PEP
Nov 27 2005, 08:00 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Patterson-old-school-b...1QQcmdZViewItemJoe -
I feel bad if this bad boy becomes a wall decoration with a hole drilled through it for Fridays...
Damn huntcart.....
such a sweet bike too. CANX his bids, lol
jerry a hutcher
Nov 27 2005, 08:11 AM
well we can let the seller know what fate his old ride is up against...DONT SELL TO HUNTCART!!!
HUNTCART MUST DIE!!!!
cmlaigaie
Nov 27 2005, 08:35 AM
Wow that girl bought my White Pro racer and my silver streak this spring.
forman
Nov 27 2005, 09:24 AM
daddy goose better save this one some guy is gunna drill right threw the frame into the wall with this one!!!!rims too!!!
forman
Nov 27 2005, 09:29 AM
IT would not be to bad if they knew how to hang a bike I saw a predetor in my tgif they drilled right through the rims and top tube
MOREYRACING
Nov 27 2005, 09:18 PM
How do you outbid yourself fronm636 to 850? Pep, thought you wanted a Patty, do I hear $900? Huntcart is buyer for TGIF right?
gts340
Nov 27 2005, 09:43 PM
Damn sweet bike alright. I can't believe anyone would drill through it no matter what they thought of BMX, it's just too nice.
tznutts
Nov 27 2005, 10:06 PM
Not through the frame... though the rims...
Ted Carl
Nov 27 2005, 10:21 PM
She must have a connection to BMX. Why doesn't somebody email her and ask her why she takes such an interest in BMX bikes for TGI fridays, and ask her why she only wants the really good ones, and how she even knows which ones are the good ones.
She is probably Somebody's wife from VBMX!.....
Maybe she will sell you the Restaraunt too?
You know what? I'll do it.....
Ted Carl
Nov 27 2005, 10:39 PM
You know you can block bidders permanantly on your ebay account. Then when she tries to bid, ebay will send her a message that she is not allowed to bid on your items. Transaction cancelled.
I emailed her. She has to have BMX roots somewhere to even have a clue what she is bidding on.
[ November 27, 2005, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: Ted Carl ]
Nighthawk
Nov 28 2005, 12:19 AM
Yeah I've watched her bid and it certainly isn't random or whatever looks shiny, it's always prime collector stuff. Man, I really hope they don't get it. I'm all for making a petition and having all us VBMXrs sign it and mail it to the CEO of TGIF about how they are destroying all the precious rare bikes from our hobby. Maybe they don't know this person is buying all the best stuff, maybe they think she's just buying average stuff. I'm sure if we made enough noise about this and it started to become a public issue, they'd not want the bad publicity and maybe stop. I am going right this minute to block her bids from my auctions.
nintendoninja
Nov 28 2005, 12:40 AM
i agree that huntcart has some sort of connection to the vintage bmx hobby. how else would she know whats what? all of these great old bikes destined to be ruined by being mounted to a tgifridays wall. and as soon as tgifridays wants to remodel all the resturaunts all these great bikes will end up in a landfill because they wont resell them.selling to huntcart is what is ruining this hobby. eventually there wont be anymore bikes left for us because they have all been screwed to the wall!!!
why cant tgifridays stick some walmart bikes to the wall instead??? im angry!!!!!
jfretless
Nov 28 2005, 01:01 AM
In the past, huntcart seemed to stay within the 400 - 500 dollar range. So, when I saw her bid the 850 for both of Joe's bikes, I started wondering. It does not benefit TGIF more if there is a $850 anymore than if there is a $450 bike on the wall. In fact, I would imagine somebody at the top would question why TGIF isn't buying shiny mid school bikes for $300 instead of shiny old school bikes for $800.
...Maybe in the process of buying vintage bikes, huntcart has become fond of them. Maybe even developing the addiction that we all suffer from. ...Maybe, huntcart is now buying for her collection. Buy a sweet restored patterson for $850... attach that price tag to a shiny ELF mid school that she bought for $300. And give the ELF to TGIF and keeping the patterson. TGIF just helped her save $550.
In any event, instead of trying to get rid of her, someone has to pony up and outbid her. I've stole a few bikes from her... In fact, Joe's (daddy_goose) Diamond Back was one of them.
John
Reilley1
Nov 28 2005, 01:01 AM
We go thru this stuff everytime a bike sells. She pays good money for the bike, she can do whatever she wants with them. She is buying the bikes because she is catering to people born after 1960 who can relate to a BMX bike. Your average Joe enjoys the hell out of walking into a TGIF and seeing something he had as a kid.
