It does come down to opinion. You would not buy the wheelset from Sprinter that he describes as NOS. Because in your opinion it is not a NOS wheelset because all the parts were used to put the wheelset together.
How many NOS from the factory wheelsets are floating around? No too many. The majority of what you see are NOS parts built into a set of rims. If you see a wheelset that says NOS and it it has Bullseye hubs you know it did not come from a factory so you know someone built them. Even if it was a common set of hubs laced to common rims with all the resources available you could find out if they were offered from a factory that way.
Even using the factory as a guideline for what is NOS any rim from a factory would not be NOS. The majority of hubs, rims and bikes are made in separate factories. Someone orders the parts that a company wants on their complete bikes and packages them together. So some guy at the at either the hub, rim or bike company put all those parts together from different places and laced the wheels. No different than the mechanic at a local shop lacing a custom wheel together 20 yrs ago then it sits on the shelf until one of us hucksters comes in and buys it for 10.00. They probably got the parts from the same factories or distributors.
Misrepresentation? In your E-Bay add why did you put NOS hubs rims etc..? Using your definition those are no longer NOS parts. They are no longer NOS because they were used from their purpose. This would lead a person who thinks NOS Wheel parts = a NOS wheelset to believe that is a NOS wheelset. NOS should have never been mentioned because they are used by your definition.
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quote:Then by your definition, there cannot possibly be a thing such as a NOS wheel. Regardless of where, when, or who built them. At least in regard to a spoked wheel. Because at one time, they were separate pieces, hubs, spokes, and rims, now they are a wheel, all the main components are used.
once an item is used for its purpose and function, it is no longer NOS. a hub is not NOS any longer once it has been laced into a wheel. a rim is no longer NOS once a tire has been mounted to it. spokes are no longer NOS once they have been laced into a wheel.
Wait hubs can't be NOS either then. I mean they had shells, bearings, axles, and bolts etc... then they were assembled. Now they are used.
As for packaging...
If a shop bought a frame, took it out of the box, hung it on the wall, and it's been there for the past 30 years is it not still NOS? It's never been built. Never had a part bolted to it. Yet it does have shelf wear and scratches from being moved around over the years etc... and the box is long gone...
Is that NOS?
One thing I want to be clear on, I'd never misrepresent an item. But this is the exact reason I'd hesitate to use the term NOS. I can ask 10 people and get 10 answers.
If you can't build a wheel, and have it be NOS, because you are arguing that the parts used to build it are used, I'll go by that definition.
But if a hub is no longer NOS once it's laced into a wheel, and that wheel cannot be NOS, how could a hub ever be NOS? The hub manufacturer bought the bearings, and assembled them into the hub. By your definition the bearings are now used for their purpose, and the whole cannot be NOS since it contains used parts, so there cannot be such a thing as a NOS hub.
If you could find all new parts to build a new 1965 corvette, it would still be a new 1965 corvette with 0 miles on it. It wouldn't be a 2006 corvette.
I gotta agree with Nighthawk "Bikes are made for riding".
quote:another guy who can't read. must be a disease. the auction clearly states the parts WERE NOS UNTIL built into wheels. which is exactly what they WERE and are no longer.
Misrepresentation? In your E-Bay add why did you put NOS hubs rims etc..? Using your definition those are no longer NOS parts. They are no longer NOS because they were used from their purpose. This would lead a person who thinks NOS Wheel parts = a NOS wheelset to believe that is a NOS wheelset. NOS should have never been mentioned because they are used by your definition.
sprinter.. i'll say it only one more time, then i'm done with the subject and leave you to rationalize all sorts of possibilities.
we all know what NOS is. you can play wordgames all you want. anybody in any collectible hobby knows what NOS is and isn't. the hub is not NOS once you lace it into a wheel. the proof is simple. unlace your "NOS" wheel. is the hub still NOS, now that it has been scored by the spokes? even if it hasn't, if you sold that hub as NOS, you would be misrepresenting it. unless you can tell me exactly when that hub goes from NOS to used. how much time, or miles do you get to put on it before it is no longer NOS?
