ahhhhh because I'm always the one to stir the pot according to many ...... what about the Johnny Chomper and CoastVD clowns that supplied and repro'd any and every bit they could Skyway, Mongoose SS bars and Bottemas and whatever else they did that slips me at present and they still run through the boards as if nothing ever happened, did they ever get back about the permission asked to both companies --- niether of which had one iota remorse or corcern or apology for the possiblities that they're actions could eventually lead to ....
just sayin ...
J Chopper never tried selling anything CLAIMING it was the real deal. Furthermore, the stuff he made (repo Skyway bars and repo Bottemas) has clear differences from the orginals. If someone can't tell the difference than they obviously don't know the product that well to begin with. The Sanderspeeds go as far as having the word HUTCH stamped into the crank arms.
Well, atleast we know they were only made in 180mm.
Careful Bedlam, you're going up against the foremost expert in everything.
Not to mention someone that cant be argued with or you shall be abused until you run out of town.
Just sayin...
Not to mention someone that cant be argued with or you shall be abused until you run out of town.
Just sayin...
wow!!!!!! this is amazing!
i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...
BTW, if somebody chooses to make a repro 26" Champion or 26" Landing Gear (1" threaded--duh) i'll buy and not tell a SOUL where i got it. seriously...
i love this stuff...
i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...i promise not to walk away from this board for more that 3 days ever again...
BTW, if somebody chooses to make a repro 26" Champion or 26" Landing Gear (1" threaded--duh) i'll buy and not tell a SOUL where i got it. seriously...
i love this stuff...
I'm looking for a repop of Vector forks....if someone knows where I can get some...If my memory serves me correctly...I think Scott from Kappa was making repops of the Hutch Aerospeeds and selling them for like 500.00. Nobody slanderd him for his repops. But his didnt have HUTCH engraved on the arms.
Hi Bedlam,
No worries...apology accepted.
No worries...apology accepted.
quote:Not the best thread to tell people your looking for repop stuff.
I'm looking for a repop of Vector forks....if someone knows where I can get some...If my memory serves me correctly...I think Scott from Kappa was making repops of the Hutch Aerospeeds and selling them for like 500.00. Nobody slanderd him for his repops. But his didnt have HUTCH engraved on the arms.
The Kappa Aerosports similarity ended at Kappa and Hutch having 5 letters in their names........
quote:Another of the "if they don't know any better oh well not my JOB to help out" crowd?
If someone can't tell the difference than they obviously don't know the product that well to begin with.
Kappa's cranks are kosher. They can't be mistaken for the real deal. It would be almost easier to make a set of cranks from scratch as it would to try to make Kappa's cranks look like OG Hutch.
"Sand 'n' Dirt" cranks are an out-and-out exact knockoff, regardless of the "differences" claimed. I'm no expert, but I look at the picture of the repros and to me, they look like Hutch Aerospeeds.
The scary part is, all you need to do these days is to send a set to China and a couple months later, a shipping container full of new Aerospeeds shows up at the dock...they could probably be made for less than $50 a set.
"Sand 'n' Dirt" cranks are an out-and-out exact knockoff, regardless of the "differences" claimed. I'm no expert, but I look at the picture of the repros and to me, they look like Hutch Aerospeeds.
The scary part is, all you need to do these days is to send a set to China and a couple months later, a shipping container full of new Aerospeeds shows up at the dock...they could probably be made for less than $50 a set.
DR Frankenripper......Hey that name is inspired by DR Frankenstein I think....Wasn't he trying to REPOP a human...Kinda makes u think of the irony...lol
lol love it!! nuke'n sanders nuts wouldnt make any diffrence cause he dont have the balls to speak up,as a matter of fact i bet his balls are smaller than than the balls in a headset ..
Iknew some one would come through with the name of his accomplance BIAGIO the other s.b.
Come on sanders whare the hell are my MCS decals,gotta be over a year or so....SANDER YOU ARE A FREAKIN LOOSER!!!!DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YA IN THE CAN ON YOUR WAY OUT!! Suicide would be a cowards way out!! Make good clown while you have a oppertuneity!! It doesnt matter what you got or how big your collection is,when you are a tool your a tool You cant change that! TOOL!
Iknew some one would come through with the name of his accomplance BIAGIO the other s.b.
Come on sanders whare the hell are my MCS decals,gotta be over a year or so....SANDER YOU ARE A FREAKIN LOOSER!!!!DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YA IN THE CAN ON YOUR WAY OUT!! Suicide would be a cowards way out!! Make good clown while you have a oppertuneity!! It doesnt matter what you got or how big your collection is,when you are a tool your a tool You cant change that! TOOL!