We, as a tiny minority of collectors, see the bike (and some of us see memories), your TGIF customer sees only memories and walks away a satisfied customer.
darinb123
Nov 28 2005, 01:15 AM
Ok fellas, I'm new.... But I gotta start put'n my my 2 cents in sometime. Right???? I think if ya email TGIF and tell them what your thinking, they will just pat thereselfs on the back for having such good taste. Cooperarate guys with huge advertising budgets will not give a crap. They look at it as just having a good taste.... Like purchasing high-end vintage Coca-Cola stuff. The things they display are to do exacly what they are meant to do, get attention.... They sure as heck don't want people making fun of their memorobilia, they want us saying "wow" or "man I want that in my gameroom" or "I had one of those way back when"..... Instead, they don't know how to display it without using a drill and destroying forks, rims, etc. I certainly agree with everything you guys are saying. They are destroying BMX history. But I beleive if ya'll shoot em' an email you'll be shooting yourself in the foot. Director of sales and mechandising will pass it around like a bag of oreos and then frame it. Heck they might even get a raise..... I hate to see someone a TGIF get a feather in their hat because they have good taste.
nintendoninja
Nov 28 2005, 01:18 AM
huntcart is bidding on this robinson!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Robinson-old-school-bm...1QQcmdZViewItem im going to cry now...............
Nighthawk
Nov 28 2005, 02:11 AM
The average "Joe" that walks into a TGIF doesn't know a Patterson from a Robinson from a Walmart bike. Only us "minority" enthusiasts do. Not everyone rode BMX like we did.
I think you might be on to something, that this person is a buyer and has unlimited funds for spending, so is living vicariously and spending big bucks for these instead of being more economical with choices. I bet the superiors don't have any idea that bikes could be had for less. Not very fiscally responsible, nor responsible to the community or it's customers (us).
The only way we'll make this stop is if we make this big enough to where it gets some publicity. Once some light starts to shine on this to the outside world, they'll cease and desist.
I would love to set up a website and show pictures of the bikes they've got in stores bolted to the walls, then stick flyers every few weeks on all the cars in their parking lot referencing the site. Store managers would be the first to get the hint. If this happened around the country, corporate would start to pay attention.
Sorry, but just someone has money, that doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. Money has power, and power must be metered with responsibility. Nailing these prized posessions to walls is not a responsible use of that money.
Someone forward this thread to TGIF corporate!!
Reilley1
Nov 28 2005, 02:31 AM
Just because your average Joe does not collect bikes like "us minority" does not make him ignorant. Average Joe did have a BMX bike, chances are it was a Redline or a Mongoose or a Scwinn but nevertheless the kid next door to him probably had a a "better" ride that they recognize or wanted back in the day.
I get a whole lot of conversation from my neighbors when I am working in my garage or when I am parked on my way to a get-together about the bikes and/or components on the bikes and sure as hell, most of the people I talk to will tell you about Pattersons, and other "exotics"
I have a friend who manages a TGIF; she tells me they have a target audience and spend a whole lot of money researching this and catering to that audience, it is highly unlikely that a business of that size would do this ona whim. Not only that, the "precious" bike that you think TGIF is desecrating is cheap in comparasion to other targeting tools. If you think that TGIF is going to change their ways by complaining a them, then you are mistaken. They like us, understand the attraction of a BMX bike, difference being, they don't worship them. For every person that is going "What are they doing to that bike?" they probably have a few hundred that are enjoying a bike they had, wanted, or even dreamed about.
Besides, I don't see the cats getting the big money for their bikes doing too much complaining and they, unlike the faceless "evil" buyer, is us.
[ November 28, 2005, 03:33 AM: Message edited by: reilley1 ]
subwax
Nov 28 2005, 03:03 AM
Reilley makes an interesting comment - the seller isnt exactly complaining, and he's prettty much the only one that can change anything here. Why not express your concerns to him - he can cancel bids, after all.
Keep_It_Warm
Nov 28 2005, 05:07 AM
I agree with reilley....who cares what they do with the bike? The bikes in question in this thread (Patterson/Robinson) are such cool bikes and they are not a dime a dozen, but I don't see how anyone can pick and choose who takes possession of their bike when it is for sale globally on Ebay.
Whoever wants to pay the most for a specific item/bike can do whatever they want with it.
Keep_It_Warm
Nov 28 2005, 05:24 AM
By the way.....maybe this Patterson or Robinson - by hanging on a wall in Friday's - will attract new people to this hobby. Wouldn't that be kind of neat?