see the slippery road you create by trying to keep the "NOS" tag on parts after you use them?
regarding wheels. if they were offered by manufacturers or distributors as complete wheels bitd, and a wheel survives unused - that is NOS. a wheel you built yesterday is not. because it was never offered for sale new AS A WHEEL bitd.
we all know what NOS is. you can play wordgames all you want. anybody in any collectible hobby knows what NOS is and isn't. the hub is not NOS once you lace it into a wheel. the proof is simple. unlace your "NOS" wheel. is the hub still NOS, now that it has been scored by the spokes? even if it hasn't, if you sold that hub as NOS, you would be misrepresenting it. unless you can tell me exactly when that hub goes from NOS to used. how much time, or miles do you get to put on it before it is no longer NOS?
see the slippery road you create by trying to keep the "NOS" tag on parts after you use them?
regarding wheels. if they were offered by manufacturers or distributors as complete wheels bitd, and a wheel survives unused - that is NOS. a wheel you built yesterday is not. because it was never offered for sale new AS A WHEEL bitd.
quote:9 of them don't know what their talking about.
I can ask 10 people and get 10 answers.
There is no debate here, it would have gone full circle if'n you three didn't fall off on page 1. NOS ends at usage of said piece. You take it out of the box, still NOS, you hang it on a wall, still NOS, you have it on a shelf getting knicked up for thirty years, still nos. When you use it, attach it, bolt it on...no longer NOS.
Yo Timbo! I would advise you to get on your Gary Turner (OLD SKOOL) NOS bike and ride it.. it would be the next best thing homie! Or I will have to fly out to Cali-wood and ride myself!
Oh forgot... make sure Timbo that your 5000th post is worth it.. hehehe.. happy 5000th post
what are you drinking?
you make me wanna smash my hothouse flowers cd...
you make me wanna smash my hothouse flowers cd...
Humorous as hell. A classic lesson in pragmatics 101 here.
I love the arguments...."What if someone has shoved the part where the sun don't shine? is it still NOS?" lmao
Pay attention, you might actually have fun with it! And see it happening live here...lol. And in many other threads.
Pragmatics 101,
A man is standing facing a tree (His name is Tim, since Tim does in fact have a sense of humor ). A squirrel is on the other side of the same tree. Tim wants to see the squirrel. Everytime Tim moves around the tree to see it, the squirrel counters Tim's move. This goes on for hours.
Meanwhile, when Tim gives up, he returns to find his 12 friends arguing, about "whether or not Tim has been going around the squirrel". To Tim's Dismay, 6 say yes, and 6 say no.
They start lobying Tim to cast the winning vote for thier side.
Tim, being a pragmatist, does not fall prey to the debate. He knows metaphysics when he sees it. He tells them that both answers are correct by virtue of the question.
Tim quickly determines that the question "Does the man go around the squirrel?", is undefined and offers no possible consistant answer.
Tim tells them that they must define the word "Around", because pragmatics is the art of finding the details that can change the outcome, and invalidate consistancy.
If the word "around" is defined as " by virtue of consecutive compass points", then YES, Tim does in fact, go around the squirrel. As Tim rotates from south to north the squirrel rotates from north to south, they revolve about a point in the center.
If the word "around" is defined as "with reference to the squirrel's white belly", then NO, he does not. As Tim moves, the squirrel never allows Tim to get behind him, and always has his white belly facing him.
Thus, there is no correct answer to the original question.
This NOS topic is identical filled with the same ironic humor. New remains undefined, Old remains undefined, (Ironically they are tecnically opposites being used together), and Stock is completely undefined as well.
So the entire topic is metaphysical drivel, with no possible answer, unless someone defines the 3 words, New, Old, and Stock. As each person casts their argument, they are tryin to use different definitions of any, or all, of those 3 vague words.
I solve the question when I am buying something, by ignoring the useless term, and determining whether or not the part has been somewhere that I don't want it to have been.
It has nothing to do with common sense. But everything to do with definition or lack thereof. Opinion, on what 3 vague and inconcise words mean. And it is very funny, because without definition, there is no right answer. and everyone gets mad, and thows stuff, and kicks their dogs, and gets drunk over it....