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If someone can't tell the difference than they obviously don't know the product that well to begin with.
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Yeah, whats that all about? Sounds pretty lame. I figured you for a better guy than that Bedlam.
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If someone can't tell the difference than they obviously don't know the product that well to begin with.
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Yeah, whats that all about? Sounds pretty lame. I figured you for a better guy than that Bedlam.
quote:That's the exact point I bring up every time I see a thread with an Aerospeed auction posted in it with a pair of questionable looking arms and a starting bid of 1700 bucks.
All this drama over a crankset that BITD would not last two weeks of racing/jumping.
Why do people seem so willing to pay so much today for a crankset that none of us would think of touching with a 10 foot pole BITD? I would'nt have traded my Takagi one-piecers for Aerospeeds back when I was racing. Aerospeeds practically broke if you looked at them the wrong way, much less if you actually put them on your bike and used them. That's why they are so damn rare, they were all either broken and thrown away, or returned in the recall and thrown away.
Now Redline Flite Cranks, on the other hand, are readily available today (cause they don't break) but you have to have a set of brand-blingy-new in the box single-pinchers to have anything worth any amount of cash. And even then, what? 300 bucks maybe? Flite cranks, you all know, were completely and utterly bulletproof. They totally changed the way we thought about cranks. Aerospeeds, on the other hand, were another knockoff product just like everything else that has a Hutch sticker on it, and they are worth a mint now for some strange reason.
quote:My point is JChoppers forks are a lot different than real Bottemas. Besides, I believe he actually DID get Bottemas approval on making his similiar forks.
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If someone can't tell the difference than they obviously don't know the product that well to begin with.
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Yeah, whats that all about? Sounds pretty lame. I figured you for a better guy than that Bedlam.
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This thread isn't about JC anyways, it's about Sander. I'm just tired of the JC bashing.. he's no different than Kappa. Sorry, enough about that! Lets get back on topic.
By the way, Sander was a post hoar on this thread until Alano posted the Sander ad... What gives?
Yeah, whatever happened to this idiot? I guess he's probably just trying to get all the necessary info to plead his case.
So Aerospeeds were stamped "Hutch" on both sides of the arm? Someone asked that before and I never saw an aswer. Aside from the metric/standard chainwheel bolt, is this extra stamping an indication of repro'd? Just curious. Sander's add (awesome job Alano!!) clearly shows it on Sanderspeeds.
theres differnces to those who know -- know this will get me repremanded -- but even the Supercross versions have caused headache and anguish, to some that consider themselves pretty knowledgable ..... but then you guys must not give 2 shhts about other people 'cause you's' have sooo much knowledge and because they didn't represent anything anyway, so then the next guy that does, well he must be the bad guy then right ?
hey Quick, remember how I said I thought you were alright till i began to notice you jumpin bandwagons --- well yeah --- and by the way, I never think of myself as any expert - but apparently you must associate me to being one, so I guess I am then - enjoy your little circle jerk bwoys'
[ September 06, 2006, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Dr.Frankenripper ]
hey Quick, remember how I said I thought you were alright till i began to notice you jumpin bandwagons --- well yeah --- and by the way, I never think of myself as any expert - but apparently you must associate me to being one, so I guess I am then - enjoy your little circle jerk bwoys'
[ September 06, 2006, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Dr.Frankenripper ]
by the way --- the name is a play on "dr.f" and "jack the rip"
I hack up the victims - and then - I piece them together the way I prefer .... theres no repro parts in the mix
I hack up the victims - and then - I piece them together the way I prefer .... theres no repro parts in the mix
in years to come your JC buddy issue will be not different then the Sander fiasco or the Hutch/Iowa scandal --- although some how Sander's got a way of sculpting out this labyrinth of intersections and dead end yarn spinning that only thinkens the story and ads to his legend --- the boy is mad ..... (whats this now like episode 4 or something, can someone check if he took his meds, please)
so what then, its been done already, so then nothing is sacred i guess huh ? sorry fellas every act is worse then the last, as the infection grows and expands .......
so what then, its been done already, so then nothing is sacred i guess huh ? sorry fellas every act is worse then the last, as the infection grows and expands .......
whew, feel better now Doc?
ehh ...
quote:I think you meant KAPPA, right? Those are a lot different.. profile bottom bracket, etc., and not marked hutch in any way.
but even the Supercross versions have caused headache and anguish,
quote:I think the Good DR was refering to the Bottema forks Supercross did.