G-Flash
Nov 28 2005, 06:34 AM
You know they ought to try and maybe change the bikes around. I am so tired and bored looking at the Robinson at my local tgif. Maybe start a tour that changes the display on a bi-annual basis! May we set-up dialog with Huntclub and establish some guidelines for hanging bikes in a uniform way without causing damage to frames.We can get invovled and do some type of plan where our members are can work out trades for the Huntclub tgif's by town and location.Of course we would all have to get fingerprinted and swear the oath to OZ and WIZ ! You guys know about our addictions and the temptation would be so strong ,I fear some of us could not handle it!
Kerry
Nov 28 2005, 07:04 AM
Lame subject 10 fold!!! Her bikes, her money.
1) no one is out bidding her, if the bikes mean that much to you outbid her.
2) why would Joe cancel bids? Because he doesn't like alot of money?
3) I went to a Tgif recently & it was pretty cool to see a DB hanging up in it, gave me a weird sort of connection & put me in a good mood like I just got a good find.
4) This Huntcart person for whatever reason see's what we see. There is a connection & this person is using our cherished hobby as art. Obviously this outfit respects the era/hobby enough to put it on their wall. Afterall, it's not like their trying to lose customers!
5) all in all, they could ghostride those beetches if they wanted to. Or ride em hard or strip & sell. They are on display & hung with hooks (seen em). Now all you's nay sayers, go outbid this person or zip it!
Frostie
Nov 28 2005, 07:27 AM
How about a line to TGIF's just asking nicely that they don't f -up the frames and rims etc when hanging the things - that way when tgif's move on to the next "thing" that they want to hang the bikes will come back to the market in good nick!!
Just a thought.
tampabay1970
Nov 28 2005, 07:29 AM
let me add my 2 cents to this.Have you ever been to a hard rock cafe?What made you go there? The good food?They have stuff on there walls that cost thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars I mean individual pieces TGIF can buy a bike lets say cream of the crop for what a couple of thousand? chump changes maybe 3 hours of sales per store for them.In the right location it may make you go back just to see the bike.I know this may sound strange to you guys but if you understand adveretising and marketing these guys are doing it so cheap.For us in the hobby it can be a very big plus for an exit strategy on the bike you have spent so much to do and want to at some point sell.All in all we want an asset that keeps going up in value dont we?I see this as a trend catching on i wonder if we can lease them our bikes for say a year or loan them to them like artists do for a year with a price tag on them?Maybe this will go to another level? Isnt it nice to see someone with deep pockets out there buying and preserving these bikes ?think about this if they go chapter 11 wouldnt you wanna be at there auction?
agentheinz
Nov 28 2005, 08:02 AM
This has been rehashed many times here, just since I've been posting, which isn't very long.
We all know the Patty's a display piece now, hopefully it won't be harmed in the process.
Put down the combat gear. This won't get us anywhere. Huntcart buys ALL manner of things from the 1980s to hang on the walls of the restaurants, from Ataris to Skateboards and snowboards and kids' games to BMX bikes. It doesn't take long for someone to watch ebay and snoop boards like this one to separate the wheat from the chaff as far as junk vs. "real."
What I've been meaning to do is write a well thought out, cordial letter to whom it may concern in the TGI heirarchy regarding what they put on the wall there, not just BMX but many collectible items that end up in the restaurants. Basically saying,
"While no one is proposing to deny you of being able to decorate your restaurants, we as enthusiasts and collectors of those bikes are concerned as to what happens to them when TGI changes their decor and is through with them. We certainly don't want to see these bikes (nor any other potentially collectible item) just thrown away, so we were wondering, who gets these decorations when their service is done, and do you ever give anyone the chance to bid on these things as they come off the wall? I'm writing to you to convey that there are people interested in owning the bikes when you no longer want them in the stores, and wanted to know if that is possible and how does one go about the possibility of ownership in the future? Sincerely____________, a vintage BMX enthusiast."
Hopefully an approach like this will let us get to some of those bikes someday.
[ November 28, 2005, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: agentheinz ]
agentheinz
Nov 28 2005, 08:15 AM
BTW on attaching them to the walls, the chain hires contractors to build and decorate the stores and fortunately some are more considerate than others as far as drilling, etc. but the main concern is to avoid the liability of a bike falling off the wall and injuring someone. In my letter I will also address this and try to instill the idea to harm these items as little as humanly possible when mounting them for display.
PEP
Nov 28 2005, 09:05 AM
FWIW,
I'm really not in the market to buy up everything that this cat is going after, nor was that my intention to be the saver of all things BMX.
you're right, her business is her business. I just have my feelings on it & you have yours.
& I'll zip it when I'm god damn good & ready....
