Full Version: Repop alert!
This is true but he does have them listed as replicas and admits to making them. I agree with what your saying also, I think something repoped should have some kinda marking.
Did the originals have knurling and stamping?
The originals do have two knurling stripes. I'll get a picture of mine this weekend.
- Bob
- Bob
I buy alot of stuff from good ol Johnny Chopper Chop!! he's a-okay.. plus he's from OZ.. A_U_S_T !!!!!
All good here..
All good here..
Oh no.. this sucks..
Keep them in AUSTRALIA
quote:My collection just lost half it's value..
NOTE: I'm just now finishing a short run of Kos Kruiser and Mongoose 20" S/S replica bars also. Put your order in now before you miss out. Please email me for enquiries. Thanks for looking & good luck!
Keep them in AUSTRALIA
PS: if his has the maurice stamp and the stainless steel text, then I hope mongoose sues him.
If they don't have any stampings, then I don't have any problem with them, because there will be no mistaking the fakes.
If they don't have any stampings, then I don't have any problem with them, because there will be no mistaking the fakes.
They're close, but a moderately knowledgeable collector will be able to discern those from the originals, esp. the Mongoose bars where the origs have the stampings. It does bring forth (again) the need for maintaining integrity when making repros of anything.
[ April 28, 2006, 11:02 AM: Message edited by: agentheinz ]
[ April 28, 2006, 11:02 AM: Message edited by: agentheinz ]
I see nothing wrong here.... and the seller is a class act guy.
They are stainless steel and the Skyways were chromoly!
They are stainless steel and the Skyways were chromoly!
One more thing.... hold a magnet up to the replicas and it won't stick.
Once they make the rounds and those without integrity get a hold of them and don't inform the newbs they get sold to, it will all be ok till then because us moderately knowledgeable collectors won't be the ones getting the shaft. Or maybe we will get the shaft since not all of us are up to speed of the intricacies of all the different brands/years/models.
But it's ok because he's a good guy and some of us know the differences and those who don't, oh well!
But it's ok because he's a good guy and some of us know the differences and those who don't, oh well!
I believe none of these will be stamped in anyway, so if he were to advertise them as just "bmx bars"
I doubt it would make a difference. He's probably adding in the "identical to the origonal" because they cost him money to do and wants some back.
I bought some chrome bars of US ebay last year, no stamping no knurling and the seller said they have no idea what they are but I like them and they are very compfortable and they were only $35US shipped
I doubt it would make a difference. He's probably adding in the "identical to the origonal" because they cost him money to do and wants some back.
I bought some chrome bars of US ebay last year, no stamping no knurling and the seller said they have no idea what they are but I like them and they are very compfortable and they were only $35US shipped
This is all well and good, but why cant these people pop out something more usefull, like snakebellies?
Who knows it may get top dollar if they are rare. With repros getting what originals go for ,gives alot of incentive to these repopers. I was astounded to see what these repoped SE cruiser bars got. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
Hey, when the money is in the hobby, the reproductions will come out. It's a good thing in that it allows more people to enjoy the hobby at a reasonable price. The car hobby has been like this for years. If he gets license to do the "official" reproductions, it costs more, the product LOOKS 100% correct, but the increase in price is passed down to the consumer, so it's really a catch 22.
I've seen a lot of aftermarket car parts that look 100% that I'd rather have since they are engineered better anyway, like those bars. I guess it's just part of the hobby.
I've seen a lot of aftermarket car parts that look 100% that I'd rather have since they are engineered better anyway, like those bars. I guess it's just part of the hobby.
quote:Am I missing something here?
hold a magnet up to the replicas and it won't stick.
Or do magnets not stick to steel anymore?
Well, I know that is what they say to do when shopping for a Stainless steel refridgerator or a SS barbecue grill, they say bring a magnet and if it doesn't stick then it's SS, however, you make a good point, I'm not sure it works this way on handlebars.. the refridgerators looked like brushed aluminum for lack of a better descriptor and I'm sure it's a paper thin sheet of stainless layed over-top of fiberglass or something.
