This has been sitting in storage forever and was curious if anyone could tell me what model it is. I believe that it was purchased in 1981. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
THANKS!!!!!
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Hi there,
This has been sitting in storage forever and was curious if anyone could tell me what model it is. I believe that it was purchased in 1981. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
THANKS!!!!!
This has been sitting in storage forever and was curious if anyone could tell me what model it is. I believe that it was purchased in 1981. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
THANKS!!!!!
man, my buddy had one of those bitd the same color. it had a teardrop top tube like yours. this is what made it rare. don't know the model name but would love to find one.
cycle pro foiler actually. The oval Top tube gives it away. It looks VERY similar to a Race Inc RA-7 model, but you have a cycle pro there my friend. Welcome to the board. A very cool bike none the less.
pep
pep
especially those parts, very well kept, looks high end for 1981.
Pep is right, cycle pro. Did you buy them with those decals or did you add them later?
oh that Mr. Bastian, there he goes again!!!
Pep is right, cycle pro. Did you buy them with those decals or did you add them later?
oh that Mr. Bastian, there he goes again!!!
I purchased the bike new. The decals were never added. It was sold to me as a race inc.
The bike is aluminum and has a "RA" serial number.
[ March 21, 2005, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: sirshredzalot ]
[ March 21, 2005, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: sirshredzalot ]
No doubt it was sold to you as a race inc but it isnt. Race Inc made pretty much ALL the aluminum frames in the 70s - FMF, SE, Laguna, and your cycle pro as well as some others.
Use the search feature on this website and look at all the confusion others have had with race inc made frames in the past. You are not the first and certainly wont be the last.
Use the search feature on this website and look at all the confusion others have had with race inc made frames in the past. You are not the first and certainly wont be the last.
Well, there you go, it's a Cycle Pro. Hey, you don't even want that thing. I'll take it off your hands...hunnert bucks.
It is most certainly a Race inc. I contacted the owner of the shop where I purchased it and he stated that it was a race inc. limited.( the guy was a bigtime race inc. nut) He told me that the bike was made with that oval tube to get it out the door, and was said to be an " aero tube". I researched your site and several others and found this to be legitimate info. It's easy to see some people's intent.
Oh, man. Do you really think people are trying to rip you off by saying it's not a Race Inc. I, for one, was making a joke. Read the Cycle Pro Foiler thread on here and you'll see that these guys know what they're talking about. SE PK Rippers, Laguna, FMF, and Cycle Pro Foilers all came out of the Race Inc. Factory at one time. Is it conceivable that they put Race Inc stickers on the same frame w/an aero tube that they were putting Foiler stickers on the week before, and called it a "Race Inc. Limited"? Of course it's conceivable man--they shipped looptail PK Rippers to England with Race Inc stickers on them. Those guys were shady.
As far as I'm concerned, the Foiler is more rare than a Race Inc, plus my old school friend rode one, so they're more desirable. Does this mean I was really trying to scam your bike off you? Lighten up, man. Get real.
You need to check yourself and read some of the threads on here--about Foilers, Race Incs, and Race Inc-stickered PK Rippers, for instance--before you start questioning people's knowledge. Bob Osborn, Stu Thomsen, Jeff Utterback, Scot Breithaupt, Greg Hill...all those guys (and more) are members here. What there is to be known about BMX is known here.
And you might want to look at the joking we do, too. We're always offering a hundred bucks for someone's Hutch Pro Star... That's why I put the smiley face, bro--for those who are too thick to get a joke.
I don't want to flame the new guy, but it ****es me off to have my integrity impugned.
As far as I'm concerned, the Foiler is more rare than a Race Inc, plus my old school friend rode one, so they're more desirable. Does this mean I was really trying to scam your bike off you? Lighten up, man. Get real.
You need to check yourself and read some of the threads on here--about Foilers, Race Incs, and Race Inc-stickered PK Rippers, for instance--before you start questioning people's knowledge. Bob Osborn, Stu Thomsen, Jeff Utterback, Scot Breithaupt, Greg Hill...all those guys (and more) are members here. What there is to be known about BMX is known here.
And you might want to look at the joking we do, too. We're always offering a hundred bucks for someone's Hutch Pro Star... That's why I put the smiley face, bro--for those who are too thick to get a joke.
I don't want to flame the new guy, but it ****es me off to have my integrity impugned.
guys, if it has an RA serial number it's a Race Inc. it might be a bastardized Cycle Pro out of Bastian's shop, but it WAS built, serial'ed, stickered, and sold as a Race Inc. Bastian likely, as he regularly did, ran out of Race Inc top tubing and grabbed a pile of Cycle Pro top tubing to finish up and deliver an order on time. there are many examples of this shoddy business practice of his, covering a whole range of framesets. Frankenstein & Bastian were simpatico.
this is NOT the same situation as when Bastian sold a run of PKs with Race Inc stickers. those framesets had PK serial numbers and were built as PKs.
