http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

rick..........
am i missing something. the link takes you back to the same first page.

oh wait i see it now under the previous< next>
option.

is it active though?

It's so y'all can see where the new forum is located on the main page (after off topic, above classifieds). A lot of folks have specific forums bookmarked and rarely see the main page.

oh man....

here we go.

alright..move along...move along...

Can I talk about myself?

Exactly, Tim.

Large hail, and damaging winds in the forecast....Should have been a weather man eh Tim?

Hurricane, "Parcel"?

Tropical storm, "Purchase"?

I say we leave Tim the honors of naming this storm....

At least it may quarantine it all.....~~~~~shrug~~~~~

I feel a few non-registered members (booted) will be forming from this....i know OS does this also... Hey...cool idea... just hope it doesn't get abused.

But then again....having a forum of shame...and a forum for some great guys will maybe seperate the men from the boys....

I wish it good luck...hope it all goes as planned


Jon

With all due respect Im not sure how this could work. The first words you read are in bold text and they say "this is not a trash talk forum"............

How can it not turn into that? Anyone whos accused of something will usually turn it into a bigger mess whether or not right or not right.

I know its important to get the message out about scams and frauds but it usually cannot be done with out an arguement, hurt feelings, anger, verbal attacks, threats, ect. I dont agree with that thinking it just seems to be that way.

Yep...people with axes to grind (justified or not) will surely flood the "bad" forum. And it's the same people over and over again...

i asked for a forum to be put up for good traders & sellers

was never expecting the bad tradders posting to be posted

that is a can of worms that will have to be watched very carefully

Business is cut and dry.

Wether you like me or not, nobody that has done business with me since I joined this place can say anything bad about my business practices. I pack/ship properly and quickly.

I'm not a bank, I don't need to hold onto people's money. If people have done the right thing in the past, and, don't behave like 2 year old egomaniacs, then they should have nothing to worry about.

To me E-bay is a last resort, I prefer to buy/sell/trade within this community than outside of it.

This place has needed this for a while now. Now it will be very easy to distinguish a true seller from a fraud. There will be no more room for people that stiff people on deals, yet come on here and PW and wanna act like social butterflies.

85 trickstar.........
point is you cant let someone drag someone else through the mud WITHOUT hearing both sides of the story. It all works together. For example, this is not true of course but you get the idea.

RANDY sold me a frame that was cracked, i got screwed on the deal, he charged me 200 bucks and i got this piece of junk.

Now, of course this is hypothetical and im just making stuff up but see, randy would need to respond. It would be his right to.

Granted, people can usually sort through things themselves but when this sort of stuff happens it usually get ugly.

RANDY did that? Oh man, gotta stay away from that guy for sure!!

How about those repro bangos you sold me?

I'm kidding on both but it reinforces Tone's point that it's easy to go on a slippery slope with a one-sided accusation

[ August 07, 2006, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Reilley1 ]

all a "good guy" forum will prove is that somebody did a good deal with YOU. they may have scammed a dozen other guys you don't know about. or in some cases, don't care about.

bad guy forum without ability to respond to criticism? ouch.

i recommended a new forum where people could whine about eBay and put the crap about "its been 6 days since i paid...", "the guy hasn't emailed me in a week", "anybody know who ebayer xxx is?" - just to get it out of the vintagetalk forum.

That's another great point. One of the much maligned (justifiably so) guys in the sport, has helped me out a couple of times. So even the "good" guy forum becomes moot.

Besides, some people just love drama and will talk smack just for the heck of it

TONE, I understand that people have old beefs, and, axes to grind. And that a one-sided argument can be detrimental to a members reputation and/or membership.

The truth is, that people tend to know who is who around here anyway, even before the feedback forums were introduced. And anyone that slings unjustified mud will pay dearly in the end, one way or another. This we all know.

So this will only solidify the members that are in good standing with the community. I can think of dozen guys from vintage that I'd buy a part from sight unseen based on their description of it.

I can also think of a few members I wouldn't trust any further then I can throw them, but since they've never kept my money/parts, I'm in no position to slander them. Maybe now some of those "skeletons" will come out of the closet.

And just because someone is a long time member, is popular within his most frequented forum, and/or, has a stellar collection. It will no longer be an excuse for irresponsibility.

Lets face it, we have a little bit of everything here, but for the most part we're all a bunch of thirtysomethings, with careers/families, etc. looking to relive our childhood in this hobby.

We now splurge on the bikes we couldn't afford BITD, and sometimes restore one of our childhood bikes. I mean seriously, how many kids did you know growing up that had 20 NOS bikes?

I've come accross some well established, long time members that acted as if they were doing me a favor by talking to me, and/or selling me something.

That sort of egotism is unecessary (I mean c'mon it's just BMX bikes), and, hopefully these feedback forums will level the playing field for all those who approach this hobby with good faith.

For the record...I'm not behind this...

But, I have taken the heat on os-bmx because I don't the bad deals or scammers to be outted.

I was scammed once, by a very well known person who no longer is alive. But I never said a word about until now because I'd be crucified by the defenders of his honor.

See where this is going? There is no good place for airing the dirty laundry.

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This place has needed this for a while now. Now it will be very easy to distinguish a true seller from a fraud. There will be no more room for people that stiff people on deals, yet come on here and PW and wanna act like social butterflies.

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WORD!!!!

There's a sea of deals on-and-off this website and chat, and other sites, and plenty more ebay crap that we need solid participation to discover any patterns. The community will be better for it. How many predators large and small crossover on and off all the sites maximizing their earning potential?

The posts there now are exactly what we envisioned happening. It's pretty cut and dry if someone took your money or traded you bunk as mint or fake as original, or simply not shipped at all. How about all those people with fake stuff sold to them as NOS rise up and SAY SOMETHING.

Until then... I/we/you have no clue how large the problem really is.

C'mon Tim, who has stolen from you? Step up brotha!

The only pattern we might see is that human beings like to tell stories instead of saying I don't have a tracking ID and the item was lost in the mail. In which case there should be a full refund. Tracking numbers don't lie. There should be a forum for wacky stuff that happens to your purchase before reaching you. Flood, Fires, Acts of God. Some of the excuses would be hysterical.

For instance, that poor felow who sent his DB out for repair and after a long while got it back in a little box. Cut into pieces. That story should be in there. I know who did it (and that person still actively jaunts around on boards), but forgot who that happened to. It will be excellent reading. Bonus points for pictures.

The only ones worried about the new forum (pointed at nobody in particular, honest) are.. well.. you know..