TIM
Sep 28 2005, 01:24 PM
there was Gary Turner BMX!
Gary Turner BMX frame, serial # GY 21
Tange TX-500 fork
All American bars
Oakley grips
Dia Compe lever/caliper/cable
Red Line Proline stem
Superpro rims
Campagnolo Record track hubs
Raleigh Red Dot tires
Sugino euro BB
Shimano Dura Ace 165 cranks
no name chainring
KKT pedals
no name chain
XCaliber seatclamp
fluted post
Seamless YFC seat
Shimano 333 freewheel
[ September 28, 2005, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
92gli
Sep 28 2005, 01:33 PM
wow, thats not something you see everyday - unless I lived with you, ha.
probowler1999
Sep 28 2005, 01:38 PM
Nice ride!!
graeme
Sep 28 2005, 01:40 PM
wow tim i am liking that more than any of your other bikes. seriously nice bike
graeme
agentheinz
Sep 28 2005, 01:40 PM
Most guys, like me, probably weren't aware these existed.
Lets see... the huge top tube compensates for the tiny down tube, and gives a higher center of gravity for tabletops, right?
nintendoninja
Sep 28 2005, 01:48 PM
wow! awesome bike!!!
they were really stickered like that?
what year?
what size frame is that? expert? pro?
djbdb
Sep 28 2005, 01:54 PM
Yet another rarity to add to your huge collection of museum pieces....I am, yet again, impressed...
bravo, sir....
DarrenOz
Sep 28 2005, 01:55 PM
Good Job Tim.
I was completely unaware of that bike. Im lucky to have most BMX Mags from 80-85 and I have never seen that until now.
TIM
Sep 28 2005, 01:56 PM
original finish & decals. nos TX-500 fork.
serial number GY 21
built one at a time by Gary Turner in his garage and sold out of Richard Long's Anaheim bike shop.
approx 1977/78 vintage.
Richard Long sold his bike shop and partnered with Gary Turner to start GT in 1979.
Greg_Hanna
Sep 28 2005, 01:57 PM
Tim, quick question/comment. It looks like you are using the newere readily available headsets on some of your builds??
The cups on the newer headsets have a flatter edge, the old cups had a more rounded contour. Why cut the corners on these very early well thought out builds??
The common Tange headset used on Stingrays would be more appropriate, or even a Real NOS Tange MX or MX 2 for a 78-81 builds. post 82 builds gotta use Tioga beartraps. I just hate seeing those cups/cones/nuts on restored bikes!! My fav. are the gold washered Tange and Tiogas with the old school cups! I saved all the old used headsets I had just for for the simple fact that I could have them replated and use the correct cups!
TIM
Sep 28 2005, 02:06 PM
greg.. i pulled that headset out of a 1977 peddlepower. it was original to the frame, judging by the grease, dirt and light rust on it. i don't know the brand, but i know its vintage 1977. same exact headset on my 2 original bone stock apple krates - 1968 and 1969.
i normally use only nos schwinn steel headsets straight out of the sealed bags for mid-70s builds, or recycle used headsets out of correct-era frames. i had about 10 of the schwinns, but they've all been used. so i had to scramble for a used one.
[ September 28, 2005, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
Greg_Hanna
Sep 28 2005, 02:10 PM
Had you noticed the differences in the cups as I had mentioned?? I wonder if the rounded cups can be gotten anywhere?
It's just my recollection and experience since I started collecting that I had never seen an early headset with the flatter edged cups. So... that headset could be OK.........I guess, but wouldn't have been my choice. LOL
I do know of a shop that has some NOS Tange MX2 with the gold washers and round cups.....I should go buy em' all and put them on E bay!!! Especially after this post!!!!! Oh, That's not how the game is played???!!!!!!
[ September 28, 2005, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: Greg_Hanna ]
TIM
Sep 28 2005, 02:13 PM
cups is cups to me! LOL! if they be in an old sealed bag or an old banged up bike, good enough for the 13 yr old kid in 1977 standing at Richard Long's counter, good enough for me.
djbdb
Sep 28 2005, 02:14 PM
Tim, is that the GT that was on Ebay a few months ago?
[ September 28, 2005, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: djbdb ]
66alfa_gtv
Sep 28 2005, 02:16 PM
Stunning as usual. That's a short wheelbase - I ride my rides, but doubt I could ride that one.