[ March 21, 2005, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
this is NOT the same situation as when Bastian sold a run of PKs with Race Inc stickers. those framesets had PK serial numbers and were built as PKs.
[ March 21, 2005, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: TIM ]
I've read the posts and it seems like Race Inc. Is a nightmare!!! This thing is going to go bye-bye. In my research, I came across a beautiful hutch pro racer that needs a new home. I have to thank you guys; if I hadn't done the research, I never would have found the bike.
Hutches are dope...at the same time, if Tim says an RA serial # means a Race Inc, then maybe it's a rare jewel, you know. Personally, I think the oval tubing is pretty neat.
[I want to edit this to say: I think the oval tubing is pretty neat...AND YOU SHOULD KEEP IT. I'm *still* not trying to scam you out of your bike! ]
[ March 21, 2005, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: Gooser ]
[I want to edit this to say: I think the oval tubing is pretty neat...AND YOU SHOULD KEEP IT. I'm *still* not trying to scam you out of your bike! ]
[ March 21, 2005, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: Gooser ]
It's all good man!!! I wasn't trying to be a B*#tch.
Great looking bike. I'd keep it unless you need the money.
Jeffrey
Jeffrey
The wife won the battle. It's up for sale in the forum's classifieds
They always win the battle, don't they?
This entire thread sounds sketchy. Proceed with caution.
[ March 21, 2005, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: Dave Muggleston ]
[ March 21, 2005, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: Dave Muggleston ]
Check the drop outs. That's not a Foiler. Good call Tim.
DAN
DAN
tip jar's on the counter....
Sketchy???? I know that the internet is a good place to get burned, but that is not the deal. I just don't want to ***** it out on evilbay to some punk that won't take care of it.
Hey sirshreszalot, you could always trade it. That would show your wife a thing or to.
The barter system is a great thing.
You looking for anything in particular or just a Hutch.
The barter system is a great thing.
You looking for anything in particular or just a Hutch.
Actually, I just picked up the hutch today. And as for Dave's sketchy comment, here is the bike with dave's post taped to it. I am glad that I didn't have it boxed up yet. Thanks to everybody that has been cool!! This is a cool forum and I hope to be a part of it!!
Actually, I just picked up the hutch today. And as for Dave's sketchy comment, here is the bike with dave's post taped to it. I am glad that I didn't have it boxed up yet. Thanks to everybody that has been cool!! This is a cool forum and I hope to be a part of it!!
nice bike the ride is clean ..
Very unique bike - I wouldn't part with it.
Dudes....everything is not so cut and dry with this stuff!!! Many companies sourced different builders for their frames, hence slight production variances.
Bill Bastian and Voris Dixon were building frames for other companies and also marketing their own frames. Hence the similarities, in many different brand frames. If you don't think some of the Race Inc. or VDC's "borrowed" some of the other customers specialized parts when they ran short on material for their frames....you gotta be nuts! You can't stop production...gotta find some way to get the product done!!!!
These 2 builders had to make sure thay always had enough raw material on hand for their outside customers, because they wanted their product to spec.
Bill Bastian and Voris Dixon were building frames for other companies and also marketing their own frames. Hence the similarities, in many different brand frames. If you don't think some of the Race Inc. or VDC's "borrowed" some of the other customers specialized parts when they ran short on material for their frames....you gotta be nuts! You can't stop production...gotta find some way to get the product done!!!!
These 2 builders had to make sure thay always had enough raw material on hand for their outside customers, because they wanted their product to spec.
I just read this whole post thinking this just happened. i even went to the for sale section to try and buy it. Then I just noticed this thread is from a freakin year ago and bwl007 and Greg Hanna posted on it and it came back to the top of the list. Ow well, I bought one identical to this (Race Inc RA7 with Cycle Pro Foiler top tube) this week that is identical to this (frame and fork in blue with original paint and decals and a RA serial number) and am patiently waiting its arrival. Hell, mine is comimg from Colorado too. Maybe I was all in a tizzy to buy this and I already own it. What are the chances??
[ January 13, 2006, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: BRIAN HAYS ]
[ January 13, 2006, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: BRIAN HAYS ]
well, unbelievably enough, this is the same bike I already own. I'm working a deal to get most of the original parts back too. Unbelievable. Thanks to D.T.L. FlyKuwa for bumping this thread back to the top. I've also had great dealings with D.T.L also now that I think about it. THIS PLACE IS GREAT!!!
Hey Brian, Only you would try to buy a Frame you already own!!!!!!!!
[ January 15, 2006, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: SE Mark ]
[ January 15, 2006, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: SE Mark ]
Yeah I ran a small BMX company in the late 90s. I had an investor so I ordered a batch of bikes. But when they were done (2 months past due) the investor had changed his mind so I had to scramble.