I think you meant KAPPA, right? Those are a lot different.. profile bottom bracket, etc., and not marked hutch in any way.
12 pages! I must've missed all this the first time around.
Hey Sander got anything for sale?
Looking for some balck Oakley .5s or B2s.
Don't need Aerospeeds.
Looking for some balck Oakley .5s or B2s.
Don't need Aerospeeds.
quote:No Mark, I see you as someone who shoots first and asks questions later. Your attacks on People are aggressive and excessive. Like you, I am stating my opinion, you are entitled to have one as am I. But I think that words you use and personal things you drag into an argument detract from the actual discussion.
hey Quick, remember how I said I thought you were alright till i began to notice you jumpin bandwagons --- well yeah --- and by the way, I never think of myself as any expert - but apparently you must associate me to being one, so I guess I am then - enjoy your little circle jerk bwoys'
My previous post, as sarcastic as it was, was simply stating that, not starting a riot.
yeah, whatever ....
Ok this is getting so NUTS Every Bike co. in the WOLD takes a style from another co. for years!!!!It's all about THE CASH just plain and simple to big bis. and small bis. too. It's so sad to SEE this because we as the consumer Pay the cash and then they go out of bis. do to a bad product. WE need to move on build the bike with what ever parts are there REPO or NOS and get out on your Streets and Dirt or even MT and Roads and Ride A Bike and have Fun in Life just plain and simple
This is nutz ! but it makes some good reading...lol
BMX HARDCORE DRAMA! lol.. I love this site.......
SANDER COME OUT AND PLAY.....
SANDER COME OUT AND PLAYY.....
SANDER COME OUT AND PLAYYY.....
we want to buy some cranks eh eh eh .....
you makea da cranks ua forgeta?
BMX HARDCORE DRAMA! lol.. I love this site.......
SANDER COME OUT AND PLAY.....
SANDER COME OUT AND PLAYY.....
SANDER COME OUT AND PLAYYY.....
we want to buy some cranks eh eh eh .....
you makea da cranks ua forgeta?
Now that is Crazy
This thread is delicious!
personally i think sander is a money hungry criminal, who,s to say that he aint repring the jmc bars and seatposts he sells, if he can repro aerospeeds he can definitely put a jmc cap on a post.
at the end of the day guys, repo stuff is a part of everything.
how did all these bmx bikes evolve?
the answer is that other companies stole ideas from one another.
and last but not least
we cant keep wiping the noses of the guys that arent educated, if you want to buy something "RESEARCH" it first or you will only have yourself to blame.
nobody else is accountable for your own stupidity.
i am not saying that its ok to deceive people but you have to safeguard yourself because no one else will.
at the end of the day guys, repo stuff is a part of everything.
how did all these bmx bikes evolve?
the answer is that other companies stole ideas from one another.
and last but not least
we cant keep wiping the noses of the guys that arent educated, if you want to buy something "RESEARCH" it first or you will only have yourself to blame.
nobody else is accountable for your own stupidity.
i am not saying that its ok to deceive people but you have to safeguard yourself because no one else will.
quote:I have a confession to make. I was told by a reliable source a while back that Sander owns one of the original JMC logo metal stamp thingees.
who,s to say that he aint repring the jmc bars and seatposts he sells
i know exactly where the JMC stamp is ... i owned it for a long time .... it is in good hands and will not be used for repops.. sander does not have .....
JOdYC
JOdYC
cool, thanks for clearing that up.
quote:You might know where THAT one is, but that means nothing...
i know exactly where the JMC stamp is
If you can re-pop parts - why can't you re-pop a stamp?
I have several that are customs - they are my last name in several different fonts, I use them to "sign" the blades that I forge. They cost me about 60 bucks or so each. All I had to do was send them a drawing of what I wanted.
It would be real easy to have a stamp made that is similar enough to the original JMC stamp to pass all but the most intense scrutiny...
Ok people...it's time........
What current Ebay name/names does he go under now so those of us that do not know can keep a look out for him?