But regardless of whether or not the magnet trick works, I don't know about you, but I don't normally carry a magnet around with me when I'm at swap meets. And I certainly don't have one that will work for e-bay purchases.
I forget who said it, but someone on the first page made a really good point. Maybe the first owners will know it's repro, and maybe the second.. but somewhere down the line when someone puts it on e-bay, someone will casually forget to mention it, and if they are ever called on it, they will simply say, "I didn't say they were real, and I didn't say they were repro, you simply made assumptions.. your fault for not asking questions. Didn't you see the part in my auction that states "SOLD AS IS.. ASK QUESTIONS" ??"
What is the first thing people wonder about when they see an SE with bling bling perfect looking SE bars on it?
But before the SE bar repro debacle, no one had to wonder at all.. they were all legit.
What do people think when they see an Aerospeed disc now?
But regardless of whether or not the magnet trick works, I don't know about you, but I don't normally carry a magnet around with me when I'm at swap meets. And I certainly don't have one that will work for e-bay purchases.
I forget who said it, but someone on the first page made a really good point. Maybe the first owners will know it's repro, and maybe the second.. but somewhere down the line when someone puts it on e-bay, someone will casually forget to mention it, and if they are ever called on it, they will simply say, "I didn't say they were real, and I didn't say they were repro, you simply made assumptions.. your fault for not asking questions. Didn't you see the part in my auction that states "SOLD AS IS.. ASK QUESTIONS" ??"
quote:Of course you like the idea, because you don't have two sets of authentic Kos bars, and 4 sets of authentic mongoose SS bars that will called into question later.
Hey, when the money is in the hobby, the reproductions will come out. It's a good thing in that it allows more people to enjoy the hobby at a reasonable price. (...)
I've seen a lot of aftermarket car parts that look 100% that I'd rather have since they are engineered better anyway, like those bars. I guess it's just part of the hobby.
What is the first thing people wonder about when they see an SE with bling bling perfect looking SE bars on it?
But before the SE bar repro debacle, no one had to wonder at all.. they were all legit.
What do people think when they see an Aerospeed disc now?
I understand how everyone feels about repops. I have read all about the debacle with the SE bars and Hutch discs.
Johnny Chopper (not his real name) was a factory Skyway rider back in the 80's down here. He knows whats what in this game too. He is also a member here. These bars will be made with quality in mind for sure. He is in the metal fab game I believe. I'm sure JC is just making these because he can and down here I think they will sell.
Johnny Chopper (not his real name) was a factory Skyway rider back in the 80's down here. He knows whats what in this game too. He is also a member here. These bars will be made with quality in mind for sure. He is in the metal fab game I believe. I'm sure JC is just making these because he can and down here I think they will sell.
quality is not the issue, authenticity, antiquity and official licensing is.
Repop=HorseCrap! If they ain't marked someone will get the high hard one someday! And as Astro said, If I currently have an authentic set, it just dropped off in value, both $$$ and personally.
I ain't got nothin he is making and never will want the originals of his repops, but as a community if you ok it someones gonna get burnt.
So if you say it's all good, I have several sets of NOS blah blah macallits on the way! What are you looking for?
I ain't got nothin he is making and never will want the originals of his repops, but as a community if you ok it someones gonna get burnt.
So if you say it's all good, I have several sets of NOS blah blah macallits on the way! What are you looking for?
I dont see what the hassle is, I needed a set of cruiser bars for my latest project and couldnt find KOS bars, so I got some cruiser bars in atrade, and guess what? They are not stamped but I i'll tell you right now they are from BITD and NOT re-pops.
So does that mean I was ripped off? Did I just lower the price of all cruiser bars because I dont know what brand these are?
I have a pair of origonal skyway bars and had to peel off the sticker to get them rechromed, so now no sticker. Does that mean they're not authentic? Most people out there wouldnt know the difference.
And trust me, if someone wants the real thing with the mongoose stamp on it, they will pay for it.
So does that mean I was ripped off? Did I just lower the price of all cruiser bars because I dont know what brand these are?
I have a pair of origonal skyway bars and had to peel off the sticker to get them rechromed, so now no sticker. Does that mean they're not authentic? Most people out there wouldnt know the difference.
