Anyone with any info please contact me.

I don't understand?

Come again?

99.9% of people won't understand.

2 people will understand. I am looking for one of those 2 people.

If you are one of those 2 people you will know what I am talking about. Please contact me as I received something in error, and am looking for the rightful owner.

Hey Willinois, please tell me fate has intervened and accidentally sent you a Redline package that was supposed to go to Saturino. ha!

Now that would be irony!

I am sure he would have to "Kill" me for it...again.

Is that Jonathan Drew on your avatar?

1) Who are you asking?
2) Who is Jonathan Drew?
3) If your asking me that is me on mine.

Nevermind #2 From Drew Estate Cigars. My bad.

Can I be 1 of 2 people!! PM me for my address, you can send it back to me!!!! What a MISTAKE!!! Keeping my fingers crossed!!!

On it's way! LOL

Does anyone want to here the rest of this story?

"hear"

Yeah, what the hell. We haven't had a drama bomb in *checks watch* 12 or 13 minutes now.

Yeah, I meant hear.... My spelling is as bad as my memory! LOL

Elvis...It was very cool meeting you by the way!

I will start by saying that a RedLine frameset came to me in error and I received it the day I posted this originally. The reason I received it was someone reused one of my boxes, did a poor job readdressing and the only address the USPS could read was my return address from the original mailing I had done.

Anyhow after 3 months or so of no rightful owner contacting me for this I put the fork on ebay as the wife wanted stuff to clear out of the basement. It sold, no worries. A month later I put the frame up (yeah, I work slow). Within hours a guy on the west coast emails me and says that it was lost in the mail to him and gives me the serial number. Cool, I found the owner (so I think). However through email it appeared he received credit from PayPal when the frameset never showed, so he wasn't the owner as the shipper was the one out of money and frame. I asked him to have the seller contact me. A day later I get email from a guy in FL. Neither of these guys are a part of the online community.

This guy isn't exactly grateful and approached the situation like somehow all this was my fault so I started digging and found that this frame was sold twice on ebay by that guy. Also positive feedback was exchanged both times?? I also appeared that the winner and the seller were doing a bunch of bidding on each others items and rarely winning them? Anyhow, before I got mixed into postal fraud, ebay feedback and shill bidding etc.... I emailed a bunch of questions to the seller. I also noted to him (since his attitude had become irritating) that by posting lost frameset info into 2 public forums that I was not legally bound to do anything, however I wanted to get the remaining frame into the rightful owners hands.


Should I continue or is this just boring?

[ June 22, 2007, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: willinois ]

Continue. This guy is obviously a jack bag...........

dude that is absolutely nutty!

drop it off at the police station's lost and found then tell the guys to call the station.

when they don't have the guts to call, just buy the thing back at the city auction. he he he.

Please continue

Incredible!! Will, i admire your detective work!, please continue

OK onward. I really don't think he is that bad, but just being a little overbearing with unreasonable expectations.

Anyhow, he emails me like 25 times wanting my phone number. I don't give my phone number out to just anybody, so I said no I wanted documentation in writing on this shady deal. Well he took offense the the word Shady. I asked if he was on the boards so I could get someone I trusted to vouch for him, but he isn't.

After he finally gives me documentation that there was no postal insurance on the package (it's fraud if he got paid for the frame by the USPS and then recovered it without paying them back). Now I am all good with returning it, so I shoot him that it's going to cost $35 to ship it back to him and that I no longer had the fork. He baulks at the cost to ship and starts asking me about where the fork was.

Let me add that the communication style while not offensive was also not friendly. Yeah, I feel bad about not having the fork, but what the heck, until that point I thought this was long over, and I was feeling a bit put out about the whole thing.

So I ignored his questions (since he ignored most of mine earlier). Finally he said "Money order or PayPal?" for the shipping costs.

I say PayPal so I can print the label online. A few days go by and he says he wants my address since his PayPal is all jacked up.

Again, I didn't like the way it smelled so I email back that I can wait until it is fixed. When I came home from Rockford he had finally PayPaled me to ship.

Now I have gotten 4 emails since Monday on where the tracking number was.....Heck, if he would have used a proper shipment in the first place with a tracking number this whole thing would never have happened!

I will pack the frame up this weekend and get it mailed Priority by Monday. Also, I bought a set of forks like the ones that were on it at Rockford to replace the ones I sold. They are not quite as nice, but I am including the rare end caps that I had in the garage.

And there is the rest of the story.........................


What would have you guys done?

props!

Just from what I've read, I understand why you were skeptical. If the guy is upset for having had to wait a little longer, while you covered your bases, well tough for him. He should be grateful that the frame wound up with someone with integrity.

Well Brett,He is very lucky it ended up in your hands.I think you handled it well.

-Rob

it's amazing how many good samaritans get abused in this crazy world of ours. willinois tries to do the right thing and well, you guys read it.

me, i'm into redlines so i would have built it LOL

Brett has always been upfront and straight forward, this just goes to show his integrety and character.

I think that best efforts are enough. Now for lost/found items, the police will tell you that an ad in the local paper is enough, but dealing with interstate commerce, it's a lot tougher. I think that you are right on the mark and the fact that you dug deeper to make sure that a buyer got what they had coming and even deeper to be sure that if a paypal claim had been filed against the seller, then they at least had their property back is outstanding on a personal level.

It really is a good thing when all the numbers add up and the case is clear, but you are the detective and I've seen post proof of it before. So if you think that there was some shystie action, then you're probably dead on. but you get to sleep well at night knowing you did what's "right'.. that is the end result.

Brett, do you have anything that might possibly be mine that I can have?

thats my white red line! mid-school frame right...yeah thats mine! LOL! those guys are lying, i lost it during shipping back in 1994.
if you will pay the shipping i will go ahead and take it back.

Big props to Bret - just another example of why he is a true ambassador of this hobby. personally, I would have told the guy to sod off a long time ago.

I personally would have kept the frame/fork together. But you have went above and beyond.
So it was poorly addressed so that USPS could not read it?- That's pretty bad. And it must have been bad that yourself could not decipher it. Or the label just plain fell off? Can't read the ship to or the ship from. I think we need to expose the seller.
Never mind you've done your duty well.
Intersting story- thanks.
Still wondering though about that seller.....

always get rid of all old labels anywhere on any box before shipping

nice job Bret

Bret - sounds like a big waste of time.

I've had some wheels sent to a guy to be built.
I called him a few days later to see if he had the package (we are talking NOS 7Bs here) and he said "no".
I freaked out and called the courier company only to get a knock on the door - my box of wheel parts sent back to me.
The delivered to the sender's address (me) - dooh!

Thanks guys....

Sorry Andy, but that is funny man!

I'm glad everyone sees it the way I did.

A day late, but it shipped out today.

In the mans hands for some time....no thank you!

Sounds to me like you did a lot more then was expected of you. your hard work is appreciated by some of us here, if not him.