Moosegoose Nick
Dec 4 2005, 01:31 PM
Of course, we could always go in and take them.You know,when the place is closed. Umm, Wouldn't that put us in jail?
I agree,just block her on any of your auctions.I'm sure that if she even visits the site and reads the forums she'll just end up with a new ebay id.
I'm surprised she hasn't jumped on that Blue Moosegoose.I mean after reading the guy's description,you'd think he had the only one in the world.
[ December 04, 2005, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: Moosegoose Nick ]
Randy
Dec 4 2005, 01:32 PM
If I didn't collect and if I wasn't fond of old BMX bikes I can understand how I might have the opinion that I do, maybe. But I do love old BMX, and I do own and have sold many other vaulable pieces.
BUT, Someone tell me why you honestly give a damn about a bike you don't own, or will sell and what happens to it.
I believe y'all are just stroking your "collector" ego's thinking and saying you would never sell her a bike....like well, my bikes are just to rad for TGIF....
Please please tell me know....
Moosegoose Nick
Dec 4 2005, 01:33 PM
Well said Randy.
Randy, that last line came straight out of a Duran Duran song.
I don't know the lady, but why bash her? She's doing her job. She has also said she's trying to make sure the frames aren't drilled anymore. Block her in her auctions if you like but I don't think that will stop what's happening. I'm not really defending her, but I'm not gonna bash her either. Like I stated before, I'd like to see TGIF leave the bikes to us and go after other old stuff.
BTW Randy, wouldn't it break your heart to see a Sting or PK sitting in a landfill or on top of a scrap heap? I think that's the idea of these guys not liking what's happening to bikes they don't even own. It's just a little bit more of our history being destroyed.
[ December 04, 2005, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: n2o ]
G-Flash
Dec 4 2005, 01:51 PM
To tell ya the truth,I am not worried so much now but when she spends more time here and finds out about the neanderthal period and sees one on the bay and wins the auction under huntclub or another assummed name I am realley gonna get ****ed off ! I dont care if she takes a mass produced bike from the eighties but to mess with the seventies steel that is far and few and in between is a declaration of war! Its bad enough I am having to compete with Tim and reilley1 and now to top it off her greedy corporation that she works for! I wont have it! Some stuff is just plain sacred! Mothers , Football and seventies BMX bikes!
TeamRob
Dec 4 2005, 01:52 PM
Okay, I have read enough too. The bikes are worth what someone will pay! Be it a corporation or individual. IT might be "corporate crap" but that is spoken in haste. Corporate crap would be NO RESPONSE at all! She (Michelle) did not need to take one second to respond, register or even read through threads! I applaud her for showing interest and even coming in here!!!
It is amazing when a lot of guys are buying the bike / part is not worth that - and want to buy for less, but once you own it you would have paid more or it is priceless. I look at it like this; It is advertising for all of us, it might even get more collectors inspired or at least others will get to enjoy the bikes. In essence, it is we - the collectors of "JUNK" who give value to these items. We want the bikes for ourselves but I think it is a shame someone doesn't have a small true museum to display. If we united we could build a small venue and could preserve history. I know there is a lot of money out there. An army of one is not going to make a difference but united we could do a lot. Rockford could be a place that we could build a small BMX/Freestyle history museum. We could sell stock in it and have members donate / lend bikes, parts and buy stock in a building.
If you want to end destruction you have to unite. I don't feel as if Fridays is doing anything wrong (other than maybe ruining the bike by lack of knowledge) they are displaying history. No one I know has the same passion as I do for certain bikes and not many people see my bikes!! I would really like for others to enjoy them and I do believe that Michelle made the effort; she did not even have to address or justify anything to anyone. There is only one way to stop what you hate, and that is to unite and do something about it! I know there are some corporate people out there who could put together a fund for a building - small to begin with. A group of board members to allocate stock, bike collections, floor plan, inventory, fees to see the bikes, profits, hours of operations, volunteers and record keepers. There is enough interest in bikes - but you would have to work together and make it great! I would lend some of my bikes to the cause. Granted you would have to lend them for a time period and have some lawyer work out paperwork. Looking in the phone book, I am sure there is someone with at least one law degree on VBMX that could work the details. I bet we could start with a leased building and go from there. How much space would you need? 1000 - 1500 sq ft to start? Collect funds and try it for 2-year period. We could have a once a year BM auction with proceeds to go toward the museum. We could take Vintage BMX bikes off of Ebay and control it on by making sure no one is burned.