And trust me, if someone wants the real thing with the mongoose stamp on it, they will pay for it.
i say who cares?
they are not stamped so i dont see anything wrong with them.
especially when the originals were chromo and not ss.
they seem to me to be more of a new pair of bars rather than "repops",i mean just because they are the same shape doesnt mean the dude is trying to pass them off as oldschool bars
did anyone know that s&m slam bars are repops of gt bars
my point is,as long as something isnt being stamped or labeled something it isnt,then i dont see a problem with it.
they are not stamped so i dont see anything wrong with them.
especially when the originals were chromo and not ss.
they seem to me to be more of a new pair of bars rather than "repops",i mean just because they are the same shape doesnt mean the dude is trying to pass them off as oldschool bars
did anyone know that s&m slam bars are repops of gt bars
my point is,as long as something isnt being stamped or labeled something it isnt,then i dont see a problem with it.
Maybe this hobby is too small to support an aftermarket for reproductions. In comparison to the muscle car hobby, reproduction parts have been a blessing. The reproduction parts have enabled people to restore what once were unrestorable parts cars, hence adding to the value of a car.
I agree, something being re-popped should be licensed. If it is a licensed reproduction, then the consumer can rest assured that the product is as good or better than the original part, and offers some level of legitimacy. The downside is that the license to reproduce a part is expensive. Often the reproduction part costs as much as the original parts sell for.
This guy might not have a license, but at least he isn't trying to pull one over on anyone and hasn't stolen anyone's logo or name like some people who make decals or stems or ...
I agree, something being re-popped should be licensed. If it is a licensed reproduction, then the consumer can rest assured that the product is as good or better than the original part, and offers some level of legitimacy. The downside is that the license to reproduce a part is expensive. Often the reproduction part costs as much as the original parts sell for.
This guy might not have a license, but at least he isn't trying to pull one over on anyone and hasn't stolen anyone's logo or name like some people who make decals or stems or ...
DID someone quote Kossy bars for sale? dude.. I need 4!! to complete my Kossy's I don't care I want them now... gimme gimme kossy bars... Thank god he's in AUST.. cheaper shipping and I wont get ripped off like most US evil ebayers have in the passt
the "I WANT..." and "I NEED..." crowd at work again.
"i can't find/afford original parts so let's make repros!"
the problem will always be that there are really TWO distinct hobbies in this community, with wildly different goals.
Hobby #1 > the "collectors" - guys looking for bits of history to acquire and preserve.
Hobby #2 > the "builders" - guys looking to have cool oldschool looking bikes. don't care if they are original or not - just so they look vintage.
[ April 28, 2006, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
"i can't find/afford original parts so let's make repros!"
the problem will always be that there are really TWO distinct hobbies in this community, with wildly different goals.
Hobby #1 > the "collectors" - guys looking for bits of history to acquire and preserve.
Hobby #2 > the "builders" - guys looking to have cool oldschool looking bikes. don't care if they are original or not - just so they look vintage.
[ April 28, 2006, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
i might also note for osamaie....
2. the guy is selling brand new bars that look like KOS bars.
3. your KOS cruisers will not be complete until you get original, vintage KOS bars.
4. lookalikes are no better than off-the-shelf bars available in bike shops all over the world, unless of course you are looking to fool either yourself or others into thinking you have KOS bars on your bikes as you ride by.
quote:1. the guy has no "KOS" bars for sale.
DID someone quote Kossy bars for sale? dude.. I need 4!! to complete my Kossy's
2. the guy is selling brand new bars that look like KOS bars.
3. your KOS cruisers will not be complete until you get original, vintage KOS bars.
4. lookalikes are no better than off-the-shelf bars available in bike shops all over the world, unless of course you are looking to fool either yourself or others into thinking you have KOS bars on your bikes as you ride by.
and lastly....
there is nothing quite so bumming than to search high and low for YEARS to find that rare part that has virtually disappeared except for magazine ads, then after finding one and getting all excited and jazzed to finally have one have some nimrod decide he needs them too and repop not only one for himself but "help out the bros" by ripping off 100's of them for sale.
it only takes one guy to take a supercool rarity and turn it into an "everybody's got them" yawner.