Personally, I am looking to buy a diamond ring that is "NOS". A billion year old diamond (new, never sold), cut in the 1940s (old), but has sat on the shelf for 60 years (stock), and been tried on by 400 people(used?). I hate it when they advertize that incorrectly too!
Cheers! lol
[ October 21, 2006, 03:55 AM: Message edited by: Ted Carl ]
I love the arguments...."What if someone has shoved the part where the sun don't shine? is it still NOS?" lmao
Pay attention, you might actually have fun with it! And see it happening live here...lol. And in many other threads.
Pragmatics 101,
A man is standing facing a tree (His name is Tim, since Tim does in fact have a sense of humor ). A squirrel is on the other side of the same tree. Tim wants to see the squirrel. Everytime Tim moves around the tree to see it, the squirrel counters Tim's move. This goes on for hours.
Meanwhile, when Tim gives up, he returns to find his 12 friends arguing, about "whether or not Tim has been going around the squirrel". To Tim's Dismay, 6 say yes, and 6 say no.
They start lobying Tim to cast the winning vote for thier side.
Tim, being a pragmatist, does not fall prey to the debate. He knows metaphysics when he sees it. He tells them that both answers are correct by virtue of the question.
Tim quickly determines that the question "Does the man go around the squirrel?", is undefined and offers no possible consistant answer.
Tim tells them that they must define the word "Around", because pragmatics is the art of finding the details that can change the outcome, and invalidate consistancy.
If the word "around" is defined as " by virtue of consecutive compass points", then YES, Tim does in fact, go around the squirrel. As Tim rotates from south to north the squirrel rotates from north to south, they revolve about a point in the center.
If the word "around" is defined as "with reference to the squirrel's white belly", then NO, he does not. As Tim moves, the squirrel never allows Tim to get behind him, and always has his white belly facing him.
Thus, there is no correct answer to the original question.
This NOS topic is identical filled with the same ironic humor. New remains undefined, Old remains undefined, (Ironically they are tecnically opposites being used together), and Stock is completely undefined as well.
So the entire topic is metaphysical drivel, with no possible answer, unless someone defines the 3 words, New, Old, and Stock. As each person casts their argument, they are tryin to use different definitions of any, or all, of those 3 vague words.
I solve the question when I am buying something, by ignoring the useless term, and determining whether or not the part has been somewhere that I don't want it to have been.
It has nothing to do with common sense. But everything to do with definition or lack thereof. Opinion, on what 3 vague and inconcise words mean. And it is very funny, because without definition, there is no right answer. and everyone gets mad, and thows stuff, and kicks their dogs, and gets drunk over it....
Personally, I am looking to buy a diamond ring that is "NOS". A billion year old diamond (new, never sold), cut in the 1940s (old), but has sat on the shelf for 60 years (stock), and been tried on by 400 people(used?). I hate it when they advertize that incorrectly too!
Cheers! lol
[ October 21, 2006, 03:55 AM: Message edited by: Ted Carl ]
quote:Randy, I think what your reading is a typo. I beleive the correct text should be...
nos has to be in the sack
"my NOSE is in the sack"
[ October 21, 2006, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: raybeard ]
My last reply to this thread.
First of all where is Dave Muggleston? He started it.
The opinion statement. Was only in refference to NOS wheelsets. Sprinter's opinion is different than yours and it looks like the opinion does vary on what some people feel constitutes a NOS wheelset. I hope that NOS as far as other parts are concerned is what most believe, something new from a shop never been used in any way.
The misrepresentation quote. My point was if it is used by your standards then NOS should have never been mentioned in the auction. Like someone said everything was NOS at one point. So would it be fair for someone to post any part that was used on any bike for any reason as NOS because at the time they used it was (were) NOS? I can see the E-bay add now USED Cracked NOS Tuff Wheels. They were NOS when I put them on the bike 20 years ago. Or even they were NOS when I put it on my show bike yesterday, then I backed over them with my car. Less than 1/2 mile of riding. Twenty yrs ago or 20 minutes ago, like you said once it is used for the purpose it is no longer NOS. So why should anyone in that situation mention NOS in their add? Even if they are claryifying it by saying were or was. Why not say Rims and hubs have never been used or laced prior to building them? Leave out any mention of NOS. I am sure you were not trying to mislead anyone just trying to be as descriptive as possible. But you know people read and remember only what they want in auction or posts for that matter.