If you think about it, how much does Ebay make off these entire bike / parts auctions? We are all paying high prices to just list all these bikes. Investors could actually make money if we did it with stock in the museum or incorporate. It is a business venture that could work??? Maybe as a company you would have the capital to buy up bikes that you could not afford on your own. The bikes or anything that matter is worth what someone will pay. Ebay has capitalized on that from day one, supply and demand. Bikes have been around since before cars and I know there are lots of car museums that make money. The liability insurance would have to be less on bikes than cars. Insurance is usually the killer with any business and in this case it should be small. Who is an attorney, insurance broker, builders, real-estate broker??? People in numbers can become a powerful force.
spike
Dec 4 2005, 01:55 PM
I think what really has people twisted is the fact that a corporation with endless funds is snapping up stuff just to make their place look cooler and draw in the genXer's, not some collectors egos though jelousy might have a bit to do with it. I've dealt with endless fund collectors in military stuff I collect and it bothers me but I have since learned to let it go. I think it's just the fact that someone with endless $$$$ snaps everything up and the little people have no way of competing, not to mention inflating prices way higher than normal, fine for the seller, way bad for a buyer. She may be a decent person but she may be bad for the hobby.
One way to control this is by offering EVERYTHING you want to sell HERE before Ebay. That won't happen though because the sellers know they'll get more $$$ on Ebay. Money talks and the sellers who do this for the money won't care who buys their stuff, thus continuing this vicious cycle.
(Just read my comments and it didn't come out the way I wanted. I'm NOT implying that all the people who sell their stuff on Ebay are money-hungry punks, just some of them)
[ December 04, 2005, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: n2o ]
Randy
Dec 4 2005, 02:04 PM
Your competing against Tim Cook for 70's bikes? You just cemented my opinion.
goosecrazy rick
Dec 4 2005, 02:11 PM
hey guys im in brandon florida and for what its worth the local fridays closed, out of business, gone. maybe its a trend and she wont be getting anymore of our goodies. good for joe on getting big $$ but bad for the fate of the patterson.
Reilley1
Dec 4 2005, 02:22 PM
quote:
Its bad enough I am having to compete with Tim and reilley1 and now to top it off her greedy corporation that she works for
Not competing against me; unlike Tim and TGIF, I'm broke...
And people, leave Huntcart alone, she did not have to come in here and explain a damn thing to us so called "collectors" but she did and that shows class.
You guys wanna moan and complain? go complain to the cat who is laughing all the way to the bank. And even he/she does not have to justify what they do with THEIR bikes
Hell, I rather see the bike at TGIFs than have to imagine it sitting at a at some Mausoleum surrounded by candles whilst the owner sits on a stack of BMX Actions and chants "Hummm...Patterson, hummm"
[ December 04, 2005, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: reilley1 ]
twintoptuber
Dec 4 2005, 02:24 PM
It's good for the hobby for Friday's to hang these bikes up on their walls. Exposure sparks interest for the hobby.
quote:
she wont be getting anymore of our goodies.
*b, shaking his head, walking away*......
Ken Pliska
Dec 4 2005, 03:25 PM
Okay, I read the original post when I was in Tulsa last week. Oh, by the way, for you couch jockeys, Tulsa is where we still race the ABA Grands.
Some of the things I read in the first two pages just stunk of elitism and knee jerk liberalism. Frankly, I can graph your socioeconomic positions, tax brackets and education (or lack thereof) by simply reading some of your posts. It was not at all surprising to read what many of the complete morons had to say about Huntcart. Blocking her from bidding on your auction? You have got to be kidding. If you still want control over your bike, DON'T SELL IT!
So, if you didn't like someone of lets say, a different color, you'd block them from bidding as well? Corporate crap? Oh please, don't try to speak for those of us that actually like, tolerate, and welcome different folks into this little hobby or ours. And trust me, it is a "little hobby" kids. In our car hobby, things sell for $80k, not $800.
For those of you who might not know me, I have well over 100 of the coolest old school bikes you've ever seen. FMF, Patterson, DG, Redline, Torker, Webco, etc., etc., etc. I collect them because I like them. I have my original races bikes from the 1980s factory days and I still have tons of stuff I don't need and never will need. If I want to buy something, I often grab what I need off of eBay. If I get bored of something, I'll part it out on eBay and buy something else with the proceeds. You see, this is a hobby.