Ted Carl
Nov 28 2005, 09:06 AM
Hard Rock Cafe.....Vintage Guitars worth Tens of thousands of dollars EACH. Vintage Amplifiers that were hand made for custom sound for bands like Boston. .....all hanging on the wall.
Vintage electric train sets cast in brass.
The chassis off of a 34 3-window Coupe.
427 Hemi engine blocks.
12 cylinder Rolls Royce Merlin aircraft engine block out of a P-51 Mustang!
The Roots Blower off of a Top Fuel Dragster!
30,000 dollar Handbuilt Model Airplanes with 5000 dollar working jet engines in them.! Ready to fly!
BMX Bikes are CHUMP CHANGE for these guys!
They are conversation starters to make the customer comfortable, and bring back memories.
It all started with the TV show "Cheers". We should blame them! They had a place where people could feel at home! What a rotten idea!
As for the items going to the dump after they are done with them......I doubt it. They are not going to toss the vintage Gibsons, any more than they are going to toss anything else of value.
Block her as a bidder, or take her money, or bid higher.
Every one wishes they had one of Eddie Van Halen's red and white striped Strats that is hanging on the wall! But who is the high bidder!?
The popularity of Old School bikes is the only reason they are interested in them! You should be glad for that! And they are dealing in Millions of dollars in advertizing budgets.
Hollywood can trash 30 collectors cars in one explosion! Toss Ferrarais out of airplanes, and crush Lamborghinis with monster trucks! Be glad they don't make a movie about the Rockford VBMX show being attacked by aliens!
[ November 28, 2005, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: Ted Carl ]
darinb123
Nov 28 2005, 09:23 AM
Huntcart is also bidding on a (#7) 30th anniversary Mongoose as well. Man she loves Ebay.... You know TGIF will probably boast that they are preserving the bikes. Since they are are staying inside a climate controlled enviroment. However, I do think there is something to discuss with them on how they attach the bikes when they display them. With todays technoledgy I can't be covinced that they HAVE to drill holes. Make a bracket and stud to the inside crank where the pedal would go and maybe have a bracket for the front and rear hubs.... There are alot of ways to do a nice clean intall without harming the bike itself..... When the bikes are ready to go I bet that the manager has someone willing to pass some cash under the table to get the bike.....Who ya know, and what your willing to give are two strong factors. Heck, If I lived near a TGIF, you can bet I would "buddy-up" with the right person and when it came time for the desirable bike to come down, It would go home with me. I hate to say "pad some pockets" but it would be way cheaper than purchasing the bike in the first place, from Ebay or someone. Consider becoming friends with a manager, and offering 5 crisp 100 dollar bills, you can bet that he or she is going to bend over backwards to get ya the bike. Especially if BMX means nothing to them. Hell, I would find out what the local TGIF manager DOES like, let's say drag racing, then I would suggest a trade, my John Force whatever, for the bike, whenever it's ready to come down. Now, the manager knows the drag racing goodie will be his one day. Well anyway, there are alot of ways to skin this cat.
CSquare43
Nov 28 2005, 10:59 AM
http://www.tgifridays.com/contact/contactform.cfm There is the contact page for Fridays. I'm sending them an email thanking them for their displays (you HAVE to admit, it's very cool), but asking that they use a more humane way to display the bikes.
Who knows...we may be able to change the way they handle them...
[ November 28, 2005, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: CSquare43 ]
Ted Carl
Nov 28 2005, 11:24 AM
For the Record. Curt Carlson is a local here, and his kids went to school with us. The Carlson Towers are 4 miles down the street from me.

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With headquarters in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Carlson Companies ........
I am sorry, 26.1 BILLION dollars, which would purchase about 33 million Pattersons at 810 dollars each.
Reilley1
Nov 28 2005, 11:30 AM
quote:
I am sorry, 26.1 BILLION dollars, which would purchase about 33 million Pattersons at 810 dollars each
or one Hutch
[ November 28, 2005, 12:33 PM: Message edited by: reilley1 ]
Randy
Nov 28 2005, 11:31 AM
The next complete bike I sell will be listed on eBay and huntcart will get a personal invitation to bid.
You guys are wack, I find Nighthawks comments to be totally-off-the-hook-wacky......
Ted Carl
Nov 28 2005, 11:37 AM
quote:
or one Hutch
But Reilley's aint!
Ted Carl
Nov 28 2005, 11:41 AM
quote:
The next complete bike I sell will be listed on eBay and huntcart will get a personal invitation to bid.
Randy, I will go one more for ya, I will have my friend (who knows him) talk to Curt, and maybe you can get the next one you sell hung up in the entrance to the Towers, right next to one of my Stings!......lol .....Maybe they will make it into a chandalier.....lmao!