One last thing. The "Yous guys" comment kind of came off a little elitist. You are one of us guys. Deep down, we all have the same purpose for being in this hobby we like bikes. It does not matter of you ride them, look at them, or seal them in a vault, none of us would not do this if we did not like bikes.
First of all where is Dave Muggleston? He started it.
The opinion statement. Was only in refference to NOS wheelsets. Sprinter's opinion is different than yours and it looks like the opinion does vary on what some people feel constitutes a NOS wheelset. I hope that NOS as far as other parts are concerned is what most believe, something new from a shop never been used in any way.
The misrepresentation quote. My point was if it is used by your standards then NOS should have never been mentioned in the auction. Like someone said everything was NOS at one point. So would it be fair for someone to post any part that was used on any bike for any reason as NOS because at the time they used it was (were) NOS? I can see the E-bay add now USED Cracked NOS Tuff Wheels. They were NOS when I put them on the bike 20 years ago. Or even they were NOS when I put it on my show bike yesterday, then I backed over them with my car. Less than 1/2 mile of riding. Twenty yrs ago or 20 minutes ago, like you said once it is used for the purpose it is no longer NOS. So why should anyone in that situation mention NOS in their add? Even if they are claryifying it by saying were or was. Why not say Rims and hubs have never been used or laced prior to building them? Leave out any mention of NOS. I am sure you were not trying to mislead anyone just trying to be as descriptive as possible. But you know people read and remember only what they want in auction or posts for that matter.
One last thing. The "Yous guys" comment kind of came off a little elitist. You are one of us guys. Deep down, we all have the same purpose for being in this hobby we like bikes. It does not matter of you ride them, look at them, or seal them in a vault, none of us would not do this if we did not like bikes.
It seems that everyone has their own definition of NOS so I don't see a true answer to this debate..
I've only read the 1st two pages....
This is sooooo silly
This is sooooo silly
My Grandfather told me once, that he has had the "same axe" for the last 40 years and in that time he has only had to replace the handle 3 times and the head once...........................
BUT its the same AXE!! Aint it??? .........LOL
BUT its the same AXE!! Aint it??? .........LOL
1st of all, dont go smashing your CD because someone is from a certain country, you'd be no better than Hater from the other website who occasionally posts here.
2nd of all, If one persons opion is the ONLY one that counts, why has it gone to 5 pages.
If I buy a NOS part for a build and mount it to a bike, WHATEVER thats part is, its no longer NOS.
NOS Ukai's,NOS SUZUE's,NOS spokes.
No longer NOS.
my 2c for what its worth.
2nd of all, If one persons opion is the ONLY one that counts, why has it gone to 5 pages.
If I buy a NOS part for a build and mount it to a bike, WHATEVER thats part is, its no longer NOS.
NOS Ukai's,NOS SUZUE's,NOS spokes.
No longer NOS.
my 2c for what its worth.
quote:amen.
One last thing. The "Yous guys" comment kind of came off a little elitist. You are one of us guys. Deep down, we all have the same purpose for being in this hobby we like bikes. It does not matter of you ride them, look at them, or seal them in a vault, none of us would not do this if we did not like bikes
interesting. it is now "elitist" to be unhappy that i have been sold "NOS" parts that turn out not to be NOS. and who sold me those parts? guys with the same definition of NOS as many of "yous guys" posting here with all your "what ifs". guys who apparently think it isn't used until they decide it's used.
here's the quote. where's the elitism?
here's the quote. where's the elitism?
quote:i don't want your junk pawned off as NOS. if that's elitism, that's cool by me.
it is not "cool" to misrepresent stuff when you are selling it. as i said i have a big pile of you guys' "NOS" stuff. lots of it was more than a little used. should those sellers' opinions be respected?