I live in a beautiful part of the country. The only thing less than desirable about this part of the country is that over the last couple of decades it has become more of a liberal stomping ground of sorts. In fact, my family owns $10,000,000.00 of land that we can no longer develop because of the governing practices of some of these freaking morons. The qualities of the liberal folks up here (we want to enjoy looking at YOUR land the way it is but we don't want to compensate you for not being able to do anything with YOUR land) is mirrored in some of the statements of this idiotic thread. You put it on eBay, winner does whatever they want with it. SIMPLE. Again, if you want control over it, DON'T SELL IT!
Huntcart (Michelle), welcome to this message board and rest assured the majority of us are not complete idiots. I part my bikes out on eBay so I don't expect to be selling you anything, but if I did, I would invite you to do whatever you feel like with those bikes. They are yours, plain and simple.
Sincerely,
Ken Pliska
Portland, Oregon
crazychain88
Dec 4 2005, 03:28 PM
I just sent this to email to Friday's :
Dear Madam or Sir,
This letter does not concern any specific visit to any of your locations. I am writing to express a small concern with the decor in some locations, namely, the bicycles hung from ceilings and walls. While this is brilliant marketing, and appeals to a specific target audience, the manner of mounting these items in place negates much of their appeal. Holes drillied into these items severely detract from their intrinsic worth and appeal. I'm sure you've received several similar letters, some less eloquent than others. I would be pleased if would take a different aproach when instructing your contractors in mounting these items. I'm sure there is a safe, theft-proof, non-damaging way! I will continue to patronize FRiDAY'S, but will praise their service to my friend and associate to a much higher degree when this concern is mitigated.
Cordially,
dbar1681
Dec 4 2005, 03:35 PM
Wow some of you need some time off!!
Chill......
I agree with Reilley1, I don't think she intentionally tried to offend anyone. I feel that if she was really that shallow she would have just blew us off.
I have not been collecting for nearly as long as some of you, but when I do find a part, or bike I like I usually spend alot to get it, and as a result a bike gets built that I love and have spent way too much money on. The point I'm trying to make is this...there is no way in hell that I would sell any of these bikes I've built if it means that much to me. If you put it up for sale on Ebay you might as well expect the worse. After all....if it has gotten to that point it must not be one of your prized builds now, is it.
I've eaten at TGI Fridays and honstly love their Jack Daniels Burger, I haven't been there lately due to being laid off, but see myself returning sometime in the future. If I see a bike that has suffered so badly, I'll only wonder to myself why someone would sell such a nice bike. It's their bike now, they can do with it as they see fit.
dbar1681
[ December 04, 2005, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: dbar1681 ]
Randy
Dec 4 2005, 03:38 PM
if they respond will you ask for their onion rings recipe, I love them.
I'm thinking about making a new bumper sticker, SAVE THE BIKES!
DOUG
Dec 4 2005, 03:42 PM
The age-old question of what destiny a vintage bike should have after it is sold is as old as what is my bike worth. What it boils down to is the seller wants the money, the buyer wants the bike, and the bidder who wants the bike but can't afford it is SOL.
AndyDiamond
Dec 4 2005, 03:50 PM
Yes, I need a holiday.
Still, what the problem actually ends up being with bloated auctions is that suddenly every tyre-kicker who has a POS old school BMX bike starts thinking theirs is worth what the last hack paid top dollar for, even though it wasn't actaully worth it.
OK, sure - after a while the prices come back down a bit after people find they can't get $800 for their Pro Raider frame like they thought but it creates a lot of bollocks in the interim...
[ December 04, 2005, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: AndyDiamond ]
nintendoninja
Dec 4 2005, 04:02 PM
i would prefer tgif to get new bikes for their resturaunt.
new bikes like redline dk gt fit brew haro. i would rather stare at new bikes while eating.
i think it would ruin my appetite looking at those oldschool bikes on the wall,makes me sad that no one is able to enjoy them anymore.
Randy
Dec 4 2005, 04:03 PM
the bollocks will now be on ebay? I ain't going there anymore
Ted Carl
Dec 4 2005, 04:16 PM
The winner finds a solution to every problem.
The loser finds a problem with every solution.
The Pragmatist finds the key word or element that can change the outcome.
As a pragmatic individual, I see this whole debate being centered around drilling holes in frames.
