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Check out the new 2013 Phoenix Raptor frame., And some clips of the factory team in reno.
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post Jan 19 2013, 07:18 PM
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I believe JRich's last bike from Simple had disc brakes too....
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post Jan 19 2013, 07:33 PM
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Nothing against Phoenix, but there is just something seriously UNattractive about curved top tubes and/or down tubes. Doesn't look good, serves no structural purpose, and adds weight. Disc brakes? Not necessary in BMX. Just my opinion, I know...
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post Jan 20 2013, 07:27 AM
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QUOTE (Code4130 @ Jan 19 2013, 06:42 PM) *
I gotta side with DJBBMX the current model is totally a Gimmick frame, in design. It might ride good but thats a geometry not the weird seat tube idea they have. Over the years tons of Gimmick companys have come and gone, thats the way BMX is. People part with their hard earned money for some flashy new trend or fad. We all have done that at least once.


yeah, that was me with the CW "Z" frame in the 80s. Looked cool, but rode like crap.
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post Jan 20 2013, 08:06 AM
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I'm pretty sure disc brakes are used on mtb because of downhill descents & used in touring for all weather conditions. Most road bikes do not have them because the stopping power is to great for the tire size and really isn't needed for the riding conditions I would have to say that would go the same for bmx, and oh yea whats the purpose of adding rotational to your $600 wheelset that you worked so hard to make light weight...
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:42 AM
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I'm a very conservitive person so the Phoenix style is not for me. After seeing a few show up at the track I have to say I love the craftsmanship on these bikes. They are a work of art. As far as disk brakes, believe it or not, progress happens. They do work better. Disc brakes may become the standard in BMX.
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post Jan 20 2013, 08:29 PM
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with the Phoenix Talon frame having a removable dropout, can't the disc brake setup be kind of a 'drop in' upgrade. I suppose the frame will still have the spot for the standard v-brakes though.

I would say that this frame is pretty far from a gimmick, or call it what you will, the guys who I know (there are a lot around here) who are riding one say hands down it's the best frame they've been on.. and they are no slouches either.
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:49 PM
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[quote name='sanjosebmx' date='Jan 21 2013, 02:29 AM' post='1199384']
with the Phoenix Talon frame having a removable dropout, can't the disc brake setup be kind of a 'drop in' upgrade. I suppose the frame will still have the spot for the standard v-brakes though.

I would say that this frame is pretty far from a gimmick, or call it what you will, the guys who I know (there are a lot around here) who are riding one say hands down it's the best frame they've been on.. and they are no slouches either.
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The one with no Brake Bosses is a one off proto type.The dropouts can be put on any phoenix frame and can be converted to Disk.
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post Jan 20 2013, 11:03 PM
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I might look into disc brakes.. I can NOT stand working on V brakes. they just drive me bonkers. then again.. so might disc brakes... bring back the MX1000
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post Jan 21 2013, 07:08 AM
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I think v-brakes are the easiest of all brakes to get dialled. Good disc brakes are easy too but cheap ones can be a real pain.
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post Jan 21 2013, 01:53 PM
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Disc brakes do offer superior stopping power. As long as the weight isn't an issue I see no real issue w/ having the ability to stop better, even if it isn't necessary in most BMX races.

Great video by the way.
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