Let me clarify the elitist comment. In all of your dealings you can not tell me that everyone was satisfied by your descriptions. There had to be one person out there that felt the product was not as described. You are a stand up guy and probably did the right thing and returned money etc... I have had it happen to me as well. Sold some red Anno bars on e-bay(had a picture of them). Sent the guy the bars he said they were orange not red. OK if they look orange to you that's fine. Gave him his money back and got the bars back. This happens to everyone. We have all been "Yous guys" at least once.
assigning a condition to an item is a crapshoot. one guy's "7" is another guy's "8". one guy's "excellent" is another guy's "good". that is true and everyone gets bitten occasionally.
but NOS is not a subjective term. no one should get bitten by it. it is either an old, unused, original item or it isn't. you should not receive an NOS hubset and find spoke scoring on them. you should not receive an NOS frameset and find repop decals on it, or dropout marks, or repairs. "shop wear" and "used a little" are not the same thing.
"NOS" probably adds 25% - 50% to the value of an excellent/mint condition item. so, if you pay for NOS, you should get NOS. if you mount NOS items on your showbike, you should both understand and accept that you are shaving 25% - 50% off the value of the item. live with it.
[ October 23, 2006, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
but NOS is not a subjective term. no one should get bitten by it. it is either an old, unused, original item or it isn't. you should not receive an NOS hubset and find spoke scoring on them. you should not receive an NOS frameset and find repop decals on it, or dropout marks, or repairs. "shop wear" and "used a little" are not the same thing.
"NOS" probably adds 25% - 50% to the value of an excellent/mint condition item. so, if you pay for NOS, you should get NOS. if you mount NOS items on your showbike, you should both understand and accept that you are shaving 25% - 50% off the value of the item. live with it.
[ October 23, 2006, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
5 pages of opinions doesn't mean everyone is right or the question has no real answer. The answer is on page 1 followed by 4 pages filled with protesting banter by folks that DON'T want or like the answer.
touche'
if i buy sprinters nos wheel set go home and take them apart do i have nos rims,spokes and hubs?can i still sell the hubs as nos?no, they were used.his wheels may be new,never used and built with nos parts but they arent nos wheels.
I am chiming in a little late but I just read the post for the first time,
I think there are a few things being missed here.
At a bike shop any parts removed off of a new bike are sold as take offs and at a slightly reduced price. This is not the same as new. This is done even if the bike only sits on the showroom flloor. The same as if you unlaced a hub it yes would be unriden but it would classify as a take off then. It would classify as built up but not ridden.
NOS can not have any marks from installation. The whole point of paying extra for Nos is that it was never messed with. You pay extra for the assurance of no problems.
On another note I personally would take freshly built rims from nos parts over rims built BITD and sitting for 20 years. Spoke tension and metal fatigue would be the first things that should pop into your mind.
I think you can totally call the Wheelset as long as it it unused and never mounted NOS but more accurately Built from Nos parts. However each of the peices is no longer Nos and never can be again.
Nbl 49a
Kastan National Team 91-92
I think there are a few things being missed here.
At a bike shop any parts removed off of a new bike are sold as take offs and at a slightly reduced price. This is not the same as new. This is done even if the bike only sits on the showroom flloor. The same as if you unlaced a hub it yes would be unriden but it would classify as a take off then. It would classify as built up but not ridden.
NOS can not have any marks from installation. The whole point of paying extra for Nos is that it was never messed with. You pay extra for the assurance of no problems.
On another note I personally would take freshly built rims from nos parts over rims built BITD and sitting for 20 years. Spoke tension and metal fatigue would be the first things that should pop into your mind.
I think you can totally call the Wheelset as long as it it unused and never mounted NOS but more accurately Built from Nos parts. However each of the peices is no longer Nos and never can be again.
Nbl 49a
Kastan National Team 91-92
I'll now hijack my own thread and see if we can get another five pages out of THIS question: is a Team Mongoose Frameset NOS if it's had a headset installed?
Again, I say "no". And in advance, I say "sorry TIM, I couldn't resist."