Speedo pads come to mind this week. Oops! did i say that?
[ April 28, 2006, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
there is nothing quite so bumming than to search high and low for YEARS to find that rare part that has virtually disappeared except for magazine ads, then after finding one and getting all excited and jazzed to finally have one have some nimrod decide he needs them too and repop not only one for himself but "help out the bros" by ripping off 100's of them for sale.
it only takes one guy to take a supercool rarity and turn it into an "everybody's got them" yawner.
Speedo pads come to mind this week. Oops! did i say that?
[ April 28, 2006, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
HEY timbo.. is this repo?
hahaha...
hahaha...
I'd like some reproduction tires. You know, some that aren't dry rotted. Tires that I can RIDE. and I want them 100% correct from the outside, mark the inside of the tire as a repop. Anyone listening???
Comp III's, Snakebelly tires in 26", Haro tires too.
Comp III's, Snakebelly tires in 26", Haro tires too.
quote:Maybe not, but:
HEY timbo.. is this repo?
quote:you have just brought it into question any future deals anyone does with you, and made yourself to look like a boogerhead at the same time.
DID someone quote Kossy bars for sale? dude.. I need 4!! to complete my Kossy's [Wink] I don't care I want them now... gimme gimme kossy bars... Thank god he's in AUST.. cheaper shipping and I wont get ripped off like most US evil ebayers have in the passt
[ April 29, 2006, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: DMG ]
hey, i can think of dozens of very cool old school bmx items i don't currently have... many rare parts and accessories. but i'd never consider owning a repro of one of them. i'd rather not own one at all. the fun is in the hunt & making the deal.
scenario to chew on..
Museum #1 has the best collection of Matisse paintings in the world.
Museum #2 has only 2 Matisses.
Museums #3 - #27 have none. should these museums have Louey paint up a bunch of Matisse knockoffs in the basement and hang 'em in their galleries for their patrons to look at?
scenario to chew on..
Museum #1 has the best collection of Matisse paintings in the world.
Museum #2 has only 2 Matisses.
Museums #3 - #27 have none. should these museums have Louey paint up a bunch of Matisse knockoffs in the basement and hang 'em in their galleries for their patrons to look at?
quote:Hobby #3> Me..
Hobby #1 > the "collectors" - guys looking for bits of history to acquire and preserve.
Hobby #2 > the "builders" - guys looking to have cool oldschool looking bikes. don't care if they are original or not - just so they look vintage.
I showed DAN my new LRV build and told him about the mismatched crank arms. He responded "Your signature move"
The classic response of the weekend at Roseville
Cracked me up....
[ April 28, 2006, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Reilley1 ]
Tim, it's great that you can remain a purist, I envy you for that.
Popular bike parts from BITD were copied all the time, why is it any different if during your search, you have to sort through OLD copy parts along with a few new ones, are you afraid you won't be able to tell the difference all of a sudden?
Paintings are copied all the time, so is music, clothing, furniture, and even Schwinn Stingrays!
I agree that there is nothing like an original bike, or an original part. I enjoy showing off a cool trick part today more than when I was a smaller kid.
Eventually all the cool, rare bikes and parts will be hoarded into personal museums or collections or simply used up by those that choose to ride the bikes they have. When this happens, someone will see the demand and start to reproduce these bikes and parts. I'd go so far as to say someday they will make a repop Redline or Mongoose, sell it in limited numbers and collectors will pay top dollar for these things.
[ April 29, 2006, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: gts340 ]
Popular bike parts from BITD were copied all the time, why is it any different if during your search, you have to sort through OLD copy parts along with a few new ones, are you afraid you won't be able to tell the difference all of a sudden?
Paintings are copied all the time, so is music, clothing, furniture, and even Schwinn Stingrays!
I agree that there is nothing like an original bike, or an original part. I enjoy showing off a cool trick part today more than when I was a smaller kid.