TIM
Sep 28 2005, 02:17 PM
i got the frame off eBay, but it was well before Rockford in June. it's been hanging on my wall for a long time waiting for the right time to build it.
SantaAnaMassachusetts
Sep 28 2005, 02:17 PM
Awesome piece of history!
djbdb
Sep 28 2005, 02:19 PM
yeah, thats the one i saw...if i remember right, it didnt go for a ton either. Didnt it have the forks, too?
Daniel W
Sep 28 2005, 02:28 PM
Cool. Never seen those kind of stickers before.
TIM
Sep 28 2005, 02:30 PM
no, it didn't have the fork. maybe you remember a pic of it that got posted somewhere when it was hanging on my wall with a cyclepro fork installed.
BenOr
Sep 28 2005, 02:42 PM
TIM,
Is this considered a Pedals Ready frame like Ronnie Ames rode? I like the old HT decal much better.
DAN
Sep 28 2005, 02:47 PM
I think the drop outs were different on the Pedals Ready. How about a parts break down Tim. NIce one by the way.
DAN
TIM
Sep 28 2005, 02:56 PM
added parts list to pic post at top...
Chester
Sep 28 2005, 03:01 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why the downtube is smaller compared to the toptube. Interesting piece Tim.
Cheers ~ Chester
ol'phart
Sep 28 2005, 03:04 PM
that thing is killer .... but snip those ties and put some proper brake cable guide clips on that piece, before you ruin that original finish
Criscobath
Sep 28 2005, 03:08 PM
Another one out of the park!
ANT DOG 3:16
Sep 28 2005, 03:12 PM
WHO CARES ABOUT THE HEADSET CUPS!!!!!!!!!!! LOL that bike is sweet bling bling tim
cycleace
Sep 28 2005, 03:16 PM
Where the hell did you land this bike from ? I'm REALLY curious to hear !
cycleace
Sep 28 2005, 03:18 PM
Sorry Tim - I noticed your post after I made mine. That thing is truly a BMX MUSEUM PIECE !
malp
Sep 28 2005, 03:24 PM
AMAZING!!!! I never thought I would see one that clean ever!
AndyDiamond
Sep 28 2005, 04:14 PM
Nice one Tim,
Now, I wonder if Mr. Hutchins ever saw those frame decals.
Jeff Utterback
Sep 28 2005, 07:26 PM
This is the latest thing to leave GT's shop. a nitro funny car. Gary is the guy with his hands on his forehead saying "what is Utterback doing to my new Hot Rod!"
mcam
Sep 28 2005, 07:35 PM
Tim,
That is really impressive. I've always been interested in the early GT history. And to see a bike like that is incredible!
Reilley1
Sep 28 2005, 07:52 PM
quote:
This is the latest thing to leave GT's shop. a nitro funny car. Gary is the guy with his hands on his forehead saying "what is Utterback doing to my new Hot Rod!"
I thought he was saying "When the hell is Utterback going to get over the Brian Lewis thing!"
Another piece of history from the Tim Cook "I am not God but I play one at Vintage" Memorial Museum.
[ September 28, 2005, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: reilley1 ]
prosight
Sep 28 2005, 07:54 PM
Well this is very interesting. I had a GT that was the exact same shape as the one pictured and even had the small down tub. But it was stickered with the standard GT stickers. So what i would like to know when Gt became GT and not Gary Turner did they still make them with the thinner down tube.
Because about a year ago i sold one on Australian ebay so maybe someone got a really good deal
gts340
Sep 28 2005, 08:03 PM
Very, very cool. I had never seen one of those, but I wouldn't mind having one myself! Nice build Tim!
Randy
Sep 28 2005, 09:45 PM
Some early GT's had the same 1" downtube, I think they were the expert/standard size.
The Pedal Ready CYC/Ames frame had a dropout similar to the early Pattersons.
Sweet bike Tim. When you gonna build the last two frames I sold you?
sprinter
Sep 28 2005, 09:58 PM
quote:
Lets see... the huge top tube compensates for the tiny down tube, and gives a higher center of gravity for tabletops, right?
quote:
I'm still trying to figure out why the downtube is smaller compared to the toptube.
I'm guessing the top tube was larger, to allow the seat tube to pierce it. The down tube was smaller to save weight...
Randy
Sep 28 2005, 10:20 PM
1" chromoly tubing was pretty standard in 1978.