Again, I say "no". And in advance, I say "sorry TIM, I couldn't resist."
i agree, no it isnt.
i think this one is easier to answer than the wheel question.
i think this one is easier to answer than the wheel question.
the answer is "maybe". lots of framesets were advertised in the mags with headset installed and fork mounted.
ya might have got me there though.
[ October 23, 2006, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
ya might have got me there though.
[ October 23, 2006, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
NEWSFLASH!!! save the 5 pages of drama. the BMX Products Team Mongoose WAS advertised as a frameset - with headset installed, in 1981.
well blow me down....
This proves it. When you dance with the devil, Your toes will get stepped on.
quote:
the BMX Products Team Mongoose WAS advertised as a frameset - with headset installed, in 1981.
quote:Hmm, TIM. Hmm.
NOS Tioga headset installed by previous owner for frameset display purposes only.
If I may, just to prove I'm not up Tim's ***...as I've been told.
But, that fork is a Supergoose fork, doesn't belong with that frame/frameset. The Team Mongoose was issued with a color matching fork beginning 1979. Cool combo nontheless....
But, that fork is a Supergoose fork, doesn't belong with that frame/frameset. The Team Mongoose was issued with a color matching fork beginning 1979. Cool combo nontheless....
Randy, i got a Team Mongoose ad somewhere showing a chrome fork on a candy frame. i'll have to dig around for it, but i know there is one.
i tell ya though, the cramping went away with you out of my ***.
i know the history of that frameset from the original discovery in a bikeshop. who owned it every step of the way, and who found it originally. no shysters in the bunch.
no matter though. the buyer scored a great deal. he will not be disappointed. that frameset is sick. if i dropped the ball by calling it NOS despite headset installed, i'll gladly email the buyer and let him know. i'd be more than happy to keep it if he doesn't want it.
[ October 24, 2006, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: TIM ]
i tell ya though, the cramping went away with you out of my ***.
i know the history of that frameset from the original discovery in a bikeshop. who owned it every step of the way, and who found it originally. no shysters in the bunch.
no matter though. the buyer scored a great deal. he will not be disappointed. that frameset is sick. if i dropped the ball by calling it NOS despite headset installed, i'll gladly email the buyer and let him know. i'd be more than happy to keep it if he doesn't want it.
[ October 24, 2006, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: TIM ]
quote:there's alot of things in bmx ad's that never came to life, we all know this. Someone could've added that chrome fork down the way. & unless you have paper trail proving otherwise....the Mongoose ad is bunk. =)
i got a Team Mongoose ad
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Well of course if it was ridden on it will show wear but then it wouldn't be NOS. I guess I just don't know what you mean with that statement.
If I was to build a wheel with the exact same spokes, hub, rim, etc., and I wanted to sell that wheel I WOULD say that it was a NOS wheel and sell it as such. I would be perfectly comfortable doing that. However, for the anal folks I would say that there is no NOS dust on the NOS wheel because all the NOS dust got rubbed off the NOS parts when the NOS wheel was assembled very recently by me. Have I ever done that? No not yet. I doubt if I ever will do that since I would want to keep the NOS wheel that I just built for myself. I would NEVER try and decieve someone and make them think that a wheel I just built was built BITD.
Am I 100% right? Gee I'm not really that self-absorbed to make a statement like that or come off like that. All I know is that I've been building wheels since I was 13 (32 years ago) and even built them for bike shops and worked in 2 bike shops in San Diego BITD. Does that mean I know more than someone that didn't work in a bike shop? Heck no and it doesn't mean that I'm right either. I have built several 1000 bikes and several 1000 rims in my time however (if that's worth anything).
Here's a thought: Were wheels from BITD hatched from an egg? Were they not built from parts? Well I just happen to know the answer to that(from hands-on experience of course). They were BUILT from parts.