Eventually all the cool, rare bikes and parts will be hoarded into personal museums or collections or simply used up by those that choose to ride the bikes they have. When this happens, someone will see the demand and start to reproduce these bikes and parts. I'd go so far as to say someday they will make a repop Redline or Mongoose, sell it in limited numbers and collectors will pay top dollar for these things.
[ April 29, 2006, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: gts340 ]
Down here in Australia, we copy everything. Our malvern star and speedwell frames are copies of Redline mxII's and our quicksilvers are mongoose copies (directly off a mongoose too!) What about the Bottema forks sold on this site? I think they are cool parts and I'd buy them. I would not buy something thats passed off as something it's not. Not intentionally anyway. Thats where this whole story comes to head. So long as they are told of the copy and they are slightly different in some way, theres no problem. If a true collector knows his stuff, he'll pick it straight away. As someone said, car parts are reproduced all day everyday. Most classics have some part thats a repro.
I'mm sure if JC was informed nicley about the concerns, he might stamp them as Copies just to keep the masses happy.
How many CW bars have you seen copies of lately?
I'mm sure if JC was informed nicley about the concerns, he might stamp them as Copies just to keep the masses happy.
How many CW bars have you seen copies of lately?
Go ahead, ask me why I'll never spend $5,000 on a Rolex watch...
Well it's simple, everytime people saw it, they would automagically *know* that it was a $15 flea market watch (even though it actually cost me 5 grand). So something that used to be a sign of affluence and prestige, is now the exact opposite. Something tacky and fake looking..
Just like when I see a woman with what looks like a $500 chanel purse, or a gucci wallet, I assume it's fake because I see them at every other booth at the local flea market.
Sure, if you don't have the means to legally acquire a gucci, or a rolex, you might be inclined to buy a counterfeit one off the black market. And you might even convince yourself that it's a good thing.. they are filling a niche. That's is dandy for you, the guy wearing flip-flops, bermuda shorts and a fake rolex, but not dandy for the guy who actually spent $5,000 for his watch. Because now his is devalued, and doesn't bring the dignity and honor that it used to. Now he is just seen as "tacky". fair?
Make any sense what-so-ever?
Well it's simple, everytime people saw it, they would automagically *know* that it was a $15 flea market watch (even though it actually cost me 5 grand). So something that used to be a sign of affluence and prestige, is now the exact opposite. Something tacky and fake looking..
Just like when I see a woman with what looks like a $500 chanel purse, or a gucci wallet, I assume it's fake because I see them at every other booth at the local flea market.
Sure, if you don't have the means to legally acquire a gucci, or a rolex, you might be inclined to buy a counterfeit one off the black market. And you might even convince yourself that it's a good thing.. they are filling a niche. That's is dandy for you, the guy wearing flip-flops, bermuda shorts and a fake rolex, but not dandy for the guy who actually spent $5,000 for his watch. Because now his is devalued, and doesn't bring the dignity and honor that it used to. Now he is just seen as "tacky". fair?
Make any sense what-so-ever?
Point taken Astro. I know what your saying. This debate will never go away. I personally won't buy them. I don't need them and I never will. I can understand why it upsets the serious collectors though.
to be honest, there's something sad about people who will carry around a fake Gucci or Louis Vuitton bag or wear a fake Rolex.
who they think they're fooling? those items are a sign of wealth. nobody in the subdivision is gonna be fooled. ya just look foolish, and the sad part is that they feel the need so strongly to fake wealth.
i was watching a show about vintage Ferraris and other rare cars and the Pebble Beach Concourse held each year. Jay Leno made a little speech about being humbled, being the only millionaire in a crowd of billionaires, and his cars being buckets compared to many of the $10,000,000 sole survivors present.
i've said it before. i'd kill for a '50s vintage $1,000,000+ Ferrari. ain't never gonna happen though, and it takes nothing away from my enjoyment of staring at those cars and learning all i can about them.
somebody please explain in black and white language the personal need to have all things bmx, even if they must settle for reproduction stuff to get it.
why do you need to have reproduction Speedo pads on your bike if you can't find affordable originals?
why do you need to have reproduction SE cruiser bars on your bike if you can't find affordable originals?
