this day. He doesn't call it his "Dirtmaster cruiser".
who decided the headtube angle/bb height/top tube length/dropout design/etc of the looptail is lost to history except for the two men involved - and they do not agree on the details of a 35 year old event.
[ March 07, 2007, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
quote:This was brought up in an old thread, I do not recall exact details, but I believe it was about the cost???
and if it was soo great why dont the company's of todays frame makers use that design?
Mongoose still has a loop tail model being sold at Target! Looks to be an aluminum and a pretty good bike for those that are on a budget. I still think the loop tail design is the most moto when it comes to frames! Lets dredge up the past and recount the fact the the "GODFATHER" commisioned the frame from Lynn and every thing else is just history!
yep . as far as most old school bikes go , loopys are the business ! if you dont like old school buy WETHEPEOPLE or FUJI ! GRRRRRRrrrrrrrrr .
[ March 23, 2007, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: OZZYBMX ]
[ March 23, 2007, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: OZZYBMX ]
quote:exactly mate .... at the time it was a good idea , but now companys like SE , REDLINE , NOMURA might be thinking they should have made a few to keep in the bank .....HINDSIGHT IS A WONDERFUL THING !!!!!!!!!!!
but I believe it was about the cost???
look at the under BB down tube STR-1 loopy quad , only 6 made and all destroyed noone has one , i feel that is a disaster personally .
NOW these days the bmxers with $$$$ want to buy the old scool bikes. 99% on here are re-living their childhood and have the cash to back it up . not a 10yr old wanting a $1200 old schooler as he remembers ......
[ March 23, 2007, 09:47 AM: Message edited by: OZZYBMX ]
quote:It's an easier way to manufacture a frame, folks have been doing it for decades.
Loop tail frames have been around way before BMX was ever thought of.
Rod, those are some sweet rides there. They remind me of a "restoration" I did once when I was working at Guthries in Salt Lake.
An old lady came in with a Brooks that her parents bought her for Christmas at the same shop (it's been in business since 1907!) in like 1935 or something. She wanted to see if it could be ridden again. I tore it all down and regreased everything. I went downstairs and rummaged up another part or two for it in cases where I just could'nt save something. I hit the old faded paint with some Pedro's Bike Lust, and it blinged back to life. I just tried to make it as "new" as I could cause I thought the story behind it was cool.
When the old lady came back and picked it up, it looked so good that she broke down and cried right there in the shop looking at it. Her reaction was so emotional it made me misty-eyed. She said it was her first bike and it's always been special to her.
cool story mike!
mike
mike
Very cool story Mike.
very cool pics rod and glen
Very cool story Mike.
remember its all about the bikes
no its all about ME !!!
cant we all just get along (sniffling rodney king)
Very cool story Mike.
remember its all about the bikes
no its all about ME !!!
cant we all just get along (sniffling rodney king)
MIKE COVIN .........
GREAT STORY. this is part of what this sport is all about.
HELPING fellow old skool bike
lovers. makes no differance if it's a 40 something ex-racer or a little old lady with her first bike.
no matter what you like as your favorite bike, the looptail is still clean & simple design.
I LIKE IT!
GREAT STORY. this is part of what this sport is all about.
HELPING fellow old skool bike
lovers. makes no differance if it's a 40 something ex-racer or a little old lady with her first bike.
no matter what you like as your favorite bike, the looptail is still clean & simple design.
I LIKE IT!
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