TIM
Sep 28 2005, 10:30 PM
hey i just find em and build em.. you geometry majors can figger out the rest!
all in good time, randy. all in good time.. even God needed 6 days.
[ September 29, 2005, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: TIM ]
JJR
Sep 28 2005, 11:14 PM
Wow that's a very interesting bike you have there!
Well done!
JohnnyJohnson OMAS DirtSlinger
Sep 29 2005, 12:23 AM
My favorite bike in your collection!
JohnnyJohnson OMAS DirtSlinger
Sep 29 2005, 12:24 AM
Was there a "Pedals Ready GT" frame decal set?
Chris
Sep 29 2005, 01:07 AM
Tim,
Great bike.I waited an eternity for my CYC Ames Stormer frame to be delivered to my local bike shop.
The Stormer had the rectangular drop-outs.
JohnnyJohnson OMAS DirtSlinger
Sep 29 2005, 01:21 AM
Hey Utterback!
Is that pic of Gary Turner's funny car from that race at the Fairplex in Pamona that Hill and I were at? That was my first drag race!
RAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forgot to mention LOUD!!!!!!!!!!
Did I mention FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Corvin
Sep 29 2005, 08:26 AM
Damn, Tim where do you find these bikes??!! You obviously keep your finger on the pulse of the vintage market. That is (like all your other bikes) absolutely pristine.
Your collection is epic!
83gt4fun
Oct 1 2005, 08:48 AM
Tim, with the smaller downtube and euro BB, is this predecessor to the GT mini? I have a GT mini that looks just like your bike. It was sold to me as an 83, but I cannot find any numbers or stamps on the frame anywhere.
I agree with a lot of the comments - you do find some awesome bikes. Hey guys, I figured it out, Tim has invented a time machine! How else does he find such perfect bikes?
Thanks for all you do Tim!
Paul
JohnnyJohnson OMAS DirtSlinger
Oct 1 2005, 04:39 PM
In 78' I used to see a few of those "Gary Turner" frames around the local San Diego tracks. People actually called them "Gary Turner's" not GT's.
In 80', I raced a 79' CYC Ames Stormer frame.
Around 79'- 80' I had friends who had "GT" frames with "GT" decals.
The Gary Turner, CYC Ames Stormer, and the post 79' GT's ALL LOOKED ALMOST IDENTICLE.
Greg Hill is the only rider on Vintage who was on the orignal (1976. I'm almost positive on the year) "Pedals Ready GT" team. The only other person who's name I know was on that team was Tammy Jacques who has a pic in one of the very first few issues of BMX Action.
The original GT factory team who wore the first GT uniforms were riders like Lee Medlin of Corona Ca. and Ronnie Rioux of San Diego, Ca. (amongst others). These guys were all originally riders for "Anaheim Bike Center" which was owned by Rich Long.
If Anaheim Bike Center was owned by Rich Long (co- founder of GT), then who or what was Pedals Ready/ GT? I heard Pedals Ready was also known as "Pedals Ready Pro Shop". Maybe Rich's first bike shop (like) endeavor?
I heard "Pedals Ready Pro Shop" was a guy that carried specialty parts along with "Gary Turner" frames. He sold everything out of a garage and at the track. Especially the track "Western Sports Arama" that John Hill (Greg's dad) owned for a little while.
A few years ago (the year Gary started Avent) I started to ask him about the Ronnie Ames/ CYC Stormer and GT connection. Gary said to me, "Yeah I know Ronnie "The Animal" Ames". But we were interupted and never finished the conversation.
Wonder if it was something like CYC bought the rights to the design of a GT frame and then stickered it and marketed it as a CYC product.
I've only seen Ronnie Ames in ad's for CYC and Bill Walter's Leathers. Never GT.
Wonder if there was a specific "Pedals Ready GT" decal set for those 1976 frames? I'm almost postive there was a head tube decal.
Most everything I've said here are recollections. Hopefully I'm right on most of it.
Anyone want to add some insight?
[ October 01, 2005, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: JohnnyJohnson OMAS DirtSlinger ]
NFR5111
Oct 1 2005, 07:25 PM
Tim, as usual, killer build. Great job.
jmcracing.net
Oct 1 2005, 07:39 PM
in real early 79 , i ahd a GT , thats what i raced in Vegas , nobody had them, even in Vegas , but that GT was badddddd.... till this day , i have not found one like the one i had , very similar to Tim's
GT-ON
JOdyC
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