who they think they're fooling? those items are a sign of wealth. nobody in the subdivision is gonna be fooled. ya just look foolish, and the sad part is that they feel the need so strongly to fake wealth.
i was watching a show about vintage Ferraris and other rare cars and the Pebble Beach Concourse held each year. Jay Leno made a little speech about being humbled, being the only millionaire in a crowd of billionaires, and his cars being buckets compared to many of the $10,000,000 sole survivors present.
i've said it before. i'd kill for a '50s vintage $1,000,000+ Ferrari. ain't never gonna happen though, and it takes nothing away from my enjoyment of staring at those cars and learning all i can about them.
somebody please explain in black and white language the personal need to have all things bmx, even if they must settle for reproduction stuff to get it.
why do you need to have reproduction Speedo pads on your bike if you can't find affordable originals?
why do you need to have reproduction SE cruiser bars on your bike if you can't find affordable originals?
I think the reason that so many of us get hot under the collar about this issue, can be summed up in one question:
"Why should your lack of funds, your impatience, and your mizerly ways, bring discredit, unwarranted suspicion and loss of value upon my hard-earned, blood, sweat and tears Kos Kruiser?"
The SS bars this guy is making may not be stamped, but the early SS bars did not yet have the maurice stamp (or was it the later SS bars? I'm thinking it was '79 bars.. I have one that is unstamped, but has the decal, and 3 that are stamped), and besides that, when someone has a gold stem and a vinyl pad on it, it can easily pass for the real thing no matter what.
I'm sure he's already made up his mind, and I'm sure by this time next year Australia will be infested with repro bars of all sorts, to the point where you once thought it was cool, now you will always have to wonder if the guy is telling you the truth when you are about to shell out $500 for "authentic" Kos bars. Just be careful what you wish for.. you might just get it.
I think I should take a picture of all my mongoose bars next to a dated newspaper so I can prove in the future that mine were acquired before the "flood".
sheesh..
"Why should your lack of funds, your impatience, and your mizerly ways, bring discredit, unwarranted suspicion and loss of value upon my hard-earned, blood, sweat and tears Kos Kruiser?"
The SS bars this guy is making may not be stamped, but the early SS bars did not yet have the maurice stamp (or was it the later SS bars? I'm thinking it was '79 bars.. I have one that is unstamped, but has the decal, and 3 that are stamped), and besides that, when someone has a gold stem and a vinyl pad on it, it can easily pass for the real thing no matter what.
I'm sure he's already made up his mind, and I'm sure by this time next year Australia will be infested with repro bars of all sorts, to the point where you once thought it was cool, now you will always have to wonder if the guy is telling you the truth when you are about to shell out $500 for "authentic" Kos bars. Just be careful what you wish for.. you might just get it.
I think I should take a picture of all my mongoose bars next to a dated newspaper so I can prove in the future that mine were acquired before the "flood".
sheesh..
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I think it just got crossed.
I think it just got crossed.
I'm not going to get into this(except to say this)... Johnny is a mate of mine and was a LEGEND SKYWAY TEAM RIDER bitd over here in OZ...
He was in nearly every issue of BMX Pancake over here in OZ and many BMXnews papers as well
Has many titles to his name... The bars will not be stamped(or signed like paintings are) and i will buy some sets if i need them..... Please (anyone)don't get into a keyboard name calling session with me cause I want them... Many sellers won't post out of the US.... And i want to finish this year! If some original parts come my way i'll put them on and i'll still keep the 1st 1's too... I could go on but i'll leave it at that.... And this post probably got old Johnny 50-100 of his bars sold!!
