I'm not well-versed on the variations of Hutch stems--is the one in this auction real?

Looks like one of the original 'Deep H' Hutch Stems, but there are alot of copies about, so who knows !

I'll go with - NO - it got the old deep H on the western style base w/no milling slots for washers or flex fighters, just like the repro's that were made a few years back --- I'd be real weary, hell I wouldn't even give it a second thought, considering I had to give it a second thought

Absolutly not. I have both, 4 original deep H, and 1 copy. As Dr. Frankenripper stated, the originals have milling in the base (underneath, where bolt assembly passes through stem). The stem in the auction does not show milling. Big time beware.

On top of that, it's made to look like he don't know what any of that stuff is---just random bike junk.

Watch to see where this stuff goes...that stem's gonna come around again, bet your arze!

I agree beware on the stem as you never know these days. Especially since it looks so new. But I don't agree that all deep H stems had the milling underneath. I have 3 hutch stems, a western, a deep H with the milling and one with out. And I am 100% positive that the deep H with out the milling is original. So I wouldn't make that the deciding factor that it is fake.

I will have to look, but it was discussed somewhere on here a while ago, that the deep H with the milling was the earliest, than the milling was discontinued due to cost. In the interim before the western H came out the deep H stems were built with a 90 degree angle not with a negative angle which necessitated the milling, like the later western H.

I am sure there are some with better knowledge that may be able to shed some better light on the subject.

About this milling again.
Well, I've a deep H stem from 84 and i'm sure it's real and from 1984.
Because bought that Hurch pro racer from a old BMXer who even didn't know there is a collectors world for such bikes.
So, that pro racer had a deep H stem without the milling you guys talking about!
And i've another deep H stem bought from a old BMX friend and also that don't have the milling!
I think only the first deep H stems had this milling and the later deep H stems not anymore!
The way to see if it's a orginal deep H stem is when you see the little grooves in the alloy from the machining operations (under the chrome)!

maybe....maybe....

Early Trickstars had the deep H stem, but without the milling. Also, if you're fortunate enough to find it, there's a very specific Potts mod bolt by Hutch needed to convert the "race" deep H to a "freestyle" deep H.

Ended early at $280!!!!

Sha-moh!

So who is 66herbie? A member?

If the stem's gen, then he/she got a DEAL!

[ September 22, 2006, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: agentheinz ]

Odd that it ended early...I thought there was a HIGHER bidder, possible bid retraction? I think it was "rich" something or other...

There is a post on OS about the same auction. Looks like a bid got retracted and 66herbie won it. So if and when he receives the items I guess this topic will come up again to see if the stem is real or a repro.

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it's made to look like he don't know what any of that stuff is---just random bike junk.

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That's basically why I asked the question. Zero-feedback seller with a high-dollar item that just happens to be in a random pile of parts that just happens to be sitting in the garage for 20 years. But everything's spotless (except the Tuff chunk). Then again, maybe the seller's 100% legit, and the kid just took very good care of his stuff. It happens.