My partner and I put up the money for half the bikes (was the best we could on short notice). We told the frame builder we would be back in 30 days to pick up and pay for the other half.
30 days later we go back and he sold half of the remaining bikes with his stickers on them to Australia. Then when we went out of business, he just started making them under his own label.
The jerks out of business now.
My partner and I put up the money for half the bikes (was the best we could on short notice). We told the frame builder we would be back in 30 days to pick up and pay for the other half.
30 days later we go back and he sold half of the remaining bikes with his stickers on them to Australia. Then when we went out of business, he just started making them under his own label.
The jerks out of business now.
quote:That is so funny, and so true of Brian. But wait, I'm confused...did the complete bike get sold to someone else in Colorado before Brian recently bought the f/f of the bay? And just to make it more confusing there is a very similar (rare) frame in circulation around the same time but with Cycle Pro Foiler decals on it.
Hey Brian, Only you would try to buy a Frame you already own!!!!!!!!
Geesh, How boring would life be without my two closest "BMX Internet" freinds poking fun at me (SE Mark and johnson99)?
Here's what i now know about this whole situation thanks to fellow Vintage member Tanker Kranker who has been a HUGE help and savior in this whole confusing thing.
I saw this thread a couple of weeks ago because it had been bumped up to the front of the new threads because someone posted on it. I read the whole thread assuming it all just happened since it was at the front of the list. I then realized after seeing that the owner of this bike said it was in the for sale section, and I couldn't find it there, that the thread was a year old but someone had dug it up and posted on it. I felt pretty dumb at that point and said so in a post here. By a stroke of dumb luck. I had actually bought this frame a couple of days before from Coloradogirl0 on ebay. What started as a trade turned into me just buying the frame in the pics at the beginning of this post with a set on matching Race Inc forks instead of the Mongoose forks on it in the pics. I knew Pat (Coloradogirl0) lived in Colorado (go figure) and then realized the original owner of this bike in this thread was from Colorado too. It was at that point I realized this all might be the same bike. I posed that question and as luck would have it, i got a PM from Tanker Kranker saying it was indeed the same frame as in the pics and he knew all about it if I was interested. Turns out that he had bought the complete bike from the guy who claimed to be the original owner locally in Colorado about four months ago. It's not clear to him if this guy actually was the original owner but claimed to be. Tanker Kranker disassembled the bike, added the correct forks and was gonna reassemble it but ended up trading the frame and forks to Coloradogirl for an OM Flyer frame. I then bought it from Coloradogirl. Tanker Kranker still had everything for the bike except the brake,cranks and pedals. He and I did some trading and that stuff is on the way to me now. I recieved the frame and forks last night and it is unbelievable shape. I'm gonna put it back to its original condition and add it to my collection.
As for the all original Foiler on ebay, I would have liked to own it too but money only goes so far
I guess you can't buy/own them all
[ January 19, 2006, 10:52 AM: Message edited by: BRIAN HAYS ]
Here's what i now know about this whole situation thanks to fellow Vintage member Tanker Kranker who has been a HUGE help and savior in this whole confusing thing.
I saw this thread a couple of weeks ago because it had been bumped up to the front of the new threads because someone posted on it. I read the whole thread assuming it all just happened since it was at the front of the list. I then realized after seeing that the owner of this bike said it was in the for sale section, and I couldn't find it there, that the thread was a year old but someone had dug it up and posted on it. I felt pretty dumb at that point and said so in a post here. By a stroke of dumb luck. I had actually bought this frame a couple of days before from Coloradogirl0 on ebay. What started as a trade turned into me just buying the frame in the pics at the beginning of this post with a set on matching Race Inc forks instead of the Mongoose forks on it in the pics. I knew Pat (Coloradogirl0) lived in Colorado (go figure) and then realized the original owner of this bike in this thread was from Colorado too. It was at that point I realized this all might be the same bike. I posed that question and as luck would have it, i got a PM from Tanker Kranker saying it was indeed the same frame as in the pics and he knew all about it if I was interested. Turns out that he had bought the complete bike from the guy who claimed to be the original owner locally in Colorado about four months ago. It's not clear to him if this guy actually was the original owner but claimed to be. Tanker Kranker disassembled the bike, added the correct forks and was gonna reassemble it but ended up trading the frame and forks to Coloradogirl for an OM Flyer frame. I then bought it from Coloradogirl. Tanker Kranker still had everything for the bike except the brake,cranks and pedals. He and I did some trading and that stuff is on the way to me now. I recieved the frame and forks last night and it is unbelievable shape. I'm gonna put it back to its original condition and add it to my collection.
As for the all original Foiler on ebay, I would have liked to own it too but money only goes so far
I guess you can't buy/own them all
[ January 19, 2006, 10:52 AM: Message edited by: BRIAN HAYS ]
Wow... thanks for clearing that up. Good story.
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