He was in nearly every issue of BMX Pancake over here in OZ and many BMXnews papers as well
Has many titles to his name... The bars will not be stamped(or signed like paintings are) and i will buy some sets if i need them..... Please (anyone)don't get into a keyboard name calling session with me cause I want them... Many sellers won't post out of the US.... And i want to finish this year! If some original parts come my way i'll put them on and i'll still keep the 1st 1's too... I could go on but i'll leave it at that.... And this post probably got old Johnny 50-100 of his bars sold!!
hey , just a note on the magnet stuff ...
stainless is not a strong metal , its soft compared to even normal steel . the thickness of stainless to equate to normal steel strength will make these HEAVY !
agreed it looks good , POSSIBLY will not rust and does'nt need chromed .
as you know a magnet sticks to steel .... it also sticks to 308 stainless , and 308 will get rust spots after a time . it all depends on the grade of stainless .
jonny chopper is a country man and im nearly sure he is a vbmx member too . it would be nice to know the weight of these bars ? that could be the major difference when spotting a fake !
stainless is not a strong metal , its soft compared to even normal steel . the thickness of stainless to equate to normal steel strength will make these HEAVY !
agreed it looks good , POSSIBLY will not rust and does'nt need chromed .
as you know a magnet sticks to steel .... it also sticks to 308 stainless , and 308 will get rust spots after a time . it all depends on the grade of stainless .
jonny chopper is a country man and im nearly sure he is a vbmx member too . it would be nice to know the weight of these bars ? that could be the major difference when spotting a fake !
Three pages and it is still not known if they will be marked as repros, come on guys, grow up!
How about finding out all the facts before jumping into silly internet character assasinations.
I hardly think cheap shots are going achieve anything, Johnny Chopper is a stand up guy and I have known him since well before becoming a member here. Why doesn't someone just PM him and ask if the bars will be marked as copies or whatever.
Some people need to calm down and think before they start typing.
-Pete.
BTW aren't there unmarked pro neck repros floating around and numerous other "accepted" repros including the aforementioned bottema forks.
How about finding out all the facts before jumping into silly internet character assasinations.
I hardly think cheap shots are going achieve anything, Johnny Chopper is a stand up guy and I have known him since well before becoming a member here. Why doesn't someone just PM him and ask if the bars will be marked as copies or whatever.
Some people need to calm down and think before they start typing.
-Pete.
BTW aren't there unmarked pro neck repros floating around and numerous other "accepted" repros including the aforementioned bottema forks.
well said peter well said
JC is doing the right thing for all middle working class man that can aford the real deal or can not find it iam sure iam not going to have a build sitting
in my bike room with no bars on it because there not the real deal:::::: grow up
i did here anything from you guys when the moto mag decal came out !!!!!!! there still repro
put up or shut up
jas
JC is doing the right thing for all middle working class man that can aford the real deal or can not find it iam sure iam not going to have a build sitting
in my bike room with no bars on it because there not the real deal:::::: grow up
i did here anything from you guys when the moto mag decal came out !!!!!!! there still repro
put up or shut up
jas
Man, you guys keep interjecting immaterial non-sense into the equation..
Number 2, it doesn't matter if they are marked, because as I pointed out, the first gen. mongoose SS bars (1979?) were not stamped. They only had a mongoose decal on them between the knurling, so if you take his repro bars and put a repro decal on them, you have a first gen bar that will be absolutely indistinguishable from the original. Pleas try to understand this point.
More "countryman" gibberish I guess..
middleclass working man who can't afford the real deal? Get creative is all I can say, the best parts are not purchased from e-bay, they are bought for $10 at thrift shops, and traded for..
I can't afford an autographed guitar from Stevie Ray Vaughan, does that mean I should fabricate one and use a paint pen and trace his signature on it and then put it in a shadowbox and hang it in my livingroom?
..be back in 30 minutes.. I've got a guitar to make!
[ April 29, 2006, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Astrodamus ]
quote:And?
jonny chopper is a country man and im nearly sure he is a vbmx member too .
quote:Spotting a fake on e-bay? You keep missing the point.
it would be nice to know the weight of these bars ? that could be the major difference when spotting a fake !
quote:Number 1, "grow up" is a cheap shot, which you denounce below..
Three pages and it is still not known if they will be marked as repros, come on guys, grow up!
Number 2, it doesn't matter if they are marked, because as I pointed out, the first gen. mongoose SS bars (1979?) were not stamped. They only had a mongoose decal on them between the knurling, so if you take his repro bars and put a repro decal on them, you have a first gen bar that will be absolutely indistinguishable from the original. Pleas try to understand this point.
quote:I just gave you a very important fact above, also another fact is that once a gold stem is installed and a vinyl pad is used, it will be very easy for one of these to be passed off on e-bay in the near future.