Just my 5 cents worth.
quote:Huh? Not sure what you mean there. Maybe you didn't word it right? Give me a NOS wheel from BITD and give me some NOS parts exactly like the parts on the NOS wheel and let me build up the wheel and put the 2 wheels next to each other. Then after the new NOS wheel is built up, and the 2 wheels are next to each other, you tell me which one is which (of course I would wipe off the 'NOS dust' from the wheel built BITD...or is that worth something?). So you can't tell which is which? Okay then lets try taking the 2 wheels apart. We will take apart the NOS wheel that was built BITD and the NOS wheel that was just built. And so now the hub that was on the wheel that was just built is more worn than the hub off the wheel built BITD? If anything there would be more wear on the hub from the wheel that was built BITD from people holding it in there hand and spinning it to check for trueness/straightness (technically speaking of course).
proof is in the pudding. NOS parts built into a wheel have been used. they do have wear. take the wheels back apart, and the individual parts are no longer NOS, because they have now been used and show wear (especially the hubs).
Well of course if it was ridden on it will show wear but then it wouldn't be NOS. I guess I just don't know what you mean with that statement.
If I was to build a wheel with the exact same spokes, hub, rim, etc., and I wanted to sell that wheel I WOULD say that it was a NOS wheel and sell it as such. I would be perfectly comfortable doing that. However, for the anal folks I would say that there is no NOS dust on the NOS wheel because all the NOS dust got rubbed off the NOS parts when the NOS wheel was assembled very recently by me. Have I ever done that? No not yet. I doubt if I ever will do that since I would want to keep the NOS wheel that I just built for myself. I would NEVER try and decieve someone and make them think that a wheel I just built was built BITD.
Am I 100% right? Gee I'm not really that self-absorbed to make a statement like that or come off like that. All I know is that I've been building wheels since I was 13 (32 years ago) and even built them for bike shops and worked in 2 bike shops in San Diego BITD. Does that mean I know more than someone that didn't work in a bike shop? Heck no and it doesn't mean that I'm right either. I have built several 1000 bikes and several 1000 rims in my time however (if that's worth anything).
Here's a thought: Were wheels from BITD hatched from an egg? Were they not built from parts? Well I just happen to know the answer to that(from hands-on experience of course). They were BUILT from parts.
Just my 5 cents worth.
no it isnt a nos wheel.the one form back in the day is a brand new never used wheel and thats it.if you take that wheel apart(the bitd wheel) the parts are not nos.
so in your mind you are 100% right but i disagree with you.
if it was built by a bike shop bitd it would be a brand new wheel,the parts were never used but they are no longer nos.the wheel was built with nos parts but thats where the nos ends.
if i take a pile of nos parts and build a bike what is it?a bike built with nos parts.not one part is any longer nos.
this can go on for ever as these are nothing more than opinions really.
so in your mind you are 100% right but i disagree with you.
if it was built by a bike shop bitd it would be a brand new wheel,the parts were never used but they are no longer nos.the wheel was built with nos parts but thats where the nos ends.
if i take a pile of nos parts and build a bike what is it?a bike built with nos parts.not one part is any longer nos.
this can go on for ever as these are nothing more than opinions really.
[ October 24, 2006, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: jeffry1970 ]
This is sooo anal and hilarious.....in the short time it took me to write my response up above, 4 more whole pages were added to this.
I guess it's all about if you are in the popular click then you are right and all the @zz kissers will just go along with it. This reminds me of politicians (which I hate by the way) twisting their words to fit their needs. So amusing. I wish I could start every day reading jibberish like this.......
I guess it's all about if you are in the popular click then you are right and all the @zz kissers will just go along with it. This reminds me of politicians (which I hate by the way) twisting their words to fit their needs. So amusing. I wish I could start every day reading jibberish like this.......
i dont se it that way i see it as common sense.
which aparently you lack..
which aparently you lack..
mike if you were looking for a set of nos hubs and i had one of your wheels from bitd,took it apart and sold you the hub would it be a nos hub?
I've seen plenty of NOS items in the BMX arena as well as the vintage car arena that were far from looking new. I personally think that NOS is a term that really doesn't mean alot. I'd rather have parts that are mint. Appearance and function are the key. So let's just do this - all you NOS purists out there stick to your NOS parts, and I'll only buy the remaining perfect ones in better condition for less money.
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