OK now this topic is going to start RE_POP war I'f they can do it with Cars what is the dif.with Bike parts,stickers,shirts, pads sets or frames! My mind if people want it,then some one makes the dam thing and they SELL it for $$$$$ BUT IT was not made co. like BITD it is the year 2006 NOT 1970,or 1980,85 so it needs the make on the dang thing so NO person gets the Shaft. Some peeps here DONOT DONOT like re-poo JUNK so they don't buy! But there are people who just DONOT give a Crap and they get what they want just plain and simple! If you want NOS you can get it for a price if you want re-po you can get it for a price that is called business. This is going to go on for ever!
quote:So does Sander. 2nd drawer to the right. Next to the Hutch one
i know exactly where the JMC stamp is
ooh, now this is getting good. do tell reilley.
or was you just poking fun?
or was you just poking fun?
yeah and your point is .... theres laws against copy right infringement and theres people out to try and stop bootlegging and conterfeiting everyday ---- so the fact that it ain't gonna stop, because where theres money to be made/had, cons will be there to exploit, means its okay in your book so just look the other way ---- its not called business, its called counterfeiting
now the difference between this hobby and any other (which for the most part shares the same issues/problems) is that this is still a young and growing hobby and we are the pioneers of it and if we make an effort to nip things at the bud, "we" can maintain a certain degree of control and non-acceptance of having "our" little passion get spoiled and corrupted --- yeah may sound abit overblwon in the eyes of some saracastic wise-*** that will choose to attack the sentiment --- but "we", have and will, continue to should the need arise, cause many of us more purist collectors (and not your ordinary fly by night horder) care far to much to have the sincerity of the hobby lost to the few lazy or greedy individuals that don't honestly grasp the intensity of possibilty that can come from all the deception, because they are so selfffish as to only be concerned with they're own personal satisfaction.
now the difference between this hobby and any other (which for the most part shares the same issues/problems) is that this is still a young and growing hobby and we are the pioneers of it and if we make an effort to nip things at the bud, "we" can maintain a certain degree of control and non-acceptance of having "our" little passion get spoiled and corrupted --- yeah may sound abit overblwon in the eyes of some saracastic wise-*** that will choose to attack the sentiment --- but "we", have and will, continue to should the need arise, cause many of us more purist collectors (and not your ordinary fly by night horder) care far to much to have the sincerity of the hobby lost to the few lazy or greedy individuals that don't honestly grasp the intensity of possibilty that can come from all the deception, because they are so selfffish as to only be concerned with they're own personal satisfaction.
I wish someone would repop some 20x2.125 Goodyear Eagle and Carlisle Aggressor tires, I'd buy those all day long!
True drama!!!! this is going to go to 100000 pages Go Reilley and v8ute its better drama then TV any day of the time
If you look at the classic car restoration hobby---more specifically the MUSCLE car segment---repro parts are available so these cars can be properly restored, and that's fine. The same should apply to bikes. But like the car hobby, the parts shoud be manufactured so that they cannot be passed off as NOS by an unscrupulous entity.
Helix stems, Kappa "Aerospeeds"...this is the stuff that should be made for us, but not parts like the "Sanderspeeds" which could fool just about anyone! Same goes for bogus Nomuras, SE cruiser bars, etc. That sums up my opinion.
Anything can be made---just surf the 'net and you'll find Chinese "Rolex" watches that are exact down to the laser etched crown on the crystal and the hologram sticker on the back. I've seen 'em with lookalike movements, serial numbers and correct markings on the INSIDE of the case back! Scary.
As for the repop tires---that would be kosher, provided they were marked as such. Like molded into the sidewall---subtle, but definitely there.
[ September 07, 2006, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: agentheinz ]
Helix stems, Kappa "Aerospeeds"...this is the stuff that should be made for us, but not parts like the "Sanderspeeds" which could fool just about anyone! Same goes for bogus Nomuras, SE cruiser bars, etc. That sums up my opinion.
Anything can be made---just surf the 'net and you'll find Chinese "Rolex" watches that are exact down to the laser etched crown on the crystal and the hologram sticker on the back. I've seen 'em with lookalike movements, serial numbers and correct markings on the INSIDE of the case back! Scary.
As for the repop tires---that would be kosher, provided they were marked as such. Like molded into the sidewall---subtle, but definitely there.
[ September 07, 2006, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: agentheinz ]
Look at the crate Camaro they did that thing if it was going down the street you would think it was like the one from BITD Now Ford is going to do a crate 1970 mustang Its all for the sport of the Build and hands on guys! Show it build it and Ride or drive it the way you like it
It's like anything collectable, the items that bring the most money are the things that are being repopped, as long as silly money will be paid for some items someone will make money repopping those items.
the retros you speak of are all cataloged serial vin. etc ---- they are tracable ---- smaller venue with bikes and easier to exploit
I collectable authenticity and I ride it just the same .....
I collectable authenticity and I ride it just the same .....
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