How about finding out all the facts before jumping into silly internet character assasinations.
quote:And? You are simply demonstrating your personal bias in his favor. A fellow countryman.. let's all stick together.. blah blah..
I hardly think cheap shots are going achieve anything, Johnny Chopper is a stand up guy and I have known him since well before becoming a member here.
quote:Irrelevant, see facts listed above.
Why doesn't someone just PM him and ask if the bars will be marked as copies or whatever.
quote:Everyone is calm as far as I know, and everyone thus far is expressing their thoughts in a rational manner except for "kossy" boy.
Some people need to calm down and think before they start typing.
-Pete.
quote:Not sure what to say on this one..
well said peter well said
JC is doing the right thing for all middle working class man that can aford the real deal or can not find it iam sure iam not going to have a build sitting
in my bike room with no bars on it because there not the real deal:::::: grow up
i did here anything from you guys when the moto mag decal came out !!!!!!! there still repro
put up or shut up
jas
More "countryman" gibberish I guess..
middleclass working man who can't afford the real deal? Get creative is all I can say, the best parts are not purchased from e-bay, they are bought for $10 at thrift shops, and traded for..
I can't afford an autographed guitar from Stevie Ray Vaughan, does that mean I should fabricate one and use a paint pen and trace his signature on it and then put it in a shadowbox and hang it in my livingroom?
..be back in 30 minutes.. I've got a guitar to make!
[ April 29, 2006, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Astrodamus ]
bull mate , i typed half of those quotes BUT the best half ............
country man yes ......... grab a real set and a chopper set in stainless .... check out this pic ....
http://www.bmxmuseum.com/bikes/se_racing/563
that seat post goes right down and touches the bottom bracket ..it is made from 316 stainless , weighs 1235g , im gonna knock 800g from that geting a 6061 alu one turned up
country man yes ......... grab a real set and a chopper set in stainless .... check out this pic ....
http://www.bmxmuseum.com/bikes/se_racing/563
that seat post goes right down and touches the bottom bracket ..it is made from 316 stainless , weighs 1235g , im gonna knock 800g from that geting a 6061 alu one turned up
Almost every one of those mega buck Ferraris Tim refers to are on repro tires. The 250 GTOs, SWBs, TRs, 166mms, ad nauseum are often driven. If the original tires existed, it's a sure bet they would be unsafe.
I feel the same way about my bikes. I ride them, and I want them to look and feel authentic. I also want them to be safe. If anyone is afraid of the value of their collection being compromised, take heart - your 30+ year old tires will never be mistaken for repops - in due time, the dry rot will be all the proof you need.
[ April 29, 2006, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: 66alfa_gtv ]
I feel the same way about my bikes. I ride them, and I want them to look and feel authentic. I also want them to be safe. If anyone is afraid of the value of their collection being compromised, take heart - your 30+ year old tires will never be mistaken for repops - in due time, the dry rot will be all the proof you need.
[ April 29, 2006, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: 66alfa_gtv ]
There is a distinct difference in how people feel regarding soft goods being reproduced and hard goods..
Soft goods (to an extent) are more accepted because plastic, rubber, and canvass fade, crack, rip and are consumed by using them, in the case with tires and grips..
it's the $3,000 cranks and $500 bars being repro'd that causes the most heartache in this hobby.
Soft goods (to an extent) are more accepted because plastic, rubber, and canvass fade, crack, rip and are consumed by using them, in the case with tires and grips..
it's the $3,000 cranks and $500 bars being repro'd that causes the most heartache in this hobby.
man, I just don't know what I'll do if a buddy of mine ever does something controversial....every time this happens it seems the local pals stand up and go to bat...baffles me.
who gives a FAKK , there is serious collectors out there who have seroious amounts of os/nos gear , great , man i have a new 1981 ripper , it is spectatular to me , great !!! love it !! magical !!!
if you feel a set of realies at 400g .. ss copies at 900g , who is the fakes ???
if you feel a set of realies at 400g .. ss copies at 900g , who is the fakes ???
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