If she handed the bike to the installer WITH a box containing the Bike Rack to hang it from, and a way to secure it from petty thieves, the outcome would change. The holes would not be drilled and the problem would be solved.
Other pragmatic sorts can see that there are other possible ways to change the outcome favorably as well (museum)(I am in, PM me please).
Unfortunately, there are too many who spend more time finding problems with solutions, than finding solutions to problems. And for those of us who like to find solutions to problems, we remain eternally frustrated with those who can only find problems with solutions.
..again, I welcome Michelle,to the group, and applaud her efforts. As well as the other level headed recent comments .
I am unamused with the unproductive efforts that bash and slay the real effort makers, without offering any productivity from within.
[ December 04, 2005, 05:21 PM: Message edited by: Ted Carl ]
Reilley1
Dec 4 2005, 04:16 PM
Never mind the Bollocks....
G-Flash
Dec 4 2005, 04:20 PM
It's damage control! So I guess I am a moron because everything has it's price! I just hope that I don't see some of the historical stuff I see here never end up on the auctioning block. as for trying to stop the madness of trying to find some bmx parts for a build that too will stop for me soon . My pockets aren't that deep so It will end.
mike vango
Dec 4 2005, 04:23 PM
i just got back from eating at fridays! now i'm drilling holes in all my bikes. what a great day.
G-Flash
Dec 4 2005, 04:34 PM
Oh and she will blow you guys off! I don't think she will make it to 100 posts on this site! Who wants to make a wager? As far as my place in this world I may not have a great education or have millions in land holdings and collect 80k hot rods for if I did I would surely drill them to wall of restraunt chains that I would own and not give a f%$k. Now snort in my flank! Anarchy in the U.S.!
Is it me or is this just about the sorriest thread yet.
I don't think anyone begrudges TGIF, via their ebay buyer, the right to spend their money how they see fit. But, bashing on others because they care about what happens to these bikes shows the true character of some board members. If you take offence to that statement, then you might be in that category! If you don't give a rats rear end what happens to them, then why are you here? And don't give out that riders, history, reliving the day crap.....It all goes hand in hand! You can have your favorites, but in the end it's all about the history and we are the history! The Icons , the magazines, the races raced, the weekend rides ridden, the late night tinkering, the lake jumping, the parts trading with friends, all of it was because of the BIKES that brought us/you/them together.
AndyDiamond
Dec 4 2005, 05:17 PM
Hey - that's two song titles in this thread.
Any more?
I KNOW!!!
How about 'Thank God It's Friday'!!!!
or
'Hung Up' by Madonna (as in hung up on the wall at TGIF)
Ted Carl
Dec 4 2005, 05:17 PM
quote:
But, bashing on others because they care about what happens to these bikes shows the true character of some board members.
I don't think people are bashing those who care about the bikes. Because we all care about them, that is why we are all here.
But some of the ones crying foul, are not making much of an effort to find solutions, so it is increasingly falling on deaf ears. Like New Orleans. A lot of whining, a lot of crying, a lot of blaming others, and not a lot of people picking up a shovel.
Randy
Dec 4 2005, 05:32 PM
I beg to differ, I'm clearly bashing.....stay out of it will you
Randy [Mr. Bad Character]
DOUG
Dec 4 2005, 05:35 PM
Ouch...some of you are really showing your true colors. Some things are better left unsaid. With that said, my mommy has more money than yours so
Ted Carl
Dec 4 2005, 05:54 PM
LOL Randy......
Will somebody please club a baby white seal to death and stain the snow red or something?
We really need a new horse to whip. This one still ain't moving.
spike
Dec 4 2005, 07:33 PM
This horse is DUST.
Keep_It_Warm
Dec 4 2005, 07:43 PM
Hi gang! Whatcha talkin' about?
[ December 04, 2005, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: Keep_It_Warm ]
Randy M.
Dec 4 2005, 09:22 PM
Dang! My vision is blurry from reading all this. It's very clear that some are more serious about the collecting than others. Just remember that they are just bikes. The memories you have are yours unless that can be sold on ebay too. If you don't want it to end up in the wrong hands, then keep it.
I would hate to see it drilled to the wall though, that's just stupid. At least find a decent way to mount it.
Oh Michelle, my Patty may be for sale soon. E mail if interested. A new DA150 with carbon fiber prop, spinner, and mufflers will do for a trade.