Woody's Hot Rods
Nov 28 2005, 12:14 PM
I don't post oftne but I wanted to give my.02. While I agree wholeheartedly that it would be a shame to see holes drilled through one of these bikes to mount it, I also believe that if you put something on ebay it is fair game. It might be a better idea to put in our For Sale forum and try to keep it in the family. It would make me sick to go into a TGI Fridays and see a vintage bike ruined for the sake of decoration. On the other hand, it would be cool to take friends there and point out the bike and tell them all about your life of BMX. At least the bike isn't sitting in a shed rusting or getting beat up by some kid riding it to school in the rain. Maybe it would be possible to set up some kind of an auction area on VBMX for people to sell their vintage bikes. I don't know how hard it would be. If all else fails, everone needs to keep scanning ebay and posting the links of these bikes so we can all know about them and hopefully outbid the evil TGI Fridays bike buyer.
G-Flash
Nov 28 2005, 01:03 PM
I will start bringing the old cordless with me when I go to TGIF's. When the bartender isn't looking "ZIP-ZIP" and I'm thru the front door! This gives new meaning to "Dine & Dash" I will start a new movement where we start the rescue of the bikes back from corperate America! LOL I will call the manuver "Gulp & Go" LOL
G-Flash
Nov 28 2005, 01:05 PM
I guess I better bring some fix a flat just in case the tires are low!
CowasockeeSteve
Nov 28 2005, 01:14 PM
I can't believe they would spend so much for some docorations then just ruin them.
I wonder if I can get a job installing that stuff. They would all end up being K-Mart Bikes!
PEP
Nov 28 2005, 01:17 PM
LOL awesome, maybe some FAT NEXT Monoshocks
hahahahaha, Classic.
agentheinz
Nov 28 2005, 02:07 PM
"When the bartender isn't looking "ZIP-ZIP" and I'm thru the front door!"
VBLF: Vintage Bike Liberation Front.
The Revolution has begun!
LOL
Reilley1
Nov 28 2005, 02:12 PM
Great..now every time one of us walks into TGIF they will say "There's one of those Vintage BMX guys, they're revolting"
Ted Carl
Nov 28 2005, 02:31 PM
quote:
Great..now every time one of us walks into TGIF they will say "There's one of those ..."
VBLF's: Vintage Bike Liberation F^#*@, gonna try and steal another bike!
[ November 28, 2005, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: Ted Carl ]
DMG
Nov 28 2005, 02:35 PM
This thread is depressing!
agentheinz
Nov 28 2005, 03:20 PM
"now every time one of us walks into TGIF they will say "There's one of those..."
Why, we gonna wear it on our sleeves or something?
Jokin', man!
"This thread is depressing!"
I know, but it comes around in some form or another every month or so it seems. I know that when the new TGI opens by us, I'll get a pic of what's in there (there WILL be a bike in there) and post it. Y'all try to do the same, if we have some kind of teh half-airssed database of the bikes maybe we can find out where some of them end up after.
Happy hunting!
Jase
Nov 28 2005, 03:51 PM
as young as i am, i can tell you guys that this is really kind of sad. i just took someof my bikes to the Grands in Tulsa to show people. seeing the reaction not only from kids that are much younger than me to guys that were around when the bikes were produced, made me smile that they got a thrill out of seeing my bikes and uniforms. even Eric Rupe came in and said he really liked my Mongoose. i was super stoked. i doubt that ANYONE would get that same thrill from seeing a bike after its gone through being drilled and messed with, or after fridays "ageing" process. i think that just because you have the money to buy something, doesnt mean you deserve it or would treat it as well as someone with a love for the bike or memories of the company. i will agree that Nighthawk's idea is extreme, but your definately wrong Randy. the only person that is wack is the person who takes all the time to restore a bike they love, only to know that its gonna be messed up like that. if you really wanna give her a personal invitation to bid on your stuff Randy, why dont you just give her your bike.
jmc1969
Nov 28 2005, 04:01 PM
why not just contacted huntcart and tell her how to mount the bike to the wall!!!
Reilley1
Nov 28 2005, 04:04 PM
quote:
Why, we gonna wear it on our sleeves or something?
No, but we are easyy to spot. A grown man crying in front a BMX bike is not hard to miss.
G-Low
Nov 28 2005, 04:48 PM
I haven't been to a tgif lately but i'll bet you'll see more 80's memorabelia and less 50's and 60's stuff. Many of us now have families and are now the target consumer.
A cool bike on display dosn't bother me, at least people get to enjoy it. It's not hidden in a garage somewhere. Maybe it will bring more people to this site.
I just hope they end up back on e-bay when tastes change.