can anyone help me identify my mongoose? Decals have been changed ,Wonreing if its a team, supergoose or just regular. can it be figured out by Serial #'s or any other teel tale signs.It has 2 holes above the drop outs and a hole on the rectangular frame piece behind the bottom bracket.Thanks in advance for any help.

Post a pic and the serial number

3 holes in the brake bridge will tell you if it's full cro mo team or supergoose. 1 hole and you got a regular joe stock goose. My supergoose has a hole in that gusset behind the BB and I've seen reg geese with it. The brake bridge is your best id option.


[ March 10, 2006, 11:45 PM: Message edited by: COASTVL ]

I am trying to ID a BMX products frame also. I have narrowed it visually down to either a Mongoose Pro Classs, a Mongoose Californian, or a Supergoose. I think it would be a 1984? This is the serial Number from the bottom bracket: M4CH3201. If anyone can tell me anything about it that would be great. I would like to post some pics but do not know how to do it. I could e-mail them to anyone who thought they could help. louis914@aol.com Thanks in advance... Louis

Correct me if I`m wrong (and I know someone will) but it seems like I remember Teams and Supers,or at least supers, being chromed while all others were nickel and paint. Haven`t heard the brake bridge thing til recently. Not saying it aint true. I just never knew about that piece of `goose ideeing.

louis914, measure the diameter of the top and down tubes of your 84 frame. supergoose and cali should be the same, pro class will have a larger downtube.

lambohaha, the extra holes as a way to ID a full cromo frame has only come to a general consensus recently (within the last 2-3 years). and only seems to apply to 81-83 year frames, (although i am doing research on 84/85's as well, just to be sure).
the first supers were nickel (77-78), then they came chrome shortly after. a nickel supergoose frame is a tough find in good condition (ie: prove-able).
team frames were either a red or blue epoxy over first nickel, then silver powder (these seem to be harder to find), then chrome. teams never came any other way.
all regular geese were either nickel or enamel colored.

ok, i'm done, lol.

--mike.

btw, is this the first time i have ever seen a "team supergoose" decal, or am i have-ing a brain fade?

--mike.

edit:
nevermind, answered my own question. what was i thinkin? lol.

[ March 13, 2006, 03:23 AM: Message edited by: kilo ]

`presheate the nfo mike. I wasn`t sure about the brake bridge but I thought I knew a little something about the other. Thanks.
A.T.

Kilo, the stickers came from Rini's. I'm eagerly awaiting the right ones.
This is a nude team I just sold too.

mongoose also did a version of the 83 / 84 supergoose with thicker diameter tubes in the US, i picked one up in the hope it was a mis-badged pro class, but a lot research has proved it isn't and also weighs a good 2lb more the pro class

the 3 hole bridge seems to apply to the 2nd gen of motomag goose with the stepped drop outs, when the serial number style changed as well, and has also so far worked with the non gusset 83 / 84 models as well

has any one laid down a good guide to the gooses yet, could be a nice little thread, getting this info together some where in chronological order, with pointers, pics and serial number types etc

[ March 13, 2006, 08:27 AM: Message edited by: kdw 712 ]

kdw712, patience my friend. i have been doing research and cataloging serial numbers for almost 2 years now. not only for differences and times of design changes, but also for production numbers of the early years. i think i will have enough to compile a nice rounded list by x-mas this year. i know, its a long wait, but will be worth it, trust me.

also; the "second generation" geese you speak of ran roughly from mid-81 to mid-83. it was a design and serail number change. dropouts became the two-hole step-down version, and the "C" was dropped from the serail number (also, the chronological numbers started over).the taller dropout meant better chain clearance, and no more need for the "pinch" found on earlier full cromo frames, although some of these "2nd gen" frames do still have this pinch. also, some of the features found on first gen frames can be found on 2nd gen frames and visa-versa (and mixed up) as this was a transitional period of 4-6 months (near as i can tell).
we have also seen a few (4 so far) late 83 looptail rear ends on gussetted roger-d frames. i have yet to see a gussett goose with the looptail, but you never know. there was alot of stuff happening during the transitional periods, so alot of curious stuff is still out there yet to be documented.

--mike.

The Supergoose came out in 1979, nickel plated, solid brake bridge, those decals are bogus.

Team Supergoose, whatever

Does anyone know who made those stickers for Rini? I knew they were wrong and I just wanted something on the frame. We don't have a lot of choices down here. I would get my own "right" ones made but the cost and legal problems rule that out. How could they get the stickers so wrong? The team frame I sold is dated '79 also.

Supergoose on eBay

This is a 1981 Supergoose. Solid brake bridge, non step down dropouts, Chrome Plated, Flattened Seat Stay.

The Supergoose decals are part of the forthcoming Mongoose decals Bill is doing, you can be sure they will be correct.

Decals are done "wrong" because people don't care, and they want something on their bike just like you did yourself. I haven't seen a nos Supergoose decal in a while but you can tell yours from 3 feet away. Wrong font, wrong colors, wrong size...I'm suprised they spelled it right.

...ouch.

Randy, I have owned this bike from new. I built it this way back in 82. The stickers were long gone. I found rini's while I was looking for a flight crank spindle as mine was twisted. I have never seen the right NOS stickers for this model available anywhere. I got the stickers then not knowing they were wrong. I assumed they were ok. I since found out how wrong they were. (6 months ago) Since when did mongoose offer flights and Bottema forks in their range? So what if the stickers are wrong. I have stated that when the right ones come available, I'll replace them.
Sorry if it's not up to your standard. You try building a bike down here where everything is 1000% harder to get.
Have a nice day!

Hey, it's not your fault. I don't blame you for buying them, I understand. You asked why decals get made incorrectly, I gave my opinion.

It's a rip on Gini or whoever cashed in.

Sorry I didn't mean to go off. I'm having a crap day.
I learnt 90% of what I know about mongoose frames from your info. I appreciate that heaps.
The whole bike will be getting rechromed as well as the parts very soon. Hopefully with correct decals to go with it.
Glenn

by the way, sort of off topic, sort of on topic. ken pliska, the screenprinter who made my race inc decals is gone last i checked. darn, they looked fairly good, too. randy, are you back into decals lately?

Hi Guys,
I was actually going to post a new topic to solve my dilemma, but I thought I'd just squeeze my question in here.
I have the same problem as Fastebk, in that I'm not sure whether I have a Team or Supergoose.
There has been alot of talk over the last few weeks regarding the rear brake bridge having just one hole or 3 holes. It's all getting a little confusing!!

Anyway, the F&F's I have have one hole in the rear brake bridge, and the serial #I2007647.

Team or Super??

Thanks in advance for any help...

Cheers,
alst

alst - seems to me you have a regular goose there
1982 serial number means it should have stepped rear drops and thus in current thinking a 3 hole rear brake bridge to be a super/team.

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Mike - looking fwd to seeing the fruits of your labour, i did start gathering serials from ebay auctions and mates but lost steam awhile ago now
i still grab any images or scans i can though.

its about time the history was put noted some where. be cool if skip hess could give it a once over when its done.

Kev

81 super on the left, 79 regular on the right

What does the CC1 indicate? Chats. Cal. something? I`m guessing the other numbers that follow are year and production number, right?

Another real good sign that it's a Supergoose or Team Mongoose is if the right chainstay is pressed flat near the freewheel.

This is true for the older (pre -81) Mongoose and newer ones with the "step down" drop-outs (81-83) as shown here.

Here's a pic:

BTW, I don't think all the Supergooses and Team Mongooses in the 81-83 range had the stamped chainstay. So a frame can still be a Supergoose if it doesn't have the flattened chainstay.