Happy Landings
Elvis
Dec 4 2005, 10:34 PM
I'm sure Michelle isn't posting in this thread any more than she is because she's over at the Vintage Surfboard forum having a go with those nim-nods, and then it's off to the Vintage Street Signs forum for a bit for that brawl. The Star Wars figurine forum? You don't even want to know.....
Of course, here in BMX land we look at everything through the lens of old bikeism (in our utopia there is myopia) so the all of Fridays is the all of old bikes.
You can write to Friday's all you want, have a party. The buyer just explained how they're taking steps to preserve the bikes and how she appreciates them as an individual and works to create and exercise policy within the organization to reflect these positive interests and emotions. But go ahead and complain. I'm sure your letter will be read and put in the same file cabinet as the surfboard and street sign letters (near the Star Wars letters warehouse).
Here's another thing: 20 years from now when the only Patterson's available are (a) in the hands of a collector and priced through the roof (no doubt creating another tear-strewn thread) (B) covered with rust and bent all to hell or © hanging on the wall in Friday's, you'll be glad Friday's was there back in the day. Yeah, sure, you might have to send it to Miles to get the tube fixed or mope around 'til you find a new wheel, but you'll have a Patterson sold at a decent price as Fridays changes out to a Jetson's motif or whateverthehell.
p.s. Considering how much of my money they've gotten throughout the years, TGI Friday's bought its last 14 bikes based upon my investment with them - unless they're selling steak and beer at a break-even.
spike
Dec 4 2005, 10:51 PM
Someone break out the broom and dust pan cause this horse has been beaten so hard and long it is a fine, fine powder. Might even have to call in a HazMat team.
Reilley1
Dec 4 2005, 11:01 PM
quote:
in our utopia there is myopia
I can't even think of something to say
Ken Pliska
Dec 4 2005, 11:10 PM
A few things I know for certain in life:
1. You cannot reason with unreasonable people.
2. Some folks in life are just waiting to be offended.
3. The only thing you have total control over in life is your own attitude.
4. When a bunch of Internet geeks take shots at you in a forum, the best thing to do is to:
a. Ignore them.
b. Feel pity for them and their dull, dull, dull lives.
c. Laugh your a $$ off as you read their posts.
d. Teach them how to spell "site" when referring to a web site.
* e. all of the above.
race_inc
Dec 4 2005, 11:34 PM
Allright, no more pi$$ing and moaning or the DeCoster get's it!!!
Ted Carl
Dec 4 2005, 11:41 PM
OK Reilley.......LMFAO...
Pick something Farsighted to respond with I guess..........What is the opposite of myopia anyway!???? lmao
ALSO...LMAO at this....
Can you imagine the poor bastard 6 years from now, who buys a bike off of e-bay, and comes here and innocently starts a thread.
They guy's thread: "Help with OS Patterson".
Can any of you guy help me? I am new here. I just bought a Sweet 1981 Patterson, and it is almost mint. The funny thing is that it has a hole drilled right through the frame tube. Does anybody know which type of old school accessories would have required a hole to be drilled there? Does anybody know someone who could fix this type of damage for me? Any insight you can offer me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
LMAO........... The poor soul will be walking into a killing field.......won't know what hit him....!
Ted Carl
Dec 5 2005, 12:31 AM
I would like to strengthen our group as a hole. Therefore I am starting the Collectors Uniform Safety Standards Organization, or CUSS.
Please see the photos below to assist in all future compliance to safety and security in this matter. Remember, safety is no joke!

Thank you for uniform compliance in this matter. I hope this provides insight for everyone on the hole.
CUSS
[ December 05, 2005, 01:38 AM: Message edited by: Ted Carl ]
Reilley1
Dec 5 2005, 12:59 AM
quote:
Does anybody know which type of old school accessories would have required a hole to be drilled there
It's for a center pull brake
spike
Dec 5 2005, 01:50 AM
I'll have my horse filet medium well por favor.
BMX2112
Dec 5 2005, 05:00 AM
Hi and welcome to the site Michelle. I am the seller and collector that contacted you somtime back and discused the mounting methods that were being used to secure the bikes to the walls. You have bought 4 bikes from me and I am thankful for any efort you have givin to insure they will not be damaged during their stay in TGIF's.
Lewis
Dec 5 2005, 01:09 PM
reilley 1 ....a water bottle for that big race???
Nice DEREK